Moorluck |
I haven't used it, but it's one of the books on my wish-list of things I'm going to buy someday.
It's a suprisingly solid book IMO if a little silly here and there.
Good luck finding it though,from what I understand it was pulped but you should still be able to track a copy down somewhere.(it can also be ALOT of fun...think temple prostitute of Sharress as your groups only cleric ;p)
lynora |
lynora wrote:I haven't used it, but it's one of the books on my wish-list of things I'm going to buy someday.It's a suprisingly solid book IMO if a little silly here and there.
Good luck finding it though,from what I understand it was pulped but you should still be able to track a copy down somewhere.(it can also be ALOT of fun...think temple prostitute of Sharress as your groups only cleric ;p)
Been there, played that, but without the rules to back it up :) That's why I want the book.
joela |
lynora wrote:I haven't used it, but it's one of the books on my wish-list of things I'm going to buy someday.It's a suprisingly solid book IMO if a little silly here and there.
Good luck finding it though,from what I understand it was pulped but you should still be able to track a copy down somewhere.(it can also be ALOT of fun...think temple prostitute of Sharress as your groups only cleric ;p)
i have it and have been wanting to use it for some time. the variant magic system is neat and i love the way prostitutes are used to cure "common" ailments like paralysis.
Moorluck |
Moorluck wrote:i have it and have been wanting to use it for some time. the variant magic system is neat and i love the way prostitutes are used to cure "common" ailments like paralysis.lynora wrote:I haven't used it, but it's one of the books on my wish-list of things I'm going to buy someday.It's a suprisingly solid book IMO if a little silly here and there.
Good luck finding it though,from what I understand it was pulped but you should still be able to track a copy down somewhere.(it can also be ALOT of fun...think temple prostitute of Sharress as your groups only cleric ;p)
What you don't think a skilled prostitute can make a man move? :p
Moorluck |
Moorluck wrote:Been there, played that, but without the rules to back it up :) That's why I want the book.lynora wrote:I haven't used it, but it's one of the books on my wish-list of things I'm going to buy someday.It's a suprisingly solid book IMO if a little silly here and there.
Good luck finding it though,from what I understand it was pulped but you should still be able to track a copy down somewhere.(it can also be ALOT of fun...think temple prostitute of Sharress as your groups only cleric ;p)
Aperantly (yes i know my spelling sucks) I was wrong about the book being pulped... there is a link to it over on the thread about WoTC cancelling its PDF sales on the last page of the thread.
Gotta love Sharressan preistess' ;)
DitheringFool |
I have used some of it although the players never caught on (yet?). Basically, I had an "evil" party comprised of a fighter and rogue that used a lot of BoEF feats and a BoEF cleric (can't remember the specifics).
I really like some of the material in the book - some of it is a bit cheesy and I really don't like the art but I recommend it over all the other similar products out there.
Moorluck |
I have used some of it although the players never caught on (yet?). Basically, I had an "evil" party comprised of a fighter and rogue that used a lot of BoEF feats and a BoEF cleric (can't remember the specifics).
I really like some of the material in the book - some of it is a bit cheesy and I really don't like the art but I recommend it over all the other similar products out there.
Now the art was one of the things that drew me to the book,not for any perverse reasons just intrigued...I especially like the dragon and his human lover on pg36. But overall I like introducing more mature themes to my games,not just with sex, but in an overall sense.
Dark_Mistress |
Not really, all and all i thought it was a good idea. But felt the book didn't get it right. It was a serious attempt at the subject but thought they was a little off the mark. Now with that said I have used a item or two from the book. As I have read it.
Also you can still get the book, the only ones that was pulped was those that was never sold by the company to retailers or supply chains. I know locally two major book stores each still have at least one copy each.
pres man |
Aperantly (yes i know my spelling sucks) I was wrong about the book being pulped... there is a link to it over on the thread about WoTC cancelling its PDF sales on the last page of the thread.
Gotta love Sharressan preistess' ;)
Actually the d20 version was pulped. Evidently they have made another version using the OGL only, which is not currently pulped. So you (or more correctly me) was both right and wrong.
Abraham spalding |
Yes I've used several parts of it, and only mentioned them to the DM so he knew what source I was using. The only response I got was "I didn't know that the book had such useful stuff in it... I thought it was just a lot of trash. I'll have to actually check it out now."
The will sapping weapon ability was of interest to me, as was the metamancer. Several of the racial options where interesting too.
Moorluck |
Moorluck wrote:Actually the d20 version was pulped. Evidently they have made another version using the OGL only, which is not currently pulped. So you (or more correctly me) was both right and wrong.Aperantly (yes i know my spelling sucks) I was wrong about the book being pulped... there is a link to it over on the thread about WoTC cancelling its PDF sales on the last page of the thread.
Gotta love Sharressan preistess' ;)
Me WRONG!! NEVE....oh wait...just checked with the missus...yup she says I've been wrong before...but you says I was right to,I'll take it!!
Moorluck |
I made use of it to flesh out details of the Yuan-Ti run brothel in the first Scuttlecove adventure, and also found an online adventure that made some use of it for encounter tables. What it can be useful for is the detail work in designing the more mature elements of a fantasy game.
I agree... it gets used quite a bit around my table... sometimes a little too much especially when dealing with succubi.
(Awe c'mon man I dont wanna make my will save)
I once ran a game played by my wife and 3 of her girlfriends that made WAY too much use of that book. *still mentally scared*
Tiger Tim |
I stumbled across this book in a Barnes and Nobles and bought it as a curiosity. It was infamous to me because of the number of times that I had seen it mentioned in various forums. I had assumed that it was trash and was very surprised to find out it was not (I mean how far wrong can you go when you include a Phil and Dixie comic :) ).
I have been very impressed with the content of the book so far. And while I don’t see this book working in any of my current games, with the right group, this book could add a lot of fun to your game.
Almagest |
An ex-girlfriend of mine used it in a game she ran. My character slept with some elf chick and got a venereal disease. I forget which one it was.
I also remember a 2e game I played in, where I got what amounted to a groupie (Elven, of course) pregnant, and had to give 1/3 of all the treasure I found in child support.
To make a long story short, all male characters I play now avoid Elven women like the plague.
Tnemeh |
We use a few things on that book and have found out that several spells and effects are devastating in battle. The magic items and small details make it worth at least a good read, not to mention a good addition to your source books. My girlfriend loves that book because she knows exactly when to use what item or spell.
When you see a big, fearsome barbarian woman that was about to beat you to pulp suddenly falls down on her knees screaming "OH YES! OOOOH YESSSSS!" while your party a does a tactical regrouping far from there, well... you know it's a good book.
Sharoth |
Moorluck wrote:Been there, played that, but without the rules to back it up :) That's why I want the book.lynora wrote:I haven't used it, but it's one of the books on my wish-list of things I'm going to buy someday.It's a suprisingly solid book IMO if a little silly here and there.
Good luck finding it though,from what I understand it was pulped but you should still be able to track a copy down somewhere.(it can also be ALOT of fun...think temple prostitute of Sharress as your groups only cleric ;p)
lynora, my FLGS has a copy of this book. Would you like me to pick it up for you?
joela |
joela wrote:i have it and have been wanting to use it for some time. the variant magic system is neat and i love the way prostitutes are used to cure "common" ailments like paralysis.I thought they'd want their patrons to stay stiff?
well, said patrons eventually have to come around to make payment....
magdalena thiriet |
Moorluck wrote:Been there, played that, but without the rules to back it up :) That's why I want the book.lynora wrote:I haven't used it, but it's one of the books on my wish-list of things I'm going to buy someday.It's a suprisingly solid book IMO if a little silly here and there.
Good luck finding it though,from what I understand it was pulped but you should still be able to track a copy down somewhere.(it can also be ALOT of fun...think temple prostitute of Sharress as your groups only cleric ;p)
Likewise, I haven't seen the book but there has been a sacred prostitute cleric in one group and other similar stuff here and there.
Steven Tindall |
I love this book.
If you combine the spells with a priest/ess of sune firehair from the realms settings OMG! darn near invincible.
Warning: do not allow any player to play a heartwarder prestige class preist of sune and the spells/abiltys in the book. I as a DM had a really hard time finding a challenge for this powerhouse combo.
When I played as a mage and used the spless from it I loved it.
On a personal note I do like the way they left out some of the more gross topics(necro***) but wern't afraid to address homosexuality in a matter of fact adult manner.
I have high praise for this splat book( they were a little biased twoards the T&A shots, not enough on the male aspect, personal taste ya know)
The Dalesman |
Fortunately, my sweety has no problem with more mature themes in game, and thought the book was really good, so we have it in our gaming library.
As others have mentioned, it's a great reference for mature material as well as some just neat things that work in regular play (disrobe is just a lovely spell to use on armored 'tanks', as I proved in one game session...) ;)
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Bellona |
Well ... I designed an NPC to assist a party of PCs and chose that great seeming-contradiction in terms known as the "elven tank". Ramor (his name) built up a reputation as lady's/man's man as I had decided that he was non-discriminatory when it came to the sex of his partner(s).
Then I took a gander at the BoEF, and decided to put his feat(s) where his mouth was (to re-phrase a certain expression). The players didn't know what had hit them - metaphorically-speaking, of course! :)
I then happened to mention this fact to another, mostly-female group of players. They promptly had to figure out their own characters' stamina ratings, sexuality ratings, etc. The player of the male elven ranger (gotta watch those elves - if you're into that sort of thing ...) was extremely pleased to report that her character scored an "Incredible" stamina rating. (The free Endurance feat that rangers get is great in combination with a decent Con.)
SmiloDan RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 |
Well ... I designed an NPC to assist a party of PCs and chose that great seeming-contradiction in terms known as the "elven tank". Ramor (his name) built up a reputation as lady's/man's man as I had decided that he was non-discriminatory when it came to the sex of his partner(s).
Then I took a gander at the BoEF, and decided to put his feat(s) where his mouth was (to re-phrase a certain expression). The players didn't know what had hit them - metaphorically-speaking, of course! :)
I then happened to mention this fact to another, mostly-female group of players. They promptly had to figure out their own characters' stamina ratings, sexuality ratings, etc. The player of the male elven ranger (gotta watch those elves - if you're into that sort of thing ...) was extremely pleased to report that her character scored an "Incredible" stamina rating. (The free Endurance feat that rangers get is great in combination with a decent Con.)
"Rangers do it in the woods."
Hee hee hee.
MrFish |
It also has things like lists of cultural taboos, ideas for how alignments might view sex and relationships and things like that. In a way this is helpful if you are trying to think outside the box.
I've mostly used the book when it came to designing cultural morals that wouldn't have readily occured to me and in designing two particular cults in my game. (one benevolent, one malevolent but both using sex as a focus)
SmiloDan RPG Superstar 2012 Top 32 |
hunter1828 |
It's a great book, but it has it's faults. Many of the classes were incomplete or otherwise needed errata that was never released. Some of the spells needed errata as well. I wasn't fond of many of the feats, but others were fantastic. I have used many of the spells in my games that were not "adult" in nature, as there are several that are not connected with sex or sexuality in any way.
The book was originally intended as a d20 compatible book, but when WotC heard about it they quickly changed the license to prohibit books of such a nature from carrying the d20 logo. As such, when it was printed in 2003 it was released as an OGL book only. When the Valar Project folded a year or so later without releasing another product, White Wolf's Arthaus imprint bought the rights to the Book of Erotic Fantasy and released it in PDF format. You can buy the PDF HERE.
Moorluck |
I've also enjoyed things like the pregnancy rates/gestation periods...nothing like a 2 yr pregnancy to make female elf PCs consider birth control...
A while back I also came across The Book of Unlawful Carnel Knowledge online that handled the same topics as BoEF but in a "cruder" fashion although I did like the elvin "blooming", periods of hieghtened sexuality that strike elves at different periods in their life and did incorperate that in my campaigns... like I posted earlier my games are NOT for kids ;)
hunter1828 |
If that is true, well, that's just... a disappointing way to try to "fix" things.
I assure you that it is quite true. I was a webmaster and forum mod for the Valar Project during production of the book.
You can still read the Valar Project press release on the subject HERE.
Talonne Hauk |
The hypocrisy WoTC had in regards to the BoEF, when they paved the way for it with the BoVD, just makes my blood curdle. No one I knew thought the BoVD was a good idea - which became obvious when it was repackaged as the Fiendish Codices.
I'm glad where WoTC falls, Paizo is there to pick up the ball.
hunter1828 |
The hypocrisy WoTC had in regards to the BoEF, when they paved the way for it with the BoVD, just makes my blood curdle. No one I knew thought the BoVD was a good idea - which became obvious when it was repackaged as the Fiendish Codices.
I'm glad where WoTC falls, Paizo is there to pick up the ball.
It goes back to the hypocritical view much of North America has on such things - gore and violence are acceptable, sex is not. That said, I wasn't bothered by the BoVD. There are some sections I don't like, some I do.
The Fiendish Codices, I felt, were a repowering of the demon/devil lords more than anything.
A lot of what went into the BoVD also made appearances in two Forgotten Realms supplements - Lords of Darkness and the revision/expansion of that book, Champions of Ruin.
Tnemeh |
I own the BoVD and found a few things to be quite functional and workable. It's just mind boggling that you're allowed to torture and wear someone else's skin but you can't have sex in an RPG, according to that point of view. Honestly, I'd rather have sex than killing. Maybe it's just me.
I'll quote my canadian Broadcasting Jounralism teacher when he said that the US's generalized point of view was strange when dealing about violence and sex:
I say, "less war, more boobs!"
hunter1828 |
M. Cunningham wrote:I say, "less war, more boobs!"
It's very hard to argue with that statement.
But seriously, it is a major issue. Many never blink at the appearance of graphic, sometimes gratuitous violence in their RPGs, but the mere hint of sex or sexuality beyond the "my warrior finds a whore for the night" sends some gamers shoving their heads in the sand.
I'm not and never have advocated that all games and every gaming group should have sex and sexuality in their games, but the people that want to add such things to their games should be able to without being labeled as perverts or weirdos. I've run games for over 20 years now, and in many of them there have been elements of sexuality, though I never, ever have roleplayed sex at a gaming table with one of my groups. I'm not interested in that, but I am interested in players who are not afraid to admit their character has an interest in sex.
One of the best campaigns I ever ran involved a female wizard who became pregnant halfway through the campaign. The character was played by a female and she did a marvelous job of it. Towards the end of her pregnancy, the character was casting Floating Disk and being pulled or pushed around on it so she could stay off her feet.
lynora |
lynora, my FLGS has a copy of this book. Would you like me to pick it up for you?
Somehow I missed seeing this post before. If the offer is still open, then yes please, and thank you.
Jandrem |
I actually bought it for my wife-to-be for our wedding :) We're going out of town for our honeymoon and will be doing some 1-on-1 RPing. And YES, she plays DnD, otherwise I wouldn't buy something like this for her lol.
Outside of that, the people we game with do use a fairly large amount of mature-content in our games. A lot of Dom/Sub situations involving npcs and cohorts, powerful characters purposely mating to sire a powerful child, etc. This book has lots of neat things we can use.
Mykull |
While fleshing out the brothels in Sasserine and Scuttlecove for STAP, I took a look at the BoEF & BoVD and found several useful things in both, but more in Erotic Fantasy than the other.
I also looked at the Encyclopedia Arcana - Nymphology (Blue Magic). It hardly has anything truly useful, unless you consider stat blocks for bearded clams, colossal Gay Al, creamy ooze, giant crabs, one-eyed trouser snake, and porn golems useful. Where BoEF tries to treat the subject seriously, this one goes exclusively for humor. It is a funny read, but I doubt you'd make a PC with the feats Bedroom Proficiency or Horn Dog (well, maybe an npc). And the classes? Agony Mage, Seducer, Peeping Scryer, and my personal favorite, Mystic Pimp.
Bellona |
While fleshing out the brothels in Sasserine and Scuttlecove for STAP, I took a look at the BoEF & BoVD and found several useful things in both, but more in Erotic Fantasy than the other.
I also looked at the Encyclopedia Arcana - Nymphology (Blue Magic). It hardly has anything truly useful, unless you consider stat blocks for bearded clams, colossal Gay Al, creamy ooze, giant crabs, one-eyed trouser snake, and porn golems useful. Where BoEF tries to treat the subject seriously, this one goes exclusively for humor. It is a funny read, but I doubt you'd make a PC with the feats Bedroom Proficiency or Horn Dog (well, maybe an npc). And the classes? Agony Mage, Seducer, Peeping Scryer, and my personal favorite, Mystic Pimp.
"Mystic Pimp"?!?!?
lynora |
Mykull wrote:While fleshing out the brothels in Sasserine and Scuttlecove for STAP, I took a look at the BoEF & BoVD and found several useful things in both, but more in Erotic Fantasy than the other.
I also looked at the Encyclopedia Arcana - Nymphology (Blue Magic). It hardly has anything truly useful, unless you consider stat blocks for bearded clams, colossal Gay Al, creamy ooze, giant crabs, one-eyed trouser snake, and porn golems useful. Where BoEF tries to treat the subject seriously, this one goes exclusively for humor. It is a funny read, but I doubt you'd make a PC with the feats Bedroom Proficiency or Horn Dog (well, maybe an npc). And the classes? Agony Mage, Seducer, Peeping Scryer, and my personal favorite, Mystic Pimp.
"Mystic Pimp"?!?!?
ROTFLMAO. All I can hear in my head is one of my fellow players in our Scion game saying, "I hit it with my pimp cane." (He's a scion of Baron Samedi and his 'pimp cane' complete with silver skull topper is the only weapon he has.)
MrFish |
Another possibility is this--there are some fantasy novels and settings that have a definite erotic turn to them--think of Terry Goodkind, Jacqueline Carey (mentioned before I believe) or George R. R. Martin. These elements DO exist. So the book does give you some helpful ideas for how to deal with such stuff in your game.