Sean Bean heads cast for HBO's A Game of Thrones


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D'oh!

So many videos your face will melt off.

My favourite one is Tyrion Lannister's. He utterly inhabits the role, nailing Tyrion's odd feeling of fellowship with Jon, his delight in needling Theon, his genuine love for Jaime, his hatred of Cersei and his need to prove his innocence to Catelyn and clear his name. But it's the final bit which is awesome: "Close the door!"

The Ned Stark one is also great, especially Aidan Gillen channelling Carcetti as Littlefinger: "The Crown is six million in debt!" I half-expected him to explain how he'd have to reduce the education budget in East Baltimore as a result :)

The Khal Drogo one is also amusing, if just for Jason Momoa's description of the character as "The top pimp." The Viserys one is also splendid, showing Harry Lloyd doing that crazy mental eye-work he first picked up on DOCTOR WHO in 'Human Nature'.

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One more month.


Charles Dance as Tywin Lannister

:)

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Werthead wrote:

Charles Dance as Tywin Lannister

:)

Ee is perfect for zee part, no?


Jason Nelson wrote:
Werthead wrote:

Charles Dance as Tywin Lannister

:)

Ee is perfect for zee part, no?

My dear brother Numpsie!!

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Just found out HBO will be showing the first 15 minutes of the first episode on April 3rd at 9 PM.

http://www.fancast.com/blogs/2011/hbo/hbo-to-air-first-15-minutes-of-game-o f-thrones-early/

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For those Fans who live in New York and LA.


A major and very positive review from THE HOLLYWOOD REPORTER. As one of the two major US entertainment trade papers, this is a pretty big deal:

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Barely a few minutes into HBO’s epic Game of Thrones series, it’s clear that the hype was right and the wait was worth it.

It’s difficult to single out the most accomplished parts of Thrones. The ambition is immense, the fantasy world exceptionally well-conceived, the writing and acting elevating the entire series beyond contemporaries like The Borgias and Camelot, and the visual appeal continues to surprise with each episode.

Testify!

And remember that a 15-minute preview of the first episode is airing on HBO tonight.

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So what did everyone think from the 15 minute preview. I think its going to be really good and they are following the book pretty close.

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preview was great; it seems that they are not going for "flashy" but rather sticking with "depth" and a care to transpose the morals of GoT in screen form... nice.


I liked it, and didn't want it to stop at the 15 minute mark. I was hoping they would go a little farther in the story in that 15 minutes.

Spoiler:
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I agree, Tangible. I also agree that they are not going for flashy. I noticed a few details from the books. They are taking care and doing this right. I just hope that the show will be a hit so they do more then the first book.


A review by Televisionary, a somewhat hard-headed and unsentimental American TV blogger (and one of the vanishing few who got to see the original pilot last year) who normally doesn't gush, but GoT made him gush hard:

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I'm anxious to watch them again and again, to fall once more under their spell, to get caught up in the deft plotting and lose myself in the staggering and beautifully realized world that the production team has brought to life. This is the type of series that comes around but once in a lifetime, a groundbreaking and absorbing drama that is utterly unlike anything else on television today.

Miss this impressive and stirring drama at your own peril.


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Werthead wrote:
(and one of the vanishing few who got to see the original pilot last year)

What, are you implying that HBO is sending assassins after that group, to pick them off, one-by-one? :p


magnuskn wrote:
Werthead wrote:
(and one of the vanishing few who got to see the original pilot last year)
What, are you implying that HBO is sending assassins after that group, to pick them off, one-by-one? :p

No, the pilot was for internal consumption only. Only a couple of people outside of HBO ever saw it. :-)

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Just saw the first two episodes earlier tonight!

Very much enjoyed what I saw, I believe the people behind the adaptation are keeping true to R. R. Martins work and over all vision. I've tried to keep away from most of the previews and was not even sure who was cast in some of the roles but I counted seven actors I have liked previously and now count two new actors I will keep an eye out for.

You guys are in for a treat. Can't wait to re-watch it when it airs on HBO.

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I was at the HBO store in NYC other day. Very impressed with the costumes and props. I was talking with one of the workers who has seen more and he said if you like the books you will be very happy with the show. He also said tha HBO is pretty close to renewing. :)

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CapeCodRPGer wrote:
He also said tha HBO is pretty close to renewing. :)

The HBO VP I spoke to quietly said it was preety much done. They just needed to agree on "availability" and "the money".

From what little I know about business, when "the money" is made available, everyone else has loses any "availability" issues they may have.

CapeCod, if your in New York anytime this week let me get you a drink.

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Interesting news, BAH. I'm getting to see the first two episodes at a BAFTA event in London on Friday with a Q&A with some the actors. Should be interesting.

What will be more intriguing about the Season 2 renewal is how many episodes they get. Taking the books literally, Season 2 would maybe need 11 episodes but Season 3 would need maybe as much as 15. So the logical thing to do would be to bring some of Book 3's opening material forward into the end of Season 2 and make both S2 and S3 12-13 episodes long each. The other alternative - split Season 3 into two slightly shorter seasons - seems less viable because of the problem of the kids growing up.

Anyway, one last trailer before the series begins :)


My take on the first two episodes:

Last night I attended the premiere of Game of Thrones at BAFTA's HQ in London. Twelve years after reading the first book, sitting down to watch the first two episodes on a huge cinema screen with the actors playing Robert Baratheon, Benjen Stark, Theon Greyjoy and Viserys Targaryen sitting two rows in front of me was a surreal - but cool - experience.

Things got off to a slightly amusing start when the rep for Sky Atlantic (the new home of HBO in the UK) came out and gave a marketing spiel about the show and the channel. His statement that, "Sky Atlanic is free for all existing Sky customers," isn't completely accurate, as a commentator in the audience couldn't help pointing out: "Until August!" Once the introduction was over the traditional HBO logo came up and the first episode, Winter is Coming, began.

Generally speaking, I was impressed. The opening title sequence is gorgeous, a work of art in its own right. Basically it's a map of Westeros assembled out of blocks, like a high-resolution version of MINECRAFT, and as the camera pans to each city or castle the buildings rise up out of the map, spinning around like cogs and gears. The sequence changes every episode as well: Episode 1 focuses on King's Landing, Winterfell, the Wall and sweeps across the Narrow Sea to Pentos. Episode 2 drops Pentos and moves much further east to Vaes Dothrak. People who've seen the first six episodes confirm this continues: later episodes bring in the Eyrie, for example, and I hear that the Twins will also appear before the end of the season. The series logo appears over a seal made up of four of the sigils of the Great Houses: Stark, Baratheon, Lannister and Arryn (slightly odd choice that last one, but I suppose a falcon's head looks better than the jumping fish of Tully), whilst each actor's name is accompanied by the sigil of the house he or she belongs to.

The acting is excellent throughout. Sean Bean adds a dash of humour and warmth to differentiate Eddard from Boromir: Eddard is a much more rounded and complex character and Bean brings a solid maturity and experience to the role. However, whilst Bean has been focused on a lot, this is an ensemble show and it's surprising how long he goes without appearing (particularly in the second episode). Michelle Fairley is also excellent as his wife Catelyn, though the script has deviated from the books in softening her hard-edged political acumen to make her more sympathetic. Possibly a mistake, as it makes a decision she makes in the second episode slightly less plausible. Kit Harington is a serious but sympathetic Jon Snow, whilst Richard Madden makes the most with limited material as Robb Stark (expect him to come into his own later in the season). Sophie Turner puts in a good performance as the (at this point) air-headed Sansa, but the character suffers from losing a couple of character-establishing scenes from the book. Maisie Williams and Isaac Hempstead-Wright are both outstanding, bringing maturity and acting skills way beyond their years to make Arya and Bran compelling characters. Hempstead-Wright will break your heart in one pivotal scene in the first episode. Joseph Mawle makes the most of his short appearance as Benjen Stark, bringing 150% to the role. I remember that when he showed up in Season 2 of MERLIN he seemed to be in a different show to everyone else, with a notable focus and intensity that seemed a bit out of keeping with the camp elsewhere in the show. He's more at home here on THRONES.

In the Lannister camp, Lena Headey brings a steely cold reserve to Cersei in public, but her private scenes with her children or with her brother show flashes of warmth and humour. She has an absolutely outstanding scene in the second episode with Fairley where Cersei and Cat have a moment of common bonding as mothers. Nikolaj Coster-Waldau pretty much nails Jaime Lannister: the brash arrogance, the flamboyant disdain for others and a hint of cruel humour in his dealings with others. However, he becomes more sympathetic in his dealings with Tyrion, letting the mask slip a bit. Of course, Peter Dinklage is every bit as good as Tyrion as anyone was expecting: sardonic, witty, funny but also on occasion furious and hinting at his loneliness. His exchanges with Jon Snow are particularly good. Tyrion also has a highly memorable first scene. Jack Gleeson is effectively tosserish as Prince Joffrey, bringing a cruel streak to the role that makes you want to punch him before he even says anything. Rory McCann is much quieter and more reserved than in the books, which is a different approach though it is still hinted that he is dangerous. Mark Addy is also great as King Robert, Henry VIII as played by Brian Blessed only not quite so loud and OTT. A terrific, charismatic performance.

Across the Narrow Sea Harry Lloyd brings his eye-rolling dementedness from DOCTOR WHO (he played one of the aliens in the HUMAN NATURE two-parter) but dials it down a notch as Viserys. He's as cruel, capricious and Caligula-like as in the books, but also gets across his anger at having his throne stolen from him, as well as brieft bursts of good humour. Viserys is a more nuanced character on-screen than in the books (the only character who is improved from the novels so far). Emilia Clarke is quiet and reserved as Daenerys, as Dany herself is at this stage, but shows signs of steel and intelligence. The two episodes don't really give Dany much to do apart from hanging around naked for long periods (though Dany's first scene of the season cleverly foreshadows the last). The same is true of Jason Momoa as Khal Drogo: he's a bit of a blank slate so far. Later episodes should give him more to do. Iain Glen brings gravitas and presence to the situation as Ser Jorah, and one exchange between him and Lloyd is terrific as Glen is able to transmit a lot of what he's feeling without resorting to eye-rolling or obvious signs of bemused disgust. Unfortunately, Roger Allam, a very fine actor, seems a bit out-of-sorts as Illyrio. He does an okay job, but he has a couple of iffy moments (possibly down to his exposition-heavy dialogue).

Unfortunately, if THRONES stumbles somewhere, it's with the Dothraki scenes in the east. Whilst Lloyd and Glen get everyone to raise their game, there's still a whiff of corncheese to the Dothraki and Dany learning the 'womanly arts' from a bed slave (played by Roxanne McKee from HOLLYOAKS). Some pretty awful sex scenes push it towards TRUE BLOOD territory, not helped by the ambiguity of the Drogo-Dany relationship not being handled as sensitively as in the book, leading to some uncomfortable moments.

Taken as a whole the series gets off to a good start: exposition is balanced against drama, dialogue is pretty good and performances are strong. According to my girlfriend, it's also well-balanced for newcomers who haven't read the books, though there are a couple of moments of confusion (for example, the Mad King is referenced but I don't think named, leading to confusion between him and his son Rhaegar; both being dead when the story begins and not appearing in flashback adds to the confusion) due to this desire to reign in the exposition but also having to provide information. The effects - what there are so far - are also great, though outside of the main title the music is a bit forgettable. Possibly a bigger problem is that whilst Episode 1 works really well, Episode 2 feels less strong, possibly because everyone is journeying from Point A to Point B and it's all a bit transitory. Once Eddard is established in King's Landing and Dany in Vaes Dothrak (their bases for much of the rest of the series) that should be less of an issue.

Overall, it's good. Not outstandingly brilliant from the off, but some excellent moments and assured performances overcome the problems. It's interesting to reflect that by the end of Episode 2 many of the book's more iconic characters (Barristan Selmy, Littlefinger, Varys, Alliser Thorne, Samwell Tarly etc) haven't even shown up yet, so there's plenty left to look forward to.


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Can't wait! :)

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So what everyone think? I loved it but I thought the first encounter with Daneriys and Khal should have been more like the book. The way they showed it was too forceful, IMO.


Really enjoyed it. Watching the encore now.

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CapeCodRPGer wrote:
So what everyone think? I loved it but I thought the first encounter with Daneriys and Khal should have been more like the book. The way they showed it was too forceful, IMO.

I think it should have been a 2 hour premiere...;)


Dragnmoon wrote:
CapeCodRPGer wrote:
So what everyone think? I loved it but I thought the first encounter with Daneriys and Khal should have been more like the book. The way they showed it was too forceful, IMO.
I think it should have been a 2 hour premiere...;)

Though that was a damn good place to end it.


Dragnmoon wrote:
CapeCodRPGer wrote:
So what everyone think? I loved it but I thought the first encounter with Daneriys and Khal should have been more like the book. The way they showed it was too forceful, IMO.
I think it should have been a 2 hour premiere...;)

Yeah as shown Drogo seems a bit of a beast. It's a shame they didn't show how caring he actually is.

GREAT show though. Can't wait for the next episode!


I'm sure Drogo will warm up to Dany. You can tell the Dothraki are not exactly the sensitive type by the wedding ceremony. She'll bring him around. I thought that was very well done. Maybe illustrate the changes they will both have on each other with Dany being bullied by Viserys and constantly crying and being scared. We all know how she ends up.

Great production! Love Ned's closeup when Cat receives the note from her sister. You can tell he is thinking: What the hell have I got myself into?


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Never read the books, but watched the premier last night. Very entertaining. I guess I'll have to keep HBO for a bit longer.

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I was a little worried that the premiere episode was not gripping enough for the casual American audience... and

Don't read the spoiler if you have not read the books, because it is a big one.

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I am worried with Eddard Stark's death and the end of the season and losing Sean Bean will be a hit on the show and could lose audience because the casual American audience by then will have such an investment into that character, and the show will lose such a great actor for this show. I kind of wish he was playing a different part in the show, though I am not sure what other part he would fit, as well as he fits Eddard


Dragnmoon wrote:

I was a little worried that the premiere episode was not gripping enough for the casual American audience... and

Don't read the spoiler if you have not read the books, because it is a big one.

** spoiler omitted **

You might be right...though I think it might not happen. I would go more into it once I figure out how do spoilers again...

Might I greatly enjoyed the show last night. I think the Cable seris(GoT, Camelot, Borgias(sp?), Ture Blood, etc) are where all the intelligences and stuff went when it left Hollywood.


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SO, when do you think this will be on Hulu?

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Kryzbyn wrote:

SO, when do you think this will be on Hulu?

Never. HBO doesn't put any of their shows on Hulu, and only puts shows up on iTunes store when the DVD sets come out (and usually later than that).


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Robert Little wrote:
Kryzbyn wrote:

SO, when do you think this will be on Hulu?

Never. HBO doesn't put any of their shows on Hulu, and only puts shows up on iTunes store when the DVD sets come out (and usually later than that).

Well that sux. I'll wait fer iTunes then.

I saw the 15 minute intro movie and it looked great. I've never read these books, however.


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So what everyone think? I loved it but I thought the first encounter with Daneriys and Khal should have been more like the book. The way they showed it was too forceful, IMO.

The Daenerys-Drogo relationship causes more controversy than anything else in the books by far (in the sense that it generates pretty heated opinions on both sides; other topics and theories are discussed more often, but this one impacts more on real life issues), so I wasn't surprised they looked at the situation differently for the TV series.

The complaint in the books is that, by having Dany actually being attracted to Drogo and consenting to the sex, GRRM actually backpedalled on the realism and made a difficult situation 'easier' to accept. That's not to say that Martin intended the relationship to be acceptable, and certainly the raising of certain questions about changing sexual mores and the age of consent in a medieval society versus a modern one was deliberate. But he made the pill easier to swallow by saying that Dany actually got into it. HBO have actually gone more hardcore than Martin by saying that no, Dany wasn't attracted to Drogo and was scared and this was pretty much an awful situation by any standards.

The problem, however, is that (minor spoilers from Episode 2 and the books):

Spoiler:
In Episode 2 Dany reverts to how she is in the books: she seeks advice from Doreah on how to please Drogo, and seems more into him. If they'd played it that she wanted to take control of the situation for her own benefit that would have worked, but instead it feels too much of an abrupt about-turn from her position in Episode 1. Having said that, some of the non-book-readers I saw the episodes with did actually read it this way (that Dany's making the best of a bad situation), so maybe that's a subjective thing.


I'm really torn on this one. I will give them credit, I'm not torn because they completely changed things left and right, is more a matter of subtle changes that I think do shift the tone of several scenes from how they occurred in the book.

My first thought is that there are a few scenes where they revealed a bit more information ahead of time than in the book, almost as if they have to let the audience know something will be important, but it makes the more subtle building of the background threads less . . . well . . . subtle.

Spoiler:
Mainly regarding the Others and the deserter. In the book it was obvious that that scene was important, but it worked better to almost let people forget about them while the political intrigue ramped up. Plus, I think I would have been happier with the wight being a bit more of a surprise later on.

It could just be me, as well, but I almost felt like, in the short time he was on screen, Theon was kind of hammered home as a jerk. Maybe I didn't read the original scene in the book the way it was intended, but I felt that Theon's more negative traits were a bit more subtly introduced in the book.

I also felt like the early scene of Jaime and Cersei was a bit of an issue to me. It felt as if:

Spoiler:
They intentionally added more fuel to the flames to make it look like the Lannisters had killed Jon Arryn in case everyone assuming that later in the story wasn't enough of a red herring.

Another place that a very slight change made me feel as if the whole scene had changed was the meeting between Tyrion and Jon Snow. The scene seemed to make Catelyn more, well, petty, since she didn't just not sit Jon with the family, but didn't allow him at the feast. The meeting between Tyrion and Jon, already coming off of this negativity, felt a lot more antagonistic than I read it in the book. In the book, I felt like Jon was someone that desperately wanted to prove himself, but here, he just feels like an angry young man. I felt it lost a little depth.

I am glad that there did seem to be some genuine warmth between Ned and Cat in the scene where she receives the note from her sister. I'd probably be nit picking to say that I kind of missed the almost desperate hope that Cat had of trying to conceive another child, since that ship kind of sailed when the ages of some of the characters were revised, but I actually think that scene and how it softened her was a nice balance to her more political minded thoughts later in the scene, in the book.

Cat is coming off more overall matronly here than the wife of a great house, daughter of a great house, and a mother.

Spoiler:
One of the tragedies of Cat in the books is that she has each of her "other" aspects stripped from her one by one until there is just revenge left in her heart. She looses Ned (wife), her father (daughter), and the last of her children that she knows the fate of (mother). Here, she is very much motherly over all so far.

While I can't say that Tyrion's scenes are out of character, again, I think that the order in which aspects of personality are introduce are important. I think Tyrion's wit and inquisitiveness really should have been established before his more lustful nature was explored. Maybe I'm a bit cynical, and I liked the show over all, but I wonder if Tyrion had to be introduced the way he was in order to get more "adult" scenes in the opening episode.

An odd juxtaposition in the Dothraki scene: Daenerys may have been portrayed as less willing in this portrayal, but it struck me that the treatment of the dancers was less brutal than in the books. The women seemed to know that the amorous activities of the riders was part of the entertainment in the show, but in the books, I got the feeling that they were basically just savaged. Its probably a finer hair to split than some of the scenes that haven't quite worked for me.

Overall, I felt really strange after watching this. It wasn't bad at all, and it didn't change the overall story that much, but for some reason, I felt like I had read the books all wrong and come to some of the wrong conclusions when I saw some of the subtle shifts in what was introduced when.

I'll be interested to see how this progresses, but some of the changes in tone, while fairly minor at the start, might actually really skew the trajectory of some characters later on. Then again, as Werthead mentioned above, it seems like some aspects of the story "revert" to the baseline, so perhaps these odd notes are just me getting used to a different medium for the story.


Hmph! I have no TV, but I want to watch this! Anyone know when hulu generally starts showing new shows?

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Tequila Sunrise wrote:
Hmph! I have no TV, but I want to watch this! Anyone know when hulu generally starts showing new shows?

Both Robert and I share the same view: HBO does not put their shows on Hulu. Home Box Office makes significant money from HBO on Demand as well as DVD series sales.

Trust me, I have seen all but one episode of Rome and I have had HBO on Demand since it first came out, its a pain to track down an internet copy.

I guess I could just buy the DVD set for Rome but whenever I loan my DVD collections out I never seem to get them back; where art thou Band of Brothers, Carnivàle, and season 3 of The Sopranos?


Sat and watched first episode last night with the missus, we both gave it a big thumbs up. Hope HBO stick with it, I might start the books again when (When!?) the new one comes out. The actors and director seem to have it nailed down pretty well, special effects aren't intrusive (I hate obvious CGI). Just worried about the news the Atlantic is only free till August. Boo!

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Woo Flaxman wrote:
I might start the books again when (When!?) the new one comes out.

July 12, 2011


baron arem heshvaun wrote:
Tequila Sunrise wrote:
Hmph! I have no TV, but I want to watch this! Anyone know when hulu generally starts showing new shows?
Both Robert and I share the same view: HBO does not put their shows on Hulu. Home Box Office makes significant money from HBO on Demand as well as DVD series sales.

That's a bummer! I guess I'll have to wait a year(ish) for Netflix to get it.


I watched it last night. It certainly has a lot of potential and I liked quite a few of the performances but I worry that it's not going to do very well in capturing the attention of a more general audience. There are a lot of us GRRM fans but not enough to justify HBO's expenses, I don't think.

I expected changes to be made to accomodate the story better for a visual medium but some of them I found rather disappointing. The most disappointing of these was the Dany/ Kal Drogo scene. We missed out on her trying out the horse and her reaction to that. And I think they made a misstep with having the sex scene between them so violent.

I never had a problem with that scene as it was originally written and I thought it was somewhat necessary to accomdate Dany's change in perspective. She's not supposed to be a victim to Drogo quite so much.

But oh well. It is what it is. As others have said, I really liked Arya and Tyrion as they were portrayed.


GAME OF THRONES renewed for a second season.

The first episode did the job. They now have two seasons to iron out the problems and get things ticking along more strongly.

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Werthead wrote:

GAME OF THRONES renewed for a second season.

The first episode did the job. They now have two seasons to iron out the problems and get things ticking along more strongly.

Well techniclly one season. I think all the episodes for the first season are done shooting.


Fun question: this may have been asked already but I didn't see it...
What core class would Eddard Stark be in Pathfinder? Jaime?


TheWarden89 wrote:

Fun question: this may have been asked already but I didn't see it...

What base class would Eddard Stark be in Pathfinder? Jaime?

I just started working up some GoT PF-interpretations since I just picked up Hero Lab (great product, btw!).

I worked up a Tyrion character as a straight-up rogue with the Rake archetype and thought he came out pretty well.

I worked up Jaime as a Cavalier and was pretty happy with the result, but it's been a while since I've read the books.

Eddard, hmm. If we're talking Pathfinder core, I'm thinking primarily Fighter. Perhaps a 1- or 2-level dip into something like Cavalier if we're talking PF Core. If we open it up to 3PPs, I'd probably go with Fighter + some War Master (Super Genius Games). The OGL Game of Thrones has him as a mix of Men-at-Arms (fighter)/Noble/Commander.

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CapeCodRPGer wrote:
Well techniclly one season. I think all the episodes for the first season are done shooting.

They are. Critics from major outlets received a promotion DVD with the first six episodes.


Tyrion most def. a rogue. I didn't read the books ever and am basically just new to the whole world but really enjoyed the first episode so... yeah. If there were any sort of morally questionable paladin class that seems to def. be Jaime's style.

Any trace of ranger in Stark in the books? He seems somewhat rugged/hunter-ish


Talk about stating the characters up should really be done in another thread. Perhaps in the Conversion forums?

Shoehorning fictional characters into a rules system not made for them is really off putting to some of us.


An old dragon mag did a 3.0 conversion of a lot of the conversions plus there was a d20 pho Game of Thrones. Interesting stuff.

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