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Porting over to Golarion


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Liberty's Edge

Ok I had a much longer thread but it kicked me and then ate it so this might be more hurried.

Anyway my players and I (especially my wife and me) have a special list of characters we really enjoy playing. In a way, they are OUR iconics. Our campaign of choice used to be Forgotten Realms. Well we all hated the changes that happened/was happening and also hated new content pushed out for the realms (which we also heard would be limited) which was mostly things we couldn't use.

Then we found Pathfinder and Golarion. Boy meets girl. Boy falls in love with girl. Etc etc.

Anyway we found ourselves with four options. Start brand new characters there? Nah, we all loved our iconics way too much. They are very much a part of us. Simply port them over magically like through a gate or something in order to avoid the Spellplague and they just happen to come to Golarion? Nah, we wanted our iconics to truly be Golarions. Port them over and change what backhistory we needed to in order to fit in the world? We thought about that but there would be a lot of changes and continuity was harder.

So we decided to do a reboot of our characters and start their lives and careers over from scratch in Golarion. Sure some things are similar story wise but mostly it's very different, very fun, and very fresh. It's just been a heck of a lot of fun.

However my characters ALSO weren't too complex to transfer. I had two moon elfs, a drow, a tiefling, and an ashen skinned feytouched (elven mom, shadow tainted half fey elf father).

Everyone BUT the feytouched transfer easily enough and hasn't been an issue. With the feytouched I haven't decided to just keep calling it a feytouched or, since Golarion can't ever convert it (not that it needs any converting but it's not open source) just call it by something else and keep the stats/write up? I'll probably do the latter since I never really liked the name "feytouched" anyway. Always just called him a fey but now will likely call him a shay (shadow touched fey. No special bonuses for the whole shadow part, I just like the flavor and the gray skin :P )

SO, that brings me to my question to the community; anyone else in the same situation or close? Those who have a lot invested into their OC's but want them in Golarion from a different world?

How are you doing it? Any crossover issues you're running into?

RPG Superstar 2009 Top 16, 2012 Top 32 , Marathon Voter 2013, Marathon Voter 2014, Star Voter 2015

Misery wrote:
With the feytouched I haven't decided to just keep calling it a feytouched or... just call it by something else and keep the stats/write up?

Well, if your feytouched takes a few levels in sorcerer, you can just change the race to elf and take the fey bloodline.


Hm... If anything, there would be only two characters, maybe three I'd bring to Golarion.

Pharaun "Veluuthra" Craulnober, CG moon elf bladesinger. In the end, he became a demigod, being in charge of bladesingers under Corellon's leadership. Could work the same way on Golarion, except that he'd probably be more or less on his own (though on good terms with Calistria and other elven deities).

He got his power from an evil elven deity that had been exiled to hades and tried to return the favour to all elves, but I think in this case, he'd go for the Test of the Starstone instead.

One major aspect of his struggles (and later portfolio) was the acceptance of non-evil drow among other elves, but that won't work in Golarion, since there are no non-evil drow there, especially no whole houses and realms full of them, but that's not too bad.

Antaros Dlardrageth alias Antar Nimesin alias Sarotan DiFey, Fey'ri assassin: There are no fey'ri as such on Golarion, but the world should more than support tieflings descended from elves and succubi that have non-standard tiefling abilities. Antaros wasn't really too much into the Dlardrageth internal struggles or anything, he was more the shapeshifting infiltrator and backstabber, and that definetly works on Golarion. He'd probably worship Nocticula here.

Verions of the Ancient, elan psion: Verions was part of a very secret organisation of psi-manifesters who personally saw the rise and fall of Netheril in his 5000 years of age. Easy enough to port, as he'd just be someone who originally came from Azlant or Thassalion, a spellcaster.

The organisation he belonged to had an interesting way of collecting information: They would go out into the world, experience it, and when they're as much as they could be (i.e. 20th level or so), they'd return to their Repository, where the experience would be reabsorbed and their body renewed (not always with the same abilities). They basically invented a psionic way of reincarnation that let them store the knowledge they found over the millania. Almost all of the time, they'd return as some sort of manifester, but it could always be something else: psion, wilder, psychic warrior....

Liberty's Edge

Regarding the 'non-evil Drow'. Instead of thinking of them as non-evil, consider them to be drow that are looking for redemption to become elves again. Adds a whole lot to the role-playing aspects of resisting the drow nature and atone for their past sins.

Grand Lodge

bah! Elves are just Drow that have not fallen yet. Never trust an elf!


Krome wrote:
Never trust an elf!

Stop parroting lines you saw in some Jackson movie.


KaeYoss wrote:
Krome wrote:
Never trust an elf!
Stop parroting lines you saw in some Jackson movie.

I thought he got it from those early Shadowrun novels:

"Never Deal With a Dragon"
"Never Trust an Elf"
"Choose Your Enemies Carefully"
"Find Your Own Truth"

Actually, I have been double dealt by gnomes more than any other core race. Never trust a silent G.

wasgreg ( the g's are NOT silent :) )


That's because gnomes are masterminds. They run the universe, after all.

Liberty's Edge

KaeYoss wrote:

Hm... If anything, there would be only two characters, maybe three I'd bring to Golarion.

Pharaun "Veluuthra" Craulnober, CG moon elf bladesinger. In the end, he became a demigod, being in charge of bladesingers under Corellon's leadership. Could work the same way on Golarion, except that he'd probably be more or less on his own (though on good terms with Calistria and other elven deities).

He got his power from an evil elven deity that had been exiled to hades and tried to return the favour to all elves, but I think in this case, he'd go for the Test of the Starstone instead.

One major aspect of his struggles (and later portfolio) was the acceptance of non-evil drow among other elves, but that won't work in Golarion, since there are no non-evil drow there, especially no whole houses and realms full of them, but that's not too bad.

Antaros Dlardrageth alias Antar Nimesin alias Sarotan DiFey, Fey'ri assassin: There are no fey'ri as such on Golarion, but the world should more than support tieflings descended from elves and succubi that have non-standard tiefling abilities. Antaros wasn't really too much into the Dlardrageth internal struggles or anything, he was more the shapeshifting infiltrator and backstabber, and that definetly works on Golarion. He'd probably worship Nocticula here.

Verions of the Ancient, elan psion: Verions was part of a very secret organisation of psi-manifesters who personally saw the rise and fall of Netheril in his 5000 years of age. Easy enough to port, as he'd just be someone who originally came from Azlant or Thassalion, a spellcaster.

The organisation he belonged to had an interesting way of collecting information: They would go out into the world, experience it, and when they're as much as they could be (i.e. 20th level or so), they'd return to their Repository, where the experience would be reabsorbed and their body renewed (not always with the same abilities). They basically invented a psionic way of reincarnation that let them store the...

I actually never liked the idea that tieflings and the like had to be human descendants. I'm not sure if the feytouched were supposed to work the same way but given that it simply says fey descent then I didn't bother worrying.

The Starstone thing works pretty good. Also, I know SOME evil and vile elves become drow but not all, is that right? And as well if someone IS a drow and they start being good, to they turn into a normal elf?

I was always confused by this and didn't know if I missed a book or section where it explained this.

Also, is Pharaun worked out to be Elaith's child or just a relative of sorts? Or just the same last name?


Misery wrote:
I actually never liked the idea that tieflings and the like had to be human descendants.

Me, neither. It wasn't really spelled out like that (at least not in 3e), but the tiefling had to stand in for all fiendspawn, be they of human stock or anything else. So you have tall but ugly half-gnomes and weak half-orcs.

Better to turn all planetouched into a template. Ideally a template and many, many feats to get extra abilities.

Misery wrote:


Also, I know SOME evil and vile elves become drow but not all, is that right? And as well if someone IS a drow and they start being good, to they turn into a normal elf?

Generally the details are left to the individual GM, but it takes more than just an evil alignment. A thoroughly evil disposition, a wont for destruction, and a lust for chaos and evil in general can work (since drow on Golarion worship demon lords, and were probably warped by Rovagug's presence in the planet's centre).

Also, even if a drow manages to become non-evil, the transition is one-way - at least, no case of de-drow-ification has ever been reported.

Note that the actual transformation is very rare nowadays - otherwise the Winter Council couldn't have kept the lid on this long for this long. And drow society is evil to the core. If someone becomes non-evil, they'll kill him because they view him as an aberration. That makes non-evil drow really rare.

This means that even if it is possible to turn from drow to elf, there are too few non-evil drow to begin with, and if the process is anything like the original transformation, we'd probably need an outright saintly drow to be elegible.

Two possibilities:

  • Serenrae helps. The Goddess of redemption and Rovagug's Nemesis, she might have an interest in turning a drow of good alignment back into a regular elf. It would probably need a truly repentant individual, though, and said drow would probably have to go to a great quest for the Dawnflower.
  • Should a drow find Enlightenment, that elusive elven state of mind they hope to achieve (and spend lifetimes to get to), the transition might trigger the transformation.

    So any drow with the desire to change have their work cut out for them.

    Misery wrote:


    Also, is Pharaun worked out to be Elaith's child or just a relative of sorts? Or just the same last name?

    Somewhere between the two. Pharaun was born to a Craulnober woman (and a drow, though he was one of the rare cases where the child of such an union didn't become a drow. His father was a Darkmask of Vhaeraun, and I think his mother a bladesinger and follower of Corellon), but while she was of house craulnober, she wasn't necessarily a close relative to the Serpent. Cousin several times removed or something like that. Or just a vassal to the house, taking on the noble family's name.

  • Liberty's Edge

    KaeYoss wrote:


    Two possibilities:
  • Serenrae helps. The Goddess of redemption and Rovagug's Nemesis, she might have an interest in turning a drow of good alignment back into a regular elf. It would probably need a truly repentant individual, though, and said drow would probably have to go to a great quest for the Dawnflower.
  • Should a drow find Enlightenment, that elusive...
  • I'd probably add on to the above that elves born drow would be EXTREMELY rare to repenting. I'd picture an elf that embraced the chaos and evil, but had severe regret afterwards wanting to find that redemption. If you're born into drow society, either regret would be beaten out of you early on, or you'd be noted as an aberration and killed as KaeYoss mentioned.

    Grand Lodge

    The reason transforming from elf to drow is rare is that there really is no difference between the two except cosmetic. Elf=Drow, Drow=Elf both unholy despots bent on destruction and manipulation, murder and mayhem.

    And yeah, I have been saying never trust an elf long before jackson ever made his movie. He got the quote from me!

    Grand Lodge

    mattdroz wrote:
    KaeYoss wrote:


    Two possibilities:
  • Serenrae helps. The Goddess of redemption and Rovagug's Nemesis, she might have an interest in turning a drow of good alignment back into a regular elf. It would probably need a truly repentant individual, though, and said drow would probably have to go to a great quest for the Dawnflower.
  • Should a drow find Enlightenment, that elusive...
  • I'd probably add on to the above that elves born drow would be EXTREMELY rare to repenting. I'd picture an elf that embraced the chaos and evil, but had severe regret afterwards wanting to find that redemption. If you're born into drow society, either regret would be beaten out of you early on, or you'd be noted as an aberration and killed as KaeYoss mentioned.

    Well, yeah except that a book all about a repentant drow inspired billions of identical drow. I think in order to play a drow who regrets his evil race he HAS to wield two scimitars and have a panther pet. I'm pretty sure there is a rule that demands that is the ONLY way it can be done, because it just is not done any other way!

    Liberty's Edge

    Krome wrote:
    mattdroz wrote:
    KaeYoss wrote:


    Two possibilities:
  • Serenrae helps. The Goddess of redemption and Rovagug's Nemesis, she might have an interest in turning a drow of good alignment back into a regular elf. It would probably need a truly repentant individual, though, and said drow would probably have to go to a great quest for the Dawnflower.
  • Should a drow find Enlightenment, that elusive...
  • I'd probably add on to the above that elves born drow would be EXTREMELY rare to repenting. I'd picture an elf that embraced the chaos and evil, but had severe regret afterwards wanting to find that redemption. If you're born into drow society, either regret would be beaten out of you early on, or you'd be noted as an aberration and killed as KaeYoss mentioned.
    Well, yeah except that a book all about a repentant drow inspired billions of identical drow. I think in order to play a drow who regrets his evil race he HAS to wield two scimitars and have a panther pet. I'm pretty sure there is a rule that demands that is the ONLY way it can be done, because it just is not done any other way!

    Awww... why you raggin' on poor ol' D? It's not his fault the fanboys squeal for his books!

    Grand Lodge

    mattdroz wrote:
    Krome wrote:
    mattdroz wrote:
    KaeYoss wrote:


    Two possibilities:
  • Serenrae helps. The Goddess of redemption and Rovagug's Nemesis, she might have an interest in turning a drow of good alignment back into a regular elf. It would probably need a truly repentant individual, though, and said drow would probably have to go to a great quest for the Dawnflower.
  • Should a drow find Enlightenment, that elusive...
  • I'd probably add on to the above that elves born drow would be EXTREMELY rare to repenting. I'd picture an elf that embraced the chaos and evil, but had severe regret afterwards wanting to find that redemption. If you're born into drow society, either regret would be beaten out of you early on, or you'd be noted as an aberration and killed as KaeYoss mentioned.
    Well, yeah except that a book all about a repentant drow inspired billions of identical drow. I think in order to play a drow who regrets his evil race he HAS to wield two scimitars and have a panther pet. I'm pretty sure there is a rule that demands that is the ONLY way it can be done, because it just is not done any other way!
    Awww... why you raggin' on poor ol' D? It's not his fault the fanboys squeal for his books!

    Not raggin on D', I like the D'... raggin on the fanboiz :)


    Krome wrote:


    Not raggin on D', I like the D'... raggin on the fanboiz :)

    Are you also angry at the Goths for burning down Rome?

    Liberty's Edge

    KaeYoss wrote:
    Krome wrote:


    Not raggin on D', I like the D'... raggin on the fanboiz :)
    Are you also angry at the Goths for burning down Rome?

    Hey, I'll have you know that The Cure and Siouxsie and the Banshees are NOT that old!

    {whisper}

    Oh, those Goths!


    mattdroz wrote:
    KaeYoss wrote:
    Krome wrote:


    Not raggin on D', I like the D'... raggin on the fanboiz :)
    Are you also angry at the Goths for burning down Rome?

    Hey, I'll have you know that The Cure and Siouxsie and the Banshees are NOT that old!

    {whisper}

    Oh, those Goths!

    "With my hair up I'd look fancy, like Siouxsie and the Banshees, with silk or velvet cloth...."

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