Sean Bean heads cast for HBO's A Game of Thrones


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I hope Dorne vanishes for a good long while now

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Every time this thread pops up again, I think, "Sean Bean hasn't been on the show forever!" Then I consider changing the title to "Sean Bean beheads cast for HBO's A Game of Thrones"

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I think this is the first time in the show there was a big continutiy screw up.

Last episode last season, all the sand snakes are on the dock watching the boat sail away. How did 2 of them get on the boat?

Scarab Sages

That and Melissandre has been shown without her choker (au naturale of course) multiple times in the past.


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Dorne was aggravating. at this point I really just want Ellaria and the Sand Snakes to try their badass fighting moves on Frankengregor Because that would be hillarious.

I was worried that they would drag out Sansa and Theon being hunted and Jon Snow's resurrection. So I am glad that at least the former was resolved by having Brienne come to save the day.

Sovereign Court

And Snow is dead. hurray.


MMCJawa wrote:

Dorne was aggravating. at this point I really just want Ellaria and the Sand Snakes to try their badass fighting moves on Frankengregor Because that would be hillarious.

I was worried that they would drag out Sansa and Theon being hunted and Jon Snow's resurrection. So I am glad that at least the former was resolved by having Brienne come to save the day.

Gwendolyn Christie has amazing athleticism. I love all the fight scenes they do with her.


Hama wrote:
And Snow is dead. hurray.

For now....


GregorSTEIN!. GregorSTEIN!

Scarab Sages

I'm just glad we didn't get a repeat of Theons previous escape.


MeanDM wrote:
MMCJawa wrote:

Dorne was aggravating. at this point I really just want Ellaria and the Sand Snakes to try their badass fighting moves on Frankengregor Because that would be hillarious.

I was worried that they would drag out Sansa and Theon being hunted and Jon Snow's resurrection. So I am glad that at least the former was resolved by having Brienne come to save the day.

Gwendolyn Christie has amazing athleticism. I love all the fight scenes they do with her.

I love how brutal they make the fights. Its not hong kong wirework its 300 pounds of steel plated muscle crashing into each other with all the finesse of a trainwreck.

Sovereign Court

What happened to the hounds in Sansa's rescue scene? They seemed to just disappear once the fighting started.


If I was a dog and I saw what happened to the horses, I'd run. Like a whipped hound, actually. :P

I just want to know what happens next week. I think Melisandre might just look like that when she's alone and relaxed.


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BigNorseWolf wrote:

GregorSTEIN!. GregorSTEIN!

Cleganebowl! Get hype!


CapeCodRPGer wrote:
Last episode last season, all the sand snakes are on the dock watching the boat sail away. How did 2 of them get on the boat?

Who do you think you saw on a boat? Ellaria and one of the snakes killed Prince Doran, while the other two killed Doran's son Trystane. This was all in Dorne.

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Damon Griffin wrote:
CapeCodRPGer wrote:
Last episode last season, all the sand snakes are on the dock watching the boat sail away. How did 2 of them get on the boat?
Who do you think you saw on a boat? Ellaria and one of the snakes killed Prince Doran, while the other two killed Doran's son Trystane. This was all in Dorne.

I thought Trystane went with Jamie and Marcillia?

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And the shot before the kill was the same bay shot of the boat as before Jamie came rowing in with marcellas corpse.


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Who do you think you saw on a boat? Ellaria and one of the snakes killed Prince Doran, while the other two killed Doran's son Trystane. This was all in Dorne.

Trystane was on the boat in King's Landing harbour. He was painting the eye stones for Myrcella's funeral. Then the Sand Snakes came on board and killed him, so they're all at King's Landing.

I assume the Sand Snakes got on a smaller boat and tailed them up the coast to King's Landing, but that seems a bit unconvincing.


The poor handling of the Dornish storyline has even made headlines. It's quite something when you have both the Hollywood Reporter and Vulture pointing out the storyline has gone off the rails.

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|They did say that they were going off the rails completely.


We don't know if its off the rails or just further down the track


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I thinks this is more going off the rails and screaming out of control into the side of a nuclear power plant. Which is being attacked by zombies.


Werthead wrote:
I thinks this is more going off the rails and screaming out of control into the side of a nuclear power plant. Which is being attacked by zombies.

I am oddly reminded of "Blood On the Coal", a parody of the country/folk ballad "Wreck of the Old 97". In the parody version, the train runs off its rails and into a working coal mine shaft.


Werthead wrote:
I thinks this is more going off the rails and screaming out of control into the side of a nuclear power plant. Which is being attacked by zombies.

More zombies. The zombie apocalypse was freaking awesome. More hardhome!


we just need the Snakes in King's Landing to strip down, grease up and start stabbing people. Maybe have a lesbian-incest angle where they end up straddling each other.


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MannyGoblin wrote:
we just need the Snakes in King's Landing to strip down, grease up and start stabbing people. Maybe have a lesbian-incest angle where they end up straddling each other.

Snakes on an Ilyn Payne?


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MannyGoblin wrote:
we just need the Snakes in King's Landing to strip down...

...revealing their carefully maintained King's Landing strips?


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TEN POINTS FROM GRYFFINDOR!


MannyGoblin wrote:
we just need the Snakes in King's Landing to strip down, grease up and start stabbing people. Maybe have a lesbian-incest angle where they end up straddling each other.

While that would've been an... uh... entertaining scene... I'd rather they just completely vanished from the show. No explanation given.

Sure, it'd not make any sense, but nothing about the Dorne storyline makes any sense in the show, so they might as well just spare us the pain of watching it. -.-'


Lemmy wrote:
MannyGoblin wrote:
we just need the Snakes in King's Landing to...

I'd rather they just completely vanished from the show. No explanation given.

Sure, it'd not make any sense, but nothing about the Dorne storyline makes any sense in the show, so they might as well just spare us the pain of watching it. -.-'

My current headcanon is that Obara and Nym jumped off Trystane's ship to swim away, but an undertow dragged them out to sea. Three hours later, they washed up on Gilligan's Gendry's Island.


Well, so there's that then!


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And without killing ghost to boot!

Now john is free to retake the north, as you serve in the nights watch until you die, and then "your watch has ended"


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Ooh, that's some nice rules lawyering, BNW! :)

Scarab Sages

Epi 3 is titled oathbreaker after all.

Also tower of Joy in the preview for next week. R plus L equals J as the cliffhanger. Calling it.


Just realized

Spoiler:

All three targaryn children have come back from the dead in one way or another.

Aegon was said to have died and is still alive
Danerys went onto a funeral pyre and came out
John died and was ressurected by melisandre


Roose was stupid in this episode. Hey, tell the Maester to KEEP SILENT about when the kid is born, you know Ramsey is twitchy about it.

Should have cut off when Ramsey said to bring Walda to him, we know he likes to feed people to dogs so drop the torture-porn.

Davos just bringing up the topic was weak. Better to have Mel bring it up herself since she saw it happen.


Was anyone honestly surprised by the final scene of the episode?


All in all you're just another brick in the wall...


Lemmy wrote:
Was anyone honestly surprised by the final scene of the episode?

Was pretty tense

Liking start to this series much more than last couple


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Not surprised, but glad to see it confirmed :)

I'm in the R+L=J camp as well. Knew he had to come back.

Whole story is about John and Dany, or Ice and Fire, as it were.


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Ooh, that's some nice rules lawyering, BNW! :)

People forget the rest:

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I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all the nights to come.

That's a pledge to eternity ("all the nights to come"), not just the person's lifespan.

That's not to say that's how they'll get out of it, but it's certainly questionable if it's a correct interpretation of the oath.

Other possibilities:

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With Robb dead and Bran and Rickon believed dead, Sansa is the publicly-acknowledged heir to Robb Stark, and technically the Queen in the North. So she could legitimate Jon herself when she gets to Castle Black.

Alternatively there could be a ground-up reconstitution of the Night's Watch following Alliser's betrayal and a whole new system is put into place.

Either way, I think Jon would accept that him continuing in the role of Lord Commander is going to be untenable due to the division he caused, so him stepping aside in favour of someone else is probably a good idea. Both the books and TV show seem to be suggesting that it might Dolorous Edd who takes over :)


Lemmy wrote:
Was anyone honestly surprised by the final scene of the episode?

I watched season 1 before reading the books, which I then read before season 2 began. Nothing past Ned's beheading has honestly surprised me. Let me say, I was very, very surprised by that one; up until the moment Joffrey asked for his head, I fully expected Ned to take the black, team up with Jon to rescue uncle Benjen, north of the Wall, and finally lead the Watch south to rescue Arya and Sansa from the Lannisters.

But in the space of 5 seconds I reevaluated my expectations for the series, and nothing has honestly surprised me since. Thrones is much more a "I wonder if they'll," rather than a "I couldn't believe they," proposition at this point.

Wait, I tell a lie. in book 5, when Roose shows up and tells Ramsey to just chill the f**k out, I was all, "Roose Bolton is the voice of reason? That's surprising!"


Bolton has always been reasonable...He just operated on his own levels of reasonability. Ramsay...he's just nuts.


Its entirely possible that its the honor of the nights watch that fuels the magic of the wall, in which case re assembling them would be a bad thing.


One thing that I just considered that would support the R+L=J is that whe Ned spoke to John when they split on the Kingsroad with Ned going south to Kings Landing and John going north he promised next time they met he'd tell John about his mother. Presumably the next time they would've met John would be sworn to the Watch, thereby giving up any possible claims to title. It would certainly make sense from a timing perspective to Ned.

I have always thought the fact that if that is true, that Ned didn't tell Catlyn in confidence makes him kinda a jerk.


Having so much honor that you don't care if people stain it? Hardly a jerk.

Johns parentage could have gotten him killed, or worse, started a war to get everyone else killed. If anything could have made Catylyn like him even less. That seems a poor risk to run just so two people get along.

Scarab Sages

Rereading got, it's obvious it's secret to keep Robert from killing Jon for no other reason than targ blood. Your leige and best friend hates your newphews dad enough to start a war, no way you're even giving the secret to anybody.


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Ned's love for his sister trumped the love he had for his wife. And, he made a promise to said dying sister.

Cat ain't knowing crap at that point.


BigNorseWolf wrote:

Having so much honor that you don't care if people stain it? Hardly a jerk.

Johns parentage could have gotten him killed, or worse, started a war to get everyone else killed. If anything could have made Catylyn like him even less. That seems a poor risk to run just so two people get along.

I meant telling ONLY her. I agree that the fact that he allowed the stain on his honor to protect John is what makes him one of the most compelling characters in the books. That is why I said "kinda." :)

Edit: I read the other posts. I don't know, Cat was incredibly loyal, and was perfectly capable of keeping that secret. He hurt her and John for years over a secret that he could have at least told Cat. Even if he didn't tell John because telling kids to keep secrets is usually useless, at least Cat would have understood that Ned was the man she thought she was marrying. There is nothing in her character that indicates that she couldn't avoid endangering John and Ned.


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Honestly, imho not telling Catelyn is one of the most honorable things he did. It was his burden to bear, not hers, he knew what would happen if even a hint of the truth got out.

He'd rather her think less of him, than her have to deal with this powerful and exceptionally dangerous secret.

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