Re arya:
there's a note at the start of the books that the events are not neccesarily occuring in the order that you see them. Arya has been training for X amount of time , and sailing for x amount of time, she didn't neccesarily start back to westerose the day before the battle of the bastards.
Also, its easier to get from bravosi to winterfel than from kings landing to winterfel. The narrow sea is a highway, not an obstacle course.
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I can't wait for the finale!
I don't want it to be over!
I hate having contradictory thoughts in my head.. i'm not used to it dammit.
Arya? Even with the jetpacks and teleportation that would be so utterly shark jumping dumb.
If Varys is off to find allies, he might go to Dorne, but if Tyrion ever finds out they killed Mycella he is going to want blood if he had a good relationship with her.(Just what did he think of her?)
The show seems pretty happy with handing teleporters off to folks, and we know SOMETHING goes down at the Freys, so it's either her or the BwB
Tyrion is aiding Dany in a hostile takeover of Westeros. He would have to be completely naive/stupid if he thought Cersei's kids would survive the conflict.
That is true, but I suspect he is going to be pissed anyway, we'll just have to wait to see if he does anything.
That is true, but I suspect he is going to be pissed anyway, we'll just have to wait to see if he does anything.
Marying danny to thommen would be the fastest takeover
Mmmm Manderly Home cookin
I am going to miss the actors for High Sparrow and Margy, they were great in their roles.
Well how long before Jamie recreates the Kingslaying?
I was surprised that there was no Wall scene with the WW hitting it. I think it would have made an excellent cliffhanger.
The Wolf crest is back in Winterfell!
Varys is the new king of teleporting. From Dorne to a ship in half an episode! Freaking amazing He'd make Goku proud!
Kinda disappointed in High Sparrow. I would think that he would consider soldiers attacking at least and have the Faith head out.
Kinda disappointed in High Sparrow. I would think that he would consider soldiers attacking at least and have the Faith head out.
he pretty much did do that, at least with enough soldiers to go fetch Cersei (and probably more than the last time they ran into Gegorstein)
Well it was more, 'Cersei isn't here? Go fetch her.' and when Marg gave her warning 'Hmm...we might get attacked. Move out of the Sept!"
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Bring a whole new meaning to the words King's Landing.
Varys is the new king of teleporting. From Dorne to a ship in half an episode! Freaking amazing He'd make Goku proud!
And he teleported a whole fleet of Martell and Tyrell ships with him!
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Varys moved around quite a bit, but I don't think we know enough to label it teleporting;
There are really only three 'time markers' in play here;
1: Varys leaves Mereen
2: Varys in Dorn after events of King's Landing shown in the episode
3: Varys on the ships leaving Mereen
In theory, the King's Landing events could even have been before Varys left Mereen. Even if we assume that events occured in the order shown... we have no idea how much time elapsed between the three events. It could have been months... without contradicting anything else shown.
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Well it was more, 'Cersei isn't here? Go fetch her.' and when Marg gave her warning 'Hmm...we might get attacked. Move out of the Sept!"
Since bombs that can blow up a building are pretty much unheard of in westeros, one would expect such an attack to come from lanister guardsmen outside with crossbows shooting in. The building is made of stone, so setting fire to it wouldn't be easy. If she's attacking staying inside and NOT running out into potential danger is a very reasonable move- more reasonable than running outside to be shot.
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Little Lady Mormont shaming a room full of grown men and reminding them of their oaths was pure awesomesauce. It was so much better than Smalljon Umber doing it in Season 1...because it came from her!
Also, Arya Stark pulling a Titus Andronicus move with Walder Frey? Priceless.
Indeed; I was a bit disappointed that season 2 missed Hot Weasel Soup, but all is forgiven.
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The defenestration of House Baratheon was a plot twist that I did not see coming. I mean, I knew the poor kid was gonna die at some point...but not like that.
Also, the Arya reveal was awesome. Unlike others in this thread I don't particularly care about the so called "teleportation" I'm a believer in J. Michael Straczynski's thoughts on velocity "everything moves at the speed of plot".
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The defenestration of House Baratheon was a plot twist that I did not see coming. I mean, I knew the poor kid was gonna die at some point...but not like that.
There's still Gendry, who'se 'still rowing,' apparently. Perhaps Dany's fleet will find him out there in the middle of the ocean?
Little Lady Mormont shaming a room full of grown men and reminding them of their oaths was pure awesomesauce. It was so much better than Smalljon Umber doing it in Season 1...because it came from her!
She's my new Arya. Just awesome!
With so many members of ruling families being somewhat deficient / degenerate in mind or morals (those from the Vale, the Boltons, the Freys, the Lannisters, the Tagaryans), it's refreshing to see someone who has some moral fortitude (even if she might be a touch naïve, in the same sort of way that got Ned Stark decapitated...).
Well if Varys is using a teleporter, then Dany is using MAACO to repaint her ships, redo the sails, and add golden dragons to the bows of all of her ships.
He had plenty of time to travel.
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Well if Varys is using a teleporter, then Dany is using MAACO to repaint her ships, redo the sails, and add golden dragons to the bows of all of her ships.
He had plenty of time to travel.
The lady with three fire breathing dragons said rush job. That means RUSH JOB.
So, I wonder if Arya is going to go down her list...
So, I wonder if Arya is going to go down her list...
Greggor Clega.. dammit
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This may sound a bit fanboyish, but I'm gonna give my opinion on last night's episode nonetheless.
The first 25 minutes, from the first chord of the tune that accompanied the erasure of House Baratheon until Lancel failed to blow out that candle, was one of the most intense, suspenseful pieces of television that I have ever seen. I knew what was happening, being fully up on Reddit spoilers, and that knowledge did nothing to keep me off the edge of my seat. When the scene eventually cuts back to KL, and King Tommen Baratheon, Last of His Name, gently puts down the crown before ending his arc, my wife, who I've kept out of the spoiler loop, was left bamboozled. Every note in the King's Landing plot last night hit perfectly, and although Cersei didn't blow up the entire city by accident, it was still one of the best things that the Show has put to film.
The rest of the episode was beautifully shot. The cuts in the first Winterfell segment actually stood out to me as visually good, particularly the Jon & Sansa watching Mel leave scene. I swear they had to have like 40 takes on that to get all the subtle camera angles without cameras being in every shot. The Godswood and the Night's Watch Godswood were both beautiful scenes, with the whiteout of winter painting the scene marvelously. Finally, the cut between the Tower of Joy's ending and the King in the North scene was so much better in execution than I was anticipating.
There were a few things I didn't like, particularly the Tower of Joy scene itself. It felt forced, and I didn't care for either Young Ned or Lyanna's portrayals. I mean the kids who offed Pycelle and Lancel had a stronger screen presence. And then *yawn* Meereen. I'm glad we're leaving The Bay of Dragons, presumably for good, and hopefully they can extract a bit more facial emotion from Clarke next season. Her lack of emotional acting this season, well really just the last few episodes, has been so apparent when sharing the scene with Renaissance Man The Dinkle. Stone Face is a good face when trick-f'ing the Khals, but her scene with Daario was almost as horrible to watch as her scene with Jorah earlier in the season. For the original breakout actress of the series, her struggle to emote in a meaningful way has done more to advance Turner and Williams' careers than their own acting.
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Jeezum Crow everyone, it's not 24, it just doesn't take place in real-time, that's all.
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Cersei just did what Jamie killed the mad king to stop from happening.
On top of that, Cersei will be killed by her vonqulor, which means little monster/little brother. She's always assumed that this is tryion.
She is however, about 5 minutes older than jamie. Making him a candidate, one that just got a lot more likely.
I fully expect Jaime to take her out in a murder-suicide situation, but I hope either Brom or Brienne talk him out of it.
Anything more with the Dany/Yara plot line last night?
Not really...
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So...
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Not to sound like a dingus, but I'm pretty sure the only place there even is a Dany/Yara plot line is in the beer-fueled, spoilered ramblings of my demented mind. :P
You guys think Dany's going to recognize the legitimacy of Sansa and Tyrion's marriage? 'Cause If I was Sansa I'd be all, "You now how much nicer to me Tyrion was on our wedding night than Ramsey? That's exactly how much more trustworthy he is than Littlefinger." And if I was Dany, I'd be all, "That's the King in the North, under my sovereignty just like the Iron Isles."
I don't think you're reading enough into it. My guess is that and more. And the real question is, though, how *dead* is frankengregor? Like *dead dead* or Benjen Dead?So...
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I'll say this: I'm completely certain he didn't go in there to read The Seven Pointed Star to/at her.
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Not to sound like a dingus, but I'm pretty sure the only place there even is a Dany/Yara plot line is in the beer-fueled, spoilered ramblings of my demented mind. :P
You guys think Dany's going to recognize the legitimacy of Sansa and Tyrion's marriage? 'Cause If I was Sansa I'd be all, "You now how much nicer to me Tyrion was on our wedding night than Ramsey? That's exactly how much more trustworthy he is than Littlefinger." And if I was Dany, I'd be all, "That's the King in the North, under my sovereignty just like the Iron Isles."
Both danny and tyrion are far more pragmatic than that. The north has chosen John Snow, trying to foster the patricidal devil imp that forced Sansa into marying him at crossbow point before her fathers head had finished rolling down the steps of the sept* isn't going to fly. The north is too big to conquer, even with three dragons.
Marying John snow may be a possibility. (even if she's his cousin?- Targaryn's do closer family ties) She already controls house lanister through tyrion, the martels through revenge, the dornish through revenge.. she really could send back for daario, cersei doesn't have anyone left. She may have to turn shame nun into an army of greggorsteins.
*little of this is true, but its close enough to be seen that way
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Not to sound like a dingus, but I'm pretty sure the only place there even is a Dany/Yara plot line is in the beer-fueled, spoilered ramblings of my demented mind. :P
You guys think Dany's going to recognize the legitimacy of Sansa and Tyrion's marriage? 'Cause If I was Sansa I'd be all, "You now how much nicer to me Tyrion was on our wedding night than Ramsey? That's exactly how much more trustworthy he is than Littlefinger." And if I was Dany, I'd be all, "That's the King in the North, under my sovereignty just like the Iron Isles."
Both danny and tyrion are far more pragmatic than that. The north has chosen John Snow, trying to foster the patricidal devil imp that forced Sansa into marying him at crossbow point before her fathers head had finished rolling down the steps of the sept* isn't going to fly. The north is too big to conquer, even with three dragons.
Marying John snow may be a possibility. (even if she's his cousin?- Targaryn's do closer family ties) She already controls house lanister through tyrion, the martels through revenge, the dornish through revenge.. she really could send back for daario, cersei doesn't have anyone left. She may have to turn shame nun into an army of greggorsteins.
*little of this is true, but its close enough to be seen that way
Little of that is true, but then, one of the things I enjoyed about Lady Crane's play was how the popular culture (or maybe just the playwright) had streamlined the actual events. Wait, Tyrion paid Ilyn Payne to behead Ned while Joffery tried to spare him? That's not the way I remember that episode!
I'm probably just being nostalgic for the time when Tyrion and Sansa were (sort of) happily married, but that only lasted maybe an episode and a half, and it was back when Sansa was still innocent enough that she didn't know the vulgar word for dung.
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I would love to see a betting pool of who gets to kill Cersei in season 7. The possibilities include the entire cast.
Jamie Lannister: Queen S/Layer
I know the events don't occur simultaneously or even necessarily in the order shown... I don't particulay care about the teleporter... I just find it funny.
When a character appears in completely different regions of the world with little to no indication that any time is past... It looks odd and funny. It's not a plot hole, but it's not great film-making either.
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In the books, Cersei is prophecised to die strangled by the "valonquar", but that part of thd prophecy didn't actually make it into the show... IIRC, here Maggy only reveals the parg about Cersei wedding a king and having 3 children who she'll see dying.
I still think Jaime is going to kill her, though... She was indirectly responsible for the deaths of nearly every dead Lannister, after all...
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How many great houses are left, BTW? Tyrells have no heir... Martells are all dead. Same goes for the Baratheons... Starks are on the brink of extinction, since (as far as everyone in Westeros knows) their only living male heir is a bastard). The Arrys have a sickly boy who probably won't see the end of winter... The Lannister have a kinslayer and a member of the kingsguard (who can't marry or have children). Even thr Targsryens have no male heir (as far as anyone knows).
I wonder what would happen if/when people learn of Jon's true parentage.
Westeros is running out of high lords. :P
Although, if Johns running the north nothing prevents sansa from taking little-finger up on his offer.
The Tyrels in the books had a younger son with a crippled leg that they were going to marry sansa off to, i vaguely recall him being mentioned on the show but I don't trust that memory.
Yeah, in the books, Loras has two older brothers... One of which is also in the King's guard... And seemingly much humbler and wiser than Loras (he's one of the few characters to recognize Tyrion's brilliance), and at least as good in combat.
In the show, Loras is the only male child, IIRC. That's why Oleanna backed down when Tywin threatened to constript Loras into the King's Guard.
Little Lady Mormont shaming a room full of grown men and reminding them of their oaths was pure awesomesauce. It was so much better than Smalljon Umber doing it in Season 1...because it came from her!
Lyanna:Not giving your loyalty to Jon? SHAME! SHAME!
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In the show...
The great houses in the show have 2 left with a presumed living named character make heir: Arryn and Lannister.
Tyrell: degenerates to cousins. The true line extinguished.
Martell: extinguished
Baratheon: extinguished
Stark: Bran won't ever lay claim and the heir (Rickon) just got an arrow. Sansa Lannister Bolton just lost her claim to a Snow.
Targaryen: Dany maintains a lady's claim by force of arms. Jon is not legitimate.
Now the Starks are kinda the Snowey Starks now and the Tyrells are still around through extended family, but that is four great houses (stark inclusive) that have been erased.
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Frey's line is cooked.
Although, if Johns running the north nothing prevents sansa from taking little-finger up on his offer.
I think if LF had cooled his heels a bit he might have done better. I thought he would have brought up the letter and the reward and ask for her hand in marriage, but he was like 'You, me, Iron Throne, now."