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Howdy, all!

As some of you may already know, my roommate Ben (Benchak the Nightstalker on the boards) and I have been given the go-ahead to make printable PDF miniatures packs tied in with the Pathfinder line of adventures. This means soon you'll be able to download packs of miniatures you can print out, assemble, and use in your Pathfinder game. The current plan is to begin releasing products in February, tied in with the Legacy of Fire Adventure Path, as well as a set of the Pathfinder iconics. The setup is scheduled to be:

* 1 set of minis tied to a specific monster/creature type that will see regular use in the Adventure Path (gnolls in LoF, for instance, or street toughs and rogue-types for Council of Thieves); these will crop up when appropriate, and we'll probably do other monster packs if an AP doesn't call for a lot of one specific kind of monster

* A set of the key NPCs for that particular AP adventure

* A set of monsters from that adventure's Bestiary article

* A possible end-of-AP compilation set (if there's interest)

Depending on the number of enemies in an AP that we'll need to make minis for, these sets should each contain about 6-12 figues, possibly more. If an AP for some reason has less named NPCs, we'll make up the shortfall with whatever monsters/NPC villains seem appropriate from the adventure (special goon or bodyguard minis, for example).

Now, the current question I pose to y'all is: how much would you pay for a set of these? This is a new frontier we're exploring, and pricing on something like that can be a sticky wicket. From what I've seen, a lot of sites seem to charge about $6 for a pack of twelve, or about 50 cents each. Does that seem reasonable? Or would you prefer a lower price point?

Let us know what you think!

Qadira RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16

Would they come colored, or would that be our job?

Andoran

Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Tales Subscriber

It's cool if I have to color them; I'll just buy a Myna bird and wear a silly hat while water coloring sweet Seoni ... ;-)

Oh, and $5.99 seems a good PDF price.


Chris Mortika wrote:
Would they come colored, or would that be our job?

They will be colored, though I hope to also have black and white versions in the packs for those who like to DIY. Surprisingly, they're out there. :P

There's some images of some ones I made for Wes and James a while back; I believe it was October 28th on the Paizo blog. I've also got some images of the original art for some of them up on my DeviantART page; that's in my Paizo message board profile. The ones we've pictured won't be the ones for sale (though I'm thinking on doing the goblin set as a freebie/promo pack, so keep your eyes open for that).


Andrew Turner wrote:

It's cool if I have to color them; I'll just buy a Myna bird and wear a silly hat while water coloring sweet Seoni ... ;-)

Oh, and $5.99 seems a good PDF price.

Excellent call, sir! Though they're all going to be to-scale minis, so it'll call for a steady hand to get the detailed bits. :P

So that's one positive on the $5.99 price point. Duly noted. :)

Qadira RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16

One comment, N'wah. I think I have a complete set of Paizo's Pathfinder / Golarion print product line. But not the miniatures. I don't buy a maniature unless I foresee some reason to actually use it. So, until I plan on DMing Legacy of Fire , I wouldn't be interested in the miniatures, at any price.


Chris Mortika wrote:
One comment, N'wah. I think I have a complete set of Paizo's Pathfinder / Golarion print product line. But not the miniatures. I don't buy a maniature unless I foresee some reason to actually use it. So, until I plan on DMing Legacy of Fire , I wouldn't be interested in the miniatures, at any price.

No problemo. Part of the plan is to offer them in smaller, bite-size mini chunks, so if you find yourself needing gnolls, or rogues, or whatever, they'll be waiting for you whenever. Hopefully, one of the sets will appeal to you at some time, but if not, no prob.

I may expand the line out at some later date to include other Paizo products. I'm thinking Pathfinder Society modules might be good. Those have a pretty limited number of beasties. If there's another product line you'd like to see us potentially expand into, lemme know! :)

Qadira RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16

PFS wouldn't be a bad idea at all. A lot of the miniatures I use for PFS games are ... close approximations, shall we say. Cardboard miniatures would be nice there.


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules, Roleplaying Game Subscriber

*sits at the edge of the seat waiting in great expectation*

*brings some popcorn to make the wait more pleasant*


Chris Mortika wrote:
PFS wouldn't be a bad idea at all. A lot of the miniatures I use for PFS games are ... close approximations, shall we say. Cardboard miniatures would be nice there.

I agree, and since I'm running a few as mini-games, I'll be doing some of them for my home game already. It's definitely on the list of projects to expand into in the future.


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I'd be interested in buying minis. $6 per AP seems a bit steep - that's an extra $36 on top of the full price of an AP. I think I'd be more comfortable with $4 for PDFs. For pre-printed (on cardstock, maybe) minis, I don't think I'd have a problem with $6, but I'd probably only buy those if I saw them in a game store.

Currently, I'm running CotCT, so I don't know that I'd buy minis for other APs, but I definitely would if we decided to do a supported AP after we finish CotCT.

Andoran

Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Comics Subscriber; Pathfinder Campaign Setting, Cards, Companion, Maps, Modules, Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Some thoughts from me:

- If the pdfs would include colored and uncolored minis I would pay $5.99. Would be cool to color them myself.

- The ONLY one thing why I not started to buy the WotC miniatrues lines was that booster crap! If I need minis I want to KNOW what I get for my mones, and especially CHOOSE what minis I buy! So making smaller pdfs with special selections would be awesome.

- It would be also great to just download a single mini if you need it. Again, colored and uncolored for $0.99 or something.

- If you could make one single pdf with, let's say 2 minis, and put it up for free with all the other $5.99 pdfs, it would surely help to sell your stuff, becaue people could actually try those minis first, before spending money.

Can't wait to see those pdfs! I hope you sell them well and wish you all the best!!!


fanguad wrote:

I'd be interested in buying minis. $6 per AP seems a bit steep - that's an extra $36 on top of the full price of an AP. I think I'd be more comfortable with $4 for PDFs. For pre-printed (on cardstock, maybe) minis, I don't think I'd have a problem with $6, but I'd probably only buy those if I saw them in a game store.

Currently, I'm running CotCT, so I don't know that I'd buy minis for other APs, but I definitely would if we decided to do a supported AP after we finish CotCT.

Alas, pre-printed isn't on the table right now. If this thing takes off, I could see it happening, but I'd have to look into printing costs and shipping and all that jazz. I'd love to do that sometime, though. Something about the thought of walking into my FLGS and seeing my minis on the shelves just makes me all tingly inside. :D

I'm hoping to do sets at about $4-$6 each, with maybe a full set of whatever comes out each month at a reduced combo price (maybe like $9.99 or something). That does seem a bit steep, but the hope is that a pack of 8 monster minis, all the key NPCs for the adventure, and six Bestiary monsters is worth about $10 (that's gonna be, like, 20+ minis, and stuff like the gnolls will get multiple uses, so their value is even better). It'll be an ongoing thing, so if it seems that no one's buying one particular kind of set, I'll drop that line and focus on stuff people actually do buy.

And I understand that not everyone who's getting a particular AP will be playing that AP at that time. The great thing about the PDF copies is that they'll always be available for you to get, so when/if you play LoF, the minis'll be waiting. :)

Taldor

Well, I always prefer a lower price point, and it would certainly make me much more likely to buy the minis, but $6 seems reasonable enough for a pack of 12 minis. I would definitely prefer $4, but I would understand if $6 was a more reasonable profit point for you. I'm also wondering, are you going to be retroactively making minis for older APs, or will they be strictly released for current APs? I'm just starting RotR, and I don't know when my group will get to any of the newer ones, and gobbos are always useful.


Dryder wrote:

Some thoughts from me:

- If the pdfs would include colored and uncolored minis I would pay $5.99. Would be cool to color them myself.

- The ONLY one thing why I not started to buy the WotC miniatrues lines was that booster crap! If I need minis I want to KNOW what I get for my mones, and especially CHOOSE what minis I buy! So making smaller pdfs with special selections would be awesome.

- It would be also great to just download a single mini if you need it. Again, colored and uncolored for $0.99 or something.

- If you could make one single pdf with, let's say 2 minis, and put it up for free with all the other $5.99 pdfs, it would surely help to sell your stuff, becaue people could actually try those minis first, before spending money.

Can't wait to see those pdfs! I hope you sell them well and wish you all the best!!!

A'ight. Goin' down point-by-point.

- Hoping to offer this. The only reason I wouldn't is if the file size was just gi-normous afterwords. Benchak's learned a lot about keeping PDF file sizes small in the last few months, though, so I'm hoping not.

- I'll be making a list in the product description for each mini pack of what, exactly, each pack would contain. I don't know if I even COULD do random paper minis. Sounds like too much work for a product plan that I don't want to do anyway. So yeah. No random minis (aside from the minis being whatever I end up drawing). I'll also be taking pictures of the mini sets of the cover image (a mock-up similar to the Pathfinder AP covers is the goal, but neither Ben nor I are graphic designers, so forgive us if the cover images kinda look dumb for a while).

- I think mini singles might be fun, but the problem is that the credit card transaction costs make that a no-win solution. about 25% of the mini's price would go to the transaction fees, so unless EVERYONE was buying multiple single minis (possibly with some kinda minim8um order thing that Paizo would have to implement and could be a real pain in the arse), it's probably not gonna happen. We'll see in the future, though.

And thank you! There'll probably be a Paizo Store Blog post when it happens, and I'll definitely be posting on this thread when they go live.


thefishcometh wrote:
Well, I always prefer a lower price point, and it would certainly make me much more likely to buy the minis, but $6 seems reasonable enough for a pack of 12 minis. I would definitely prefer $4, but I would understand if $6 was a more reasonable profit point for you. I'm also wondering, are you going to be retroactively making minis for older APs, or will they be strictly released for current APs? I'm just starting RotR, and I don't know when my group will get to any of the newer ones, and gobbos are always useful.

$4 was the original price I was thinking about. I'm just feeling out ideas on pricing right now. I don't want to undersell my stuff, but I also hope a lower price point will get more people interested. Nothing's set in stone, though, and I'll have to run some more numbers to see what's up. Sadly, this is a new thing for both Paizo and I, so we're in uncharted territory here. One of the big things I'm trying to achieve with this thread is to gauge the interest in these minis (kinda hard with everyone toolin' around on the Beta threads), but I've seen some folks who haven't talked to me about this before on this thread, so that's good. :D

Previous APs might get some lovin' if I find myself with the tine necessary to whip them up. Some stuff (like the Rune Giants) are practically sets unto themselves if I do them 3-D like I did with this guy. They might get a kind of "best of" compilation set, and I'd love to jump on the old Bestiary articles as well, so perhaps some time in the future we'll see it happen. But I'll probably have to make enough off of these to quit the day job in order to devote the time required.


I like your drawings, and think paper minis would be cool.

I'd suggest the $4 per 12 mini price because the more expesnsive the less I'll buy. I know you don't want to go too low on price, but the cheaper they are the more likely I'll buy enough to use on a regular basis. The more expensive, well, I'ld buy a couple sets such as the iconics and anything else that is too cool not to have, but I'm less likely to use them and thus need to buy more.

Anyway, looking forward to this endeavor!


modenstein17 wrote:

I like your drawings, and think paper minis would be cool.

I'd suggest the $4 per 12 mini price because the more expesnsive the less I'll buy. I know you don't want to go too low on price, but the cheaper they are the more likely I'll buy enough to use on a regular basis. The more expensive, well, I'ld buy a couple sets such as the iconics and anything else that is too cool not to have, but I'm less likely to use them and thus need to buy more.

Anyway, looking forward to this endeavor!

Thanks!

That's the target price I'm going for. At the very least, knowing people would be willing to pay a possible high of $6 lets me know that if I did something really big (say, like, a gargantuan 3-D mini or a larger set of smaller dudes or something) that people might buy it. I'd probably be saving the $6 price tag for something bigger or cooler or whatever.

And I totally agree on a "the cheaper the better" philosophy. There's a magic number where people doubt the quality if the price gets too low and don't buy, however, and I'm worried that if I undersell them, people will avoid them like the plague because, honestly, the "how good could they be?" mentality kicks in.

Thankfully, it appears that $4 for a pack of 12 is not that number, and I'm hoping people seem to like that figure. If people can get the minis they want/need for their game on what is essentially pocket change, that's good enough for me.

Oh, and when they're ready, the iconics will be a $4 set (well, $3.99, but who's counting?). A few are already done (at least the front side).

That reminds me: how much, if at all, do people care for a back-side on the minis? I only ask because, as cool as double-siders would be, that's basically double the workload. If people clamor like mad for 'em, I'll do it (I know that One Monk does it with their paper minis), but if I don't "have to", at least for the first few sets until I get into a good schedule and can squeeze it in earlier, it'll lead to a lot less moments where I wanna tear my hair out.

I like my hair, gentlemen. :P

But again, I want to provide the product you folks want. So lemme know if "no double-siders" is a deal-breaker or not.

Taldor

I would love double-sided miniatures (as long as there were nice instructions or at least advice on how to put them together. Not all of us are particularly bright or dextrous, and printers are neither. :D) I would still buy single-sided minis, though, and if that is a good deal easier for you, don't let my preference stop you.

Paizo Employee Developer

You are your own enemy. I didn't even think about "double siders" until you mentioned it. And while they would kick twice the ass, I'm certainly cool with throwing money at a two-man start-up providing a cool product for as long as it takes you to get this all under y'all's feet so you can get done what you want to get done. I really dig the style and want to support your endeavors, so bring it and I'll buy it.


I don't know about anyone else, but 'back sides' are pretty important for me. I've seem some paper minis without a back side & they're just not as good. Afterall, you're trying to use them as minis, and you want the fun of seeing the big pack on back of the hireling, the halfling thief with the just stolen moneypouch held behind his back, the goblin's bag of loot on his belt, etc. I could live without a rear view image, but it would be another disincentive on purchases. If it was a choice between a $4 set without backsides and a $5 or $6 set with a back side, I might spend the extra money. But I might just buy fewer sets. I'll be curious how others feel about it.

Also... how are you planning on having the minis "stand" so to speak? Steve Jackson Games "Cardboard Heroes" went with a sort of triangular fold with the two ends making a base, but from what I saw on your Deviant Art page it looked like you've been backing them with stiff cardboard and somehow glueing them to a flat round base. I've seen some paper minis like the ones DP9 did for their Heavy Gear figures use a plastic base with a little groove to hold up the paper figure, but that gets pricey buying the little plastic bases.


modenstein17 wrote:

I don't know about anyone else, but 'back sides' are pretty important for me. I've seem some paper minis without a back side & they're just not as good. Afterall, you're trying to use them as minis, and you want the fun of seeing the big pack on back of the hireling, the halfling thief with the just stolen moneypouch held behind his back, the goblin's bag of loot on his belt, etc. I could live without a rear view image, but it would be another disincentive on purchases. If it was a choice between a $4 set without backsides and a $5 or $6 set with a back side, I might spend the extra money. But I might just buy fewer sets. I'll be curious how others feel about it.

Also... how are you planning on having the minis "stand" so to speak? Steve Jackson Games "Cardboard Heroes" went with a sort of triangular fold with the two ends making a base, but from what I saw on your Deviant Art page it looked like you've been backing them with stiff cardboard and somehow glueing them to a flat round base. I've seen some paper minis like the ones DP9 did for their Heavy Gear figures use a plastic base with a little groove to hold up the paper figure, but that gets pricey buying the little plastic bases.

Yeah, Ben and I have mentioned it before to folks, and there is a decent number of people out there who prefer the double-siders. Mostly folks who use facing rules. But funny enough, I hadn't thought of the "got something behind my back" idea. It'd be perfect for one of my players' halfling rogue PC.

I'm only worried about it because I haven't gotten my tablet skillz down, and that is by far the easiest way to do it. We've got a loaner tablet, but I don't get a lot of time practicing with it (a problem that I really need to rectify). The alternative is to clear out the internal lines on the front mini, reverse the image, print it, ink the new backside lines, and re-scan it. And then some kind of Photoshop editing magic that is totally Ben's side of the business and makes my head hurt to think about.

Basically, I really want to make double-siders if it's at all possible for us to do so without making the workload commensurately more difficult. I've got my days off from the day job to figure out that tablet, though, so if I get mighty good before we release the minis, I'll totally do it.

As for how the minis stick onto the base (and general assembly info): I print the minis on cardstock, grab a can of spray-on glue, glue the minis to another sheet of cardstock, then cut out the mini, leaving a little tab below their feet. I then score the front side of the tab with an X-Acto (or pair of scissors if my X-Acto has gone missing) just under where the feet are to make folding easier. Then I grab a Sharpie and color the back of the tab so it's black on the top and on the sides and fold it behind the mini. Then I dab a little glue on the bottom of the tab, affix it to the cardstock circle base, press and hold for a bit, and whammo! Pretty little mini.

Double-siders will be pretty similar, but we'll arrange the front and back side-by-side so you'll print, apply glue between the two mini halves (minus the tabs on the bottom- that comes later), press 'em together for a while (or shove 'em inside a book), fold the tabs away from each other, apply glue, and affix to base. Also, another benefit of double-siders: since each side will have its own tab, and the tab'll be folding forward, not backwards, the "top" of the tab can be pre-colored black to make people's lives easier.

When we get the sets done, I will have available a series of instructions (including photos) to help people assemble these guys. I started making minis for my games a few years back and learned a lot from simple trial and error, and I want to save everyone the time I took learning this stuff. The sets will also have the tabs and bases included so no one has to make their own (which can be a total pain if you don't have, say, a circle template or a ruler or something). I'll probably be taking said photos when I assemble the iconics (which will be shortly after they're all done), so there'll be a set of how-tos up very soon.

It sounds complicated, but trust me: once you see some photos of it, it'll make a whole lot more sense. :P


Alright, it's no tutorial, but here's some shots of some of Immora's CoCT minis from the front and the back: (1) (2)

Also, here's an equally terrible shot of Amiri. Sorry, the lighting in my house, combined with the 70's brown-cream-more-brown color scheme makes everything yellow, apparently.

Better images to come soon!


Amiri looks very cool dude.

Andoran

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Ok, N'wah, in the Spirit of what Daigle said, I promise to buy all the sets you have for the Legacy of Fire AP, even if it's just to help you getting momentum in your endeavor (is that correct english?!).

Now go, and make them double-sided, I will also promise to say you look nice without your hair! ;)


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N'wah wrote:
That reminds me: how much, if at all, do people care for a back-side on the minis? I only ask because, as cool as double-siders would be, that's basically double the workload. If people clamor like mad for 'em, I'll do it (I know that One Monk does it with their paper minis), but if I don't "have to", at least for the first few sets until I get into a good schedule and can squeeze it in earlier, it'll lead to a lot less moments...

While a backside would definitely make the minis more attractive, I don't think they'd make me any more likely to actually buy. I'd probably print out some one-sided and some with mirrored backs to see which I liked more.

Osirion

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fanguad wrote:
...a backside would definitely make the minis more attractive,...

Especially for Seoni...

<sorry>

Andoran

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Oh - Seoni's backside...


For now, i would be happy to just see mirrored backs to the minitures, But in the long term i hope you'll move showing back and front in art.


hmmm... I see how the stands work. Pretty cool ... but I definitely would prefer a back side. As for the idea of a mirror of the front side, that doesn't appeal to me, in that case I'ld probably rather have a blank back.

Amiri looks good. Now you've got me impatient for the rest of the iconics.


Doin' a little multi-post respondo, so bear with me if it feels repetitive. When I say "thanks!", I really mean, "Hey, you, cool cat! THANKS!!!!11!1!" :D

Zombieneighbours wrote:
Amiri looks very cool dude.

Thanks, man! I've got a better photo on Ben's camera, but I can't get it from his camera to my computer (and thus the internets) without Ben's laptop, so it'll be at least tomorrow afternoon before the picture appears.

Dryder wrote:

Ok, N'wah, in the Spirit of what Daigle said, I promise to buy all the sets you have for the Legacy of Fire AP, even if it's just to help you getting momentum in your endeavor (is that correct english?!).

Now go, and make them double-sided, I will also promise to say you look nice without your hair! ;)

Thanks! That means a lot! And "build momentum" might be better, but I'm no English major. :P

I'm gonna do my darndest to make double-siders. Wednesday's agenda is to get a few more iconics finished and hopefully get some tablet practice in. If I can master the secrets of the tablet, making double-siders should be a snap.

And I figure if I start pulling out my hair, I'll just shave my head--go for that John Malkovich look, y'know? :P

fanguad wrote:
While a backside would definitely make the minis more attractive, I don't think they'd make me any more likely to actually buy. I'd probably print out some one-sided and some with mirrored backs to see which I liked more.

Mirrored minis will probably be the second-best choice, and at least with those, you can just cut out the second image and use it as an extra mini or something instead of the fold-and-glue method. But as mentioned above, I'll be trying to make double-siders available on Day 1.

Snorter wrote:

Especially for Seoni...

<sorry>

Dryder wrote:
Oh - Seoni's backside...

Heh. You crazy kids. :P

I'll try to do justice to Seoni's backside for you guys. It's a relatively popular side of hers with the Paizo artists, so I guess I've got a lot of reference material. :D

Zombieneighbours wrote:
For now, i would be happy to just see mirrored backs to the minitures, But in the long term i hope you'll move showing back and front in art.

Even if I don't get the double-siders mastered before launch, I'll definitely keep at it until it can be done for all the sets. I'll even look into possibly offering updated PDFs for people if the first batches aren't double-sided immediately.

Don't want to disappoint the fans. :)

modenstein17 wrote:

hmmm... I see how the stands work. Pretty cool ... but I definitely would prefer a back side. As for the idea of a mirror of the front side, that doesn't appeal to me, in that case I'ld probably rather have a blank back.

Amiri looks good. Now you've got me impatient for the rest of the iconics.

I figured the images would do a much better job of explaining how the minis attach. As it stands, those little tabs will be on both sides for a double-sided mini, but I don't think a little black tab will ruin anyone's suspension of disbelief. If people can't stand looking at those little tabs on the bottom of their minis, lemme know and I'll start getting all clever with base-attachment alternatives.

Thanks! I'll be taking photos as the rest of the set develops. I'll probably assemble double-sized versions, because even with Ben's camera's ultra-up-close zoom option, it can be hard to pick up detail on a figure that stands about an inch and a half tall.

So if they look kinda big on the battlemat or next to some random DVDs on Ben's DVD shelves, that's why. :D


Whoops. Missed a couple. :P

thefishcometh wrote:
I would love double-sided miniatures (as long as there were nice instructions or at least advice on how to put them together. Not all of us are particularly bright or dextrous, and printers are neither. :D) I would still buy single-sided minis, though, and if that is a good deal easier for you, don't let my preference stop you.

It's not that hard, I swear. My hands are basicially steaks with sausages glued to them in some crude approximation of digits, and I've assembled literally hundreds of these guys. It's mostly just the patience involved with cutting and gluing. Heck, if the detail cut-out stuff looks like too much of a pain, you could just cut a box shape around the mini and call it good. :P

Instructions (complete with photos) are a must. They will definitely appear with the first set, though I'm torn between putting them in every mini pack, or making them a free PDF or something. Thoughts?

Daigle wrote:
You are your own enemy. I didn't even think about "double siders" until you mentioned it. And while they would kick twice the ass, I'm certainly cool with throwing money at a two-man start-up providing a cool product for as long as it takes you to get this all under y'all's feet so you can get done what you want to get done. I really dig the style and want to support your endeavors, so bring it and I'll buy it.

I am, aren't I? Ignorance was bliss. :P

And thanks, man! That means a lot, seriously. I won't guarantee miracles from Day 1, but I'm hoping after a few months of this, Ben and I will get damn close to lookin' professional. Hell, I might even wear a tie.

Nah. :D


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I coulnd't read all since I'm at the office right now so I may repeat some of the stuff already posted up there:

-I'd love smaller $3-4 sets. In this way I can buy "cheaper" minis and select more to my likings what I buy. If there were a $6, 12 mini pack, I would rather go for a $4, 8 mini pack. In this way is cheaper for me to take one and easier to control my expenses, also its quite useful if I have to print several minis without having to forcefully edit the PDF to remove non-repetitive BBEG out of the sheet.

-If its a PDF, I'd love black and white + Color + Front and back minis. This adds a lot to the value (hence customer satisfaction) and makes the PDF much more interesting. Making the back of the mini its be almost twice the artwork, but makes a much more interesting mini. There ma be an issue with printing both sides of the cardboard, but that's something that falls in the hands of the customer. If he wants it printed on both sides, you have to do a bit of handwork.


This stuff is cool. Even if you don't use them, they look bad A$$ just sitting on a desk at work. We have samples here at the office and I love them. I can see why some people might have concerns over the production of them ( IE, single/double sided, color/non color, and whatnot), but just make em anyway and I know people will eat them up. But don't get caught up in what everyone wants. You won't please everyone and you already have a killer product.

Now, just do it!


Crap, if you don't.. I am gonna!


Hugo Solis wrote:

I coulnd't read all since I'm at the office right now so I may repeat some of the stuff already posted up there:

-I'd love smaller $3-4 sets. In this way I can buy "cheaper" minis and select more to my likings what I buy. If there were a $6, 12 mini pack, I would rather go for a $4, 8 mini pack. In this way is cheaper for me to take one and easier to control my expenses, also its quite useful if I have to print several minis without having to forcefully edit the PDF to remove non-repetitive BBEG out of the sheet.

-If its a PDF, I'd love black and white + Color + Front and back minis. This adds a lot to the value (hence customer satisfaction) and makes the PDF much more interesting. Making the back of the mini its be almost twice the artwork, but makes a much more interesting mini. There ma be an issue with printing both sides of the cardboard, but that's something that falls in the hands of the customer. If he wants it printed on both sides, you have to do a bit of handwork.

Yeah, it's shaping up to be eight double-siders at about $4 per pack. Some may be bigger (NPC sheets, for instance, will be at least 8 but could be more if there's a buttload of them).

And assembly should hopefully be a snap. I'll print out the first mini page of whichever set gets done first, and take frequent pictures while I assemble them.

Drew Pocza wrote:

This stuff is cool. Even if you don't use them, they look bad A$$ just sitting on a desk at work. We have samples here at the office and I love them. I can see why some people might have concerns over the production of them ( IE, single/double sided, color/non color, and whatnot), but just make em anyway and I know people will eat them up. But don't get caught up in what everyone wants. You won't please everyone and you already have a killer product.

Now, just do it!

Crap, if you don't.. I am gonna!

Dude, thanks, Drew! I'm glad you guys are diggin' them. If you ever need any, you know who to talk to.

And believe me, Ben and I are workin' on them. So don't beat us to it, you actually-trained-as-an-artist-and-knows-what-he's-doing ne'er-do-well! :P

And to everyone, keep up the love and suggestions in this thread. I've got a game tonight, but after it's done, I'll be back to the bristol pad like the art slave I am. I hope to come back tomorrow with links to the next set of photos, and I really hope when I do to find a bunch of new posts! That always feels good. :D

Thank you all so much!


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Drew Pocza wrote:
Crap, if you don't.. I am gonna!

DItto! :D

But I'm sure Ashton is going for it ;)

Qadira

RotRLs? Is that gonna be one of the firsts? I would love to buy everything you do for that path.
Good job, bro, and I will do my best to help your business venture out.


Hugo Solis wrote:
Drew Pocza wrote:
Crap, if you don't.. I am gonna!

DItto! :D

But I'm sure Ashton is going for it ;)

Ok then! I am just saying....


N'wah, Nice avatar BTW.


Fake Healer wrote:

RotRLs? Is that gonna be one of the firsts? I would love to buy everything you do for that path.

Good job, bro, and I will do my best to help your business venture out.

Thanks! Unfortunately, RotR isn't on the agenda right now. There will be a freebie goblin promo set, but until I can quit the day job and do minis full time (IF that happens), it'll have to wait.

But hey, we'll see how it looks further on down the line!

Drew Pocza wrote:
N'wah, Nice avatar BTW.

Heh. Thanks! They guy who designed it is a genius. :P

Oh, before I forget. I've got preview images up for Kyra, Ezren, and Merisiel. Just finished inking them, so there's no color yet. Enjoy!

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Wow, this thread has gone all over since you asked how much to charge for these.

If they are one-sided, I'd say $4. If they are double-sided (preferrably front and back, not literally two-faced) I'd pay $6. And I would prefer the unique foes or Pathfinder specific monsters. I have plenty of gnoll minis. I don't have any rune giants or scanderigs or the Sandpoint Devil.


Vigil wrote:

Wow, this thread has gone all over since you asked how much to charge for these.

If they are one-sided, I'd say $4. If they are double-sided (preferrably front and back, not literally two-faced) I'd pay $6. And I would prefer the unique foes or Pathfinder specific monsters. I have plenty of gnoll minis. I don't have any rune giants or scanderigs or the Sandpoint Devil.

Yeah, we're real stream-of-consciousness here, I guess. Just kinda ramble a lot. :P

That's not a bad idea, assuming Ben and I (okay, just "I") have trouble making the double-siders. If so, I'll probably do the sets cheaper since I'm not giving 100% awesomeness satisfaction. And the packs will be available separately, so if you don't want, say, gnolls, you can just buy the NPC and Bestiary packs for the Legacy of Fire AP as they become available. The mega-packs (a pack of thematic monsters, a pack of NPCs, and the Bestiary pack) will be for folks who want everything at once. I suspect most people will just pick and choose however.

As for rune giants, scanderigs, and the Sandpoint Devil, I'll try my best to do a back catalog from older APs as time permits (and when/if I get around to the rune giant, I hope to make a "build your own" 3-D version; hopefully both male and female versions as well). Funny enough, the Sandpoint Devil was one of Wes and James' suggestions for minis they'd like, but I opted out since I can't draw horses that well. I'll try to polish up on my animal-drawing skillz, though, since I bet I'll have to draw all sorts of weird monsters for the Bestiary. :P


Alright, new line of inquiry: would people rather have the instructions copied into every download, or available as a single free PDF? If it's a single PDF, it'll make the downloads smaller, but people will have to remember to pick it up. Including it in the PDFs will, of course, have the opposite effect.

Thoughts? Feelings? Emoticons? Lemme know.


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N'wah wrote:

Alright, new line of inquiry: would people rather have the instructions copied into every download, or available as a single free PDF? If it's a single PDF, it'll make the downloads smaller, but people will have to remember to pick it up. Including it in the PDFs will, of course, have the opposite effect.

Thoughts? Feelings? Emoticons? Lemme know.

SInce its a pDF, I would say intructions on every "package". I won't add cost only a few extra file size.


Hugo Solis wrote:
SInce its a pDF, I would say intructions on every "package". I won't add cost only a few extra file size.

Well, the instructions would still be free. I'm just worried about folks who have a hard time downloading large files, and the extra file size people would suffer over the long term. That, and since the files will be designed for printing, people will have to remember to select only the pages they want printed.

But maybe I shouldn't be so worried? I do worry a lot.

ALSO! New Amiri pictures up: check it out!


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N'wah wrote:
Hugo Solis wrote:
SInce its a pDF, I would say intructions on every "package". I won't add cost only a few extra file size.

Well, the instructions would still be free. I'm just worried about folks who have a hard time downloading large files, and the extra file size people would suffer over the long term. That, and since the files will be designed for printing, people will have to remember to select only the pages they want printed.

But maybe I shouldn't be so worried? I do worry a lot.

ALSO! New Amiri pictures up: check it out!

You can always add the instructions in the cut out section of the same sheet. I won't add extra pages and you have the instructions all the time. Think of new customers! And regular customers won't mind if those instructions do not get in the way.

Taldor

Okay N'wah, you know I love your mini's and want nothing but your success so understand when I do this breakdown of pricing that I'm doing it not just because I want them cheaper, but because I am really hoping that it will be a success.

Okay, I understand that for your workload $.50 for each mini sounds about right. But I know of two local game stores where I could go and for $.50 a mini I could get commons of D&D, Mageknight etc. minis that I could use for my game. They aren't the exact minis for the AP but often you can get enough of them at cheap enough you can find something close enough to work and I think most people would prefer plastic minis to paper minis.

Now I do think $4 is reasonable for an approx. 12 mini pack but by the math that equates to $.33 each that is a decent amount. but and here's the thing, at $3 a pack, which equates to $.25 a mini you get a paper mini that you can use for the AP you're running and it's exactly what you need at half the cost you could find random plastic minis, that's too good a deal to pass up. Also the reason $3 a mini is better is because at $4 a pack and 3 packs per AP issue if you've subscribed to the AP once shipping is added you are paying almost $32 for an issue and all the minis. The difference with $3 pack is that you stay below the $30 mark. That makes a difference, even though in reality the difference is only $4 (or hey one additional pack of minis from your generic monster line) I find that in most instances those ten dollar marks make a difference for a lot of people psychologically. For the people who are compulsive collectors and fans, like those of us here, it doesn't make a difference, we'll probably pay whatever. But for people who are slightly interested that breaking $30 could be the difference between picking up the entire set or just picking up the bestiary pack and using the minis they have for the NPCs etc.

Taldor

As for instructions please make them a seperate free PDF, and just have a one line note that says with each minis pack

"Instructions can be downloaded free at www.paizo.com"

Because I know I use zip drives for all my gaming stuff and file size is important because that's storage being eaten up that I have to buy a new zip drive. It wouldn't be a big deal if I was just getting one or two packs, but since I'm hoping to be a big supporter that file size being eaten up will slowly keep growing till a good portion of my zip drive is just eaten up by the same instructions over and over.


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Just for clarification, I always assumed we were talking about double-sided minis, not single-sided, until I saw a recent post. Is there a question here of which way to go?

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