Malleus Aforethought |
Isn't this move to halt PDF sales actually going to hurt their lawsuit? My recollection of U.S. copyright law (IANAL) is that in order to collect damages on copyright infringement, you have to demonstrate that the act in question negatively impacted your sales/income/insert some lawyerly term here. Or are they just going for the "moral" win here?
Robert Miller 55 |
Isn't this move to halt PDF sales actually going to hurt their lawsuit? My recollection of U.S. copyright law (IANAL) is that in order to collect damages on copyright infringement, you have to demonstrate that the act in question negatively impacted your sales/income/insert some lawyerly term here. Or are they just going for the "moral" win here?
No, because the PDF pirating can also be argued to be hurting print sales too.
Malleus Aforethought |
Malleus Aforethought wrote:Isn't this move to halt PDF sales actually going to hurt their lawsuit? My recollection of U.S. copyright law (IANAL) is that in order to collect damages on copyright infringement, you have to demonstrate that the act in question negatively impacted your sales/income/insert some lawyerly term here. Or are they just going for the "moral" win here?No, because the PDF pirating can also be argued to be hurting print sales too.
Even so, killing off a segment of revenue can't be helpful to their argument.
[EDIT: inadvertently switched identities...]
Robert Miller 55 |
Robert Miller 55 wrote:Malleus Aforethought wrote:Isn't this move to halt PDF sales actually going to hurt their lawsuit? My recollection of U.S. copyright law (IANAL) is that in order to collect damages on copyright infringement, you have to demonstrate that the act in question negatively impacted your sales/income/insert some lawyerly term here. Or are they just going for the "moral" win here?No, because the PDF pirating can also be argued to be hurting print sales too.Even so, killing off a segment of revenue can't be helpful to their argument.
[EDIT: inadvertently switched identities...]
No, I don't think it is either, but they can definitely point to print sales, and they can also say all sales lost from discontinuing them (PDF sales) is also the fault of the pirates, and add the loss of sales to the law suite.
Paul Ryan |
As I've pointed out elsewhere, the number of people who bought the books and don't play is probably dwarfed by the number of people who didn't by the books but who play anyway - whether by using communally available books (the DM's, their friend's, a library's) or by using illegal digital copies of the books.
I won't argue with that - it seems a reasonable assumption to me. On the other hand, how many of those people who are playing without their own legal copies of the core books or at least Player's Handbook are going to rush out and buy the next one that comes out? For purposes of revenue, they don't have much if any immediate effect on WotC's profit. They may buy their own if they come into the money for it eventually, but if they can't do that, they're not buying the later books either.
Jason Sonia |
Pax Veritas wrote:Can anyone provide an e-mail address of a hasbro or wotc exec where we can write to?
Has anyone written? A good friend, and game store owner asked me if I had spoken with hasbro. But is it even possible that customer feedback is not getting through?
I can give it a shot...It's called an Executive e-mail Carpet Bomb (EECB for short). Putting together an EECB's pretty easy. First you need to find a list of the e-mail addresses for the:
Board of Directors and/or other VPs.
Then you need to find the layout of their:
"typical" e-mail address which can be confirmed to be the correct format by looking up the user on LinkedIn.
Hey look at that, the person I found happened to be the Manager of Community Relations at Hasbro, Brandon Keough.
Then you combine the two:
Board of Directors
averrecchia@hasbro.com
banderson@hasbro.com
abatkin@hasbro.com
fbiondi@hasbro.com
kbrofin@hasbro.com
jconnors@hasbro.com
mgarrett@hasbro.com
ggee@hasbro.com
bgoldner@hasbro.com
jgreenberg@hasbro.com
ahassenfeld@hasbro.com
tleinbach@hasbro.com
ephilip@hasbro.com
pstern@hasbro.comNow, write everybody in this list (including Brandon) a politely worded, well thought out e-mail explaining your feelings to the situation. Explain (without threats) what their actions have done to your perceptions of Hasbro and WotC and let them know exactly what you think of their business practices...
And get everybody you know to do the same.
This technique is very powerful and it works. This is speaking from experience. I had cell phone provider issues and was given the run-around for two weeks from T-Mobile. One EECB got me a response directly from the VP of Consumer Affairs and an immediate resolution to my issues (the e-mail came within 2 hours). And stories...
Thank you for this informaiton.
Charles Evans 25 |
[bizarre fantasy tinfoil hat theory] Umm, as a thought, maybe 4e does have as many players as some of the claims of millions which have been going around (which seem a bit strange given print-runs only in the hundreds of thousands), but most of those people were playing using pirate versions of the PDFs....
In which case depending on whether or not they could have afforded to/would have bought the books otherwise, Wizards of the Coast may have just drastically slashed the number of 4E players around, if any such hypothetical pirate players feel put out at no longer having PDFs of new material to grab to improve their (illegal) experience. [/bizarre fantasy tinfoil hat theory]
Oh, and smurf.
Tarren Dei RPG Superstar 2009 Top 8 |
Sebastian Bella Sara Charter Superscriber |
Mark Moreland Director of Brand Strategy |
Jason Beardsley |
Aw man. I come to the thread late and it's already been smurfed. But what about *my* angry rant!?!?! I'm certain that I have something new and insightful to say that hasn't been touched upon in the...
past 29 pages?
Aw f!@~ it. Even I know when a horse corpse should be left undisturbed.
Where you been man?! You're late for the party..
Brix |
adresses don't work....
MisterSlanky wrote:Pax Veritas wrote:Can anyone provide an e-mail address of a hasbro or wotc exec where we can write to?
Has anyone written? A good friend, and game store owner asked me if I had spoken with hasbro. But is it even possible that customer feedback is not getting through?
I can give it a shot...It's called an Executive e-mail Carpet Bomb (EECB for short). Putting together an EECB's pretty easy. First you need to find a list of the e-mail addresses for the:
Board of Directors and/or other VPs.
Then you need to find the layout of their:
"typical" e-mail address which can be confirmed to be the correct format by looking up the user on LinkedIn.
Hey look at that, the person I found happened to be the Manager of Community Relations at Hasbro, Brandon Keough.
Then you combine the two:
Board of Directors
averrecchia@hasbro.com
banderson@hasbro.com
abatkin@hasbro.com
fbiondi@hasbro.com
kbrofin@hasbro.com
jconnors@hasbro.com
mgarrett@hasbro.com
ggee@hasbro.com
bgoldner@hasbro.com
jgreenberg@hasbro.com
ahassenfeld@hasbro.com
tleinbach@hasbro.com
ephilip@hasbro.com
pstern@hasbro.com...
Doombunny |
How long before I can buy my copy of Planescape: Faction War now? It seems like only last week I was able to purchase TSR .pdfs from this website, making money for Paizo and WotC. It seemed like a pretty easy system. Apparently I should have been stealing them, like every single one of you!
Especially you.
F33b |
The documents in question were not PDFs, but the presentation was PDF-like. (And it was Windows-only.)
-1 for being locked a specific OS.
How did it compare to the NYT reader? The NYT Reader is flash based, which is nice for those of us who avoid windows.
Jason Beardsley |
Vic Wertz wrote:
The documents in question were not PDFs, but the presentation was PDF-like. (And it was Windows-only.)-1 for being locked a specific OS.
How did it compare to the NYT reader? The NYT Reader is flash based, which is nice for those of us who avoid windows.
Ja, this.
Oh, and smurf.