I was actually just thinking about you today. Hey, that sounds weird. Well, it's true. I said it.I'd be more worried if you were dreaming about me.
That would turn a certain corner down a dark alley, wouldn't it?
Angle on vegetarianism as rational self-interest. I would be a vegetarian, or durn close to it, even if I didn't care about animal rights.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/27/weekinreview/27bittman.html
Because we ate hotdogs and hamburgers and all that crap as kids... and suddenly switching to tofu and peadpods is, for some of us, like moving to Mars. Certain foods are familiar... and bring the comfort they brought during childhood.I have a question. I'm not a vegan, but my fiance is vegetarian. Last night she took me to a vegan chinese food place. I ordered crab rangoons and the General Tso's chicken.
Why does vegetarian food feel the need to imitate meat dishes?
If I had ordered vegie dumplings and tofu w/peapods (peapods? why are they in General Tso's chicken), which I recieved, I might have had a better experience. Instead I went for the tried and true favorites, and was bitterly dissapointed. I was this close to getting the half a duck, but my fiance talked me out of it.
I don't get it. I thought vegetarians liked vegetables. Why try to disguise them as meat?
I think it's a business survival move. Even if vegetarian food is tasty and nutritious, you will have trouble selling it if it looks weird to people and has an unfamiliar name.
I know I'm not the only one on here who looked at the 4E Deluxe books and wondered why they have to be leather-bound. VEGAN HOLLA IF YA HEAR ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I'm a vegan too! That means there are at least two of us here.
The leather-bound books are not a problem for me, simply because I've so far avoided buying any 4E books, leather-bound or otherwise. :)
Great success! Vegan high five!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think it's a business survival move. Even if vegetarian food is tasty and nutritious, you will have trouble selling it if it looks weird to people and has an unfamiliar name.
The fake meat stuff must easily outsell the other types of prepared vegetarian foods.
I was answering the question, why would someone want this stuff?
Very interesting article, BTW.
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I was really hoping you'd find this thread.Heckuva thing after a long day's work. I turned on my computer... went to Nick Logue's site, saw some bastard hacked it brutally...
Came to Paizo. Got a kick in the head.
What's next? Flesh sizzling acid in my jasmine scented scrote cream?
You do all use scrote creme, right? Right? Oh come on... I can't be the only one.
Wait, go back to the part where someone hacked Nick's site. Huh?
Wait, go back to the part where someone hacked Nick's site. Huh?I was really hoping you'd find this thread.Heckuva thing after a long day's work. I turned on my computer... went to Nick Logue's site, saw some bastard hacked it brutally...
Came to Paizo. Got a kick in the head.
What's next? Flesh sizzling acid in my jasmine scented scrote cream?
You do all use scrote creme, right? Right? Oh come on... I can't be the only one.
Sinisteradventures.com is still down. There's a Turkish flag and a message and some music plays.
Now THAT'S a disgruntled fan/futile cyberterrorist. The only thing happening on that site is the forum, so all someone did was keep us a day away from concluding our 'John Carpenter's The Thing' conversation. Whoopee.
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Wait, go back to the part where someone hacked Nick's site. Huh?Sinisteradventures.com is still down. There's a Turkish flag and a message and some music plays.
Now THAT'S a disgruntled fan.
What the f%&&?
Who the hell are these guys:
HaCK3D CyBeR.Fatih
| EgemeN | By_intiKaM | ZaN6 | Bady_BoyS |
Bu Alemde Ne Kral Tanırız Ne'de Kural Ya Tam Sustururuz Ya'da Kan Kustururuz
NE MUTLU TÜRKÜM DİYENEBy_intikam@live.nl
I'm gonna f+%%ing hunt them down and kill them in the most gruesome way possible.
What the f&@%?
Who the hell are these guys:
HaCK3D CyBeR.Fatih
| EgemeN | By_intiKaM | ZaN6 | Bady_BoyS |
Bu Alemde Ne Kral Tanırız Ne'de Kural Ya Tam Sustururuz Ya'da Kan Kustururuz
NE MUTLU TÜRKÜM DİYENEBy_intikam@live.nlI'm gonna f&@%ing hunt them down and kill them in the most gruesome way possible.
I admire your passion. >:)
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I admire your passion. >:)What the f&@%?
Who the hell are these guys:
HaCK3D CyBeR.Fatih
| EgemeN | By_intiKaM | ZaN6 | Bady_BoyS |
Bu Alemde Ne Kral Tanırız Ne'de Kural Ya Tam Sustururuz Ya'da Kan Kustururuz
NE MUTLU TÜRKÜM DİYENEBy_intikam@live.nlI'm gonna f&@%ing hunt them down and kill them in the most gruesome way possible.
Two words: blood eagle.
Two words: blood eagle.
Didn't the Scots of ol' Edinburgh have a similar torture... also had to do with peeling the lungs out and laying them out like wings. It also had eagle in the name.
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Didn't the Scots of ol' Edinburgh have a similar torture... also had to do with peeling the lungs out and laying them out like wings. It also had eagle in the name.
Two words: blood eagle.
You, friend, seem to be a wealth of disturbing yet useless information.
Didn't the Scots of ol' Edinburgh have a similar torture... also had to do with peeling the lungs out and laying them out like wings. It also had eagle in the name.
Two words: blood eagle.You, friend, seem to be a wealth of disturbing yet useless information.
** spoiler omitted **
One could even call it disturbingly useless information.
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On the gardening note, has anybody tried out an AeroGarden? I've wanting one (or three) for ages and I'm curious to know what others think.
Mrs. Tiger has one. So far, our "harvests" have been emaciated, shrivelled looking things, not those lush "chia-pet" gardens the pictures have.
I remain unimpressed.
As to ripping into Vegans/Vegetarians, I think it's stupid. I also, however, think it's stupid when they waggle their fingers in my face (not toward me, but literally in my face) while I am trying to eat. I appreciate the passion, and I appreciate the belief, I just don't share it. Obnoxiousness can go both directions. I, however, have little tolerance for it regardless from which direction it comes.
Sinister hacked. Lol.
Well, they don't have my credit card number....
Anyone else nervous?
Poor Nicky.
I was actually just thinking about you today. Hey, that sounds weird. Well, it's true. I said it.I'd be more worried if you were dreaming about me.
Or dreaming about thinking of you. Or thinking about dreaming of you. Ewww, both are creepy.
Ouch. Well, as a vegan, I just pack a lunch and don't make my dietary restrictions my host's problem.Does said lunch come with a little juicebox and a fruit roll-up in one of those brown baggies....? Bonus points if it's a GI Joe lunchbox!
Funny/cute/sad story - We gave our son an Aladdin lunch box back in ~'95, when he was in kindergarten. The pic was the desert sand lion scene. He watched the tape over and over, so we thought it would be perfect.
We didn't find out 'til years later that he was afraid of opening the box, and sometimes skipped lunch. He never said a word, even when questioned about not eating.
He's speaking now. Therapy helped. ;-)
As an omnivore by dietary requirement (I'm allergic to your meat-substitute and lose B12 easily, call it bad genes), I consider veganism more of a thing that other people do. It's a choice that other people are capable of making.
As such I fully admit to going off on vegans who start calling me a murderer without knowing why I have to. But usually we all leave each other alone. Well, maybe we have a good-natured 'ewww' at each other's food once in a while.
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I was once almost able to convince a rather gullible vegetarian that tofu was actually made from ground-up "tofu worms". The only reason she didn't walk away horrorstruck was that I didn't have the heart to go all the way through with the joke, and told her that, no, tofu is actually just bean curd. I'm waaaay too nice.
I was once almost able to convince a rather gullible vegetarian that tofu was actually made from ground-up "tofu worms". The only reason she didn't walk away horrorstruck was that I didn't have the heart to go all the way through with the joke, and told her that, no, tofu is actually just bean curd. I'm waaaay too nice.
lol. My sister had me convinced at age 5 that french fries were skinned, fried worms. When I wouldn't eat them anymore she got my share. I figured it out in a week, and put my brother's smelly socks in her pillowcase. Yeah, I made her pay time and time again. I think she still checks her pillow before resting her head on it, and it's been decades.
Ouch. Well, as a vegan, I just pack a lunch and don't make my dietary restrictions my host's problem.Does said lunch come with a little juicebox and a fruit roll-up in one of those brown baggies....? Bonus points if it's a GI Joe lunchbox!
Funny you should mention lunchboxes... the only one I ever had as a kid was the Star Wars lunchbox with the X-wing flying through space.
I have a lunchbox now, as well... but it's only half the depth of conventional lunchboxery. I just found a picture of it online.
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I got my lunchbox and I'm armed real well.
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I was once almost able to convince a rather gullible vegetarian that tofu was actually made from ground-up "tofu worms". The only reason she didn't walk away horrorstruck was that I didn't have the heart to go all the way through with the joke, and told her that, no, tofu is actually just bean curd. I'm waaaay too nice.
Heheheheh
I got my lunchbox and I'm armed real well.
** spoiler omitted **
Jammin' song.
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Jammin' song.I got my lunchbox and I'm armed real well.
** spoiler omitted **
Damn straight. I kinda miss the nineties sometimes.
Well this is creepy. Looks like someone reads Paizo:
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Don't shoot me: I cringe whenever I hear someone call themselves Vegan. It sounds pretentiously counterculture to the majority of people who don't really know what it means. I think Vegans would be better off simply saying they're vegetarian, a term most people understand and accept. Vegan sounds faintly religious and always makes me think of flying saucer cults...
Don't shoot me: I cringe whenever I hear someone call themselves Vegan. It sounds pretentiously counterculture to the majority of people who don't really know what it means. I think Vegans would be better off simply saying they're vegetarian, a term most people understand and accept. Vegan sounds faintly religious and always makes me thing of flying saucer cults...
Nobody's shooting, and I know you don't mean that offensively, but isn't that really saying, "I think you shouldn't call yourselves what you are because I've developed a bunch of unfair negative associations and judgements against certain belief labels not assigned to my personal set of beliefs, which everyone knows aren't pretentious and are A-ok."
Vegan may sound religious, but I am not religious, nor am I in a cult or presently in a flying saucer (though some might argue), so no can do on the name change to vegetarian which fails to distinguish the difference between the two. That's like saying that Protestants and Catholics should just call themselves Christian, because that which distinguishes them from one another isn't even worth naming.
As for most people understanding and accepting the word vegetarian, it simply doesn't convey the same information, and I find that time and time again, when dining out in different states, everyone knows what vegan means. Whenever I even say vegetarian to a cook in a restaurant they ask, "Are you vegan?" Maybe it's different where some people are, and maybe that's what actually needs to change.
Man, I'm so inspirational. They should do a TV movie about me.
Plea for mercy for this Thanksgiving. I hope everyone reading this will consider going meatless this year, even if it's just for one meal.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/19/dining/19peta.html?_r=1
Mmmmmm....turkey. Yummy, yummy turkey.
Bah. Turkey-Shmurkey. How about a hamburger?
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I'd love to have an intelligent discussion of veganism and the reasoning behind it.
I've looked to see how many people are vegan in the US, but it's hard to pin down. About 5% self-identify as vegetarian, but I've heard people say they were vegetarian because they only eat chicken and/or fish (really!).
It seems to be growing, but some people try it for awhile, then give up. Others love it. It seems many people are more aware of the connection between what's on their plate and how it got there, thanks to documentaries like Earthlings (NSFW). Even environmentalists often ignore the impact of our food choices on the planet.
When I go to cons, it's clear that most gamers aren't particularly worried about what they eat, or how much. With a third of the planet obese or overweight, we're hardly unique.
I necroed this thread, and I'll get the "Mmmmm, bacon!" out of the way.
Vegan Paizonians? More than in 2008? Fewer? Don't think I've ever met one. Represent!
I will agree that how we eat is a huge issue but giving up the all natural nutrition of meat is not the answer
Veganism comes with certain nutritional problems that I have found most vegans are actually not clear on. Primarily, vitamin A and B12 are things that become problems. Now, this still takes a while, and ironically, most vegans quit veganism before ending up with deficiencies. So. It obviously is not a practical problem of note... but I don't understand how someone can go vegan without understanding the nitty gritty details.
I was looking at the list of threads and thought "'Vegan Paizonians', Paizonians from Vegas have their own thread.", two hours later i see the same thread title and I'm like "Oh wait! VEGANS, people who don't eat animal products!"
Not really anything to contribute, but I thought that was weird enough to share.