|Greg A. Vaughan Pathfinder Lead Developer, Frog God Games|
|Greg A. Vaughan Pathfinder Lead Developer, Frog God Games|
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Actually, that's exactly what I'd be looking for. I wouldn't want them to create a new setting disconnected from Pathfinder, I would want the Dark Sun-esque setting to be on one of other planets in the system. I'd want the PS-esque setting to be on the Pathfinder planes.
Okay, got a few more ideas.
In regards to boxed sets, I'd really like to see a sandbox adventure. Mike McArtor and I went around the tree on this one, and his view was that it's either a campaign setting or an adventure and that you can't split the baby. I wouldn't mind seeing you guys give it a try. So, if there were a boxed set which had an elaborate campaign setting, with some villianous organizations poised to take actions, a handful of pre-designed maps and ecounters, random monster tables, etc., that would be perfect. I like the adventure paths, but I ultimately find them too linear for my DM-ing and play style, and I'd love to see what you could do with a much more open product.
Another product I'd like to see is a book about game design which shares your insights as professional designers as to what makes a good adventure and campaign setting. This is a bit more esoteric, but ideally, it would describe what makes for an interesting mix of monsters, treasure, etc. at various levels. What I have in mind is akin to the 4e DMG chapter on encounter templates, but done for PFRPG.
I'd also like a monster book that is to monsters what the PHB is to the character classes. I'm not talking savage species, but rather a book divided into chapters based on type of monster (or some other meaningful distinction) that provides guidelines for advancement, giving them feats, and equipment. Basically, expand on the handful of pages already included in the 3.5 MM that explains how to modify monsters. Ideally, it would also provide guidelines and rules for fudging monsters on the fly. One of the things I like about 4e is the fact that monsters are so easy to reverse engineer - I would really like a product that did something similar for PFRPG monsters in addition to providing a better toolset for building monsters from the ground up. I have zero interest in yet another monster book that's just a list of creatures.
I love this idea. I'd especially like it if it gave a backwards progression, or something like that, for normally powerful monsters. Something like being able to build a gray render to challenge any party level, as an example.
Greg A. Vaughan wrote:
I believe that the D&D psionics rules are OGL, so unless Paizo is wanting to do something different with them (for instance with PfRPG), they already exist in Pathfinder.
That's fine for those who already own the DnD Psionic rules, but with 3.5 out of print and getting harder to find, what about those who don't? For the same reason Pathfinder RPG is required to continue selling Adventure Paths to the gaming public, new and old players alike, even though the rules are OGL.
I've attracted a number of new gamers with Pathfinder, and renewed interest from some current gamers. One of my friends saw a new setting such as Pathfinder as an opportunity to try her hand at a character concept she'd never tried before and asked if she could play a Psionicist - first question I asked her: do you have the rules?
Even reprinting the Psionic OGL rules gives Paizo a lot of scope to customise - look at what they've done with Pathfinder Beta, or Paradigm Concepts with Psionics Unbound for their Arcanis setting.
Or, if it were, say, the Pathfinder version of a supplement like Darksun (perhaps set on one of the other planets in the solar system), Spelljammer (feel free to edit out the silly elements), or Planescape, that would almost certainly peak my interests.
Isn't it "pique"? I just don't think I've ever seen a grammatical error from you. I guess that "peak" also works.
$200 is way out of my price range for any game book. Regardless of what was in it.
I do like the idea of Sebastian's for a MM that provides ways and guidelines for advancing or improving existing monsters.
I think that I'm almost insulted.
It has taken every fiber of my being not to comment on the incredibly poor grammer that I've seen lately. "Where" should have been "we're". Than/then errors all over. Misspellings run rampant. Even harder to spot things like the difference between "sometimes" and "some times". Some posts have been "literally" painful to read. I think I'm going to create an alias "The Grammar Police" and start going around correcting everyone.
A soft-cover Pathfinder Basic, something like the old Basic boxed set from the 70s/80s? (but without the box) detailing character levels 1-3 and some low level monsters, enough to get new or young players into the game, enabling them to play intro-level adventures, or the first chapter of any Adventure Path!
Each Christmas or birthday, I'm always looking for a product like this to introduce young nephews/nieces to the game to capture their imaginations without scaring them off with too much reading or too many rules, something they're able to run with themselves without needing an existing player to hold them by the hand.
Let me think
I agree, and I suspect that is probably something that will be addressed after PfRPG is finalized. However, in the meantime I would suggest checking out www.d20srd.org. I think you'll find it highly useful. I use it every time I write so I don't get mixed up on OGL vs. nonOGL content.
sigh...if only. (I'm looking at you, James.) ;-)
Moff Rimmer wrote:
I really would like it if you could point out mistakes that I make if you see any. My grammar has not been what it was a decade ago and I've forgotten many of the rules of grammar, so if you happen to see any of mine please correct me and let me know what the rule is. Just trying to improve myself a bit. Thanks. Threadjack over.
Greg A. Vaughan wrote:
I am very familiar with www.d20srd.org, and it is highly useful, but only while you're sitting at a computer. It doesn't diminish the need for keeping Psionic rules in print.
I thought I'd follow up on my previous post with something I've found annoying about previous WotC attempts at D&D Basic in recent years, and how Paizo may avoid it with a Pathfinder Basic.
While I was very impressed with the high quality map tiles, and the inclusion of minis, I was less-than-impressed with the rules presentation, and the re-usability (longevity) of the rules. WotC took liberties with the Basic rules, simple things like changing how Initiative worked, the Wizard had more hit points than legal according to the rules as written, points like this left one questioning the rules, causing confusion rather than becoming confident with the rules. And if you joined a full game of D&D with your older cousins, you couldn't really use your D&D Basic rules, you really had to upgrade to the PHB to participate.
To be successful, a Pathfinder Basic needs to be fully compatible with it's bigger Pathfinder RPG brother, to make transition from Pathfinder Basic to RPG and other products a non-issue. No confusing differences, however minor. The only difference between the two rules should be that the hardcover provides more options, higher levels, more feats, more spells. Pathfinder Basic should limit the options available to keep the game easy to learn and keep play fast and easy to manage for new players, but shouldn't compromise on the play experience. Advanced options, CMBs for example, could be left out of the Basic rules, as long as the player classes and creatures included in the Basic book didn't require them.
You should be able to mix Pathfinder Basic players/characters with those using Pathfinder RPG in the same low-level game, at the same table. These shouldn't be two different games - you are playing the SAME game! This is essential.
Some players may be happy playing Basic for years without "upgrading" to Pathfinder RPG, and that's fine, because there are still a wide range of other Paizo products that may appeal to a Basic player. But if they later purchase Pathfinder RPG, their Basic book is still useful to hand to other friends while playing the game.
A Pathfinder Basic book that only covered character levels 1-3 and low-level monsters might also be useful for experienced gamers - play Pathfinder RPG at home, but carry Pathfinder Basic if playing a low-level "away" game - less junk to carry around.
Throw in a Wayfinder compass, and a full color faction lapel pin (set?). Perhaps a new version faction t-shirt...I'd go over 200.
I would pay $200 for a box set if it was sufficiently loaded with cool material. If you are proposing a Paizo Super-Deluxe Ptolus-esque product (box set or not), I'm so there. Maybe an exclusive adventure path available nowhere else.
If you could some how convince WotC to let that super deluxe product be a licensed limited edition Pathfinder version of Savage Tide complete with errata, new bonus adventure and vinyl giant deluxe map of the Isle of Dread ... well, then my $200 is spent.
What? A man can dream can't he?!
Anyways, far more practically, allow me to add my voice in support of a full color vinyl map ala Ptolus of Golarion.
And one of Korvosa wouldn't suck either.
Optional rules for True Magic, ala mage the ascention or ars magica would rock my socks so completely it is unreal.
I'd also like to see a minitures collection for DnD, produced in partnership with Citerdel. Frankly they produce the best looking high quality models for the best price out of just about every one.
I have for years wanted to be able to get good quality minitures for DnD at a reasonable price. I have wanted to be able to buy a couple of boxs of minitures and know i have what i need for an adventure. It was the very randomness of the DnD mini's range(and lower than i would like quality) that put me off DnD mini's. Please of please, make it possible for us to get models that look good, that we know well get what we need.
$200 for a box set? I really can't see how any product could justify that price. Ptolus was a hell of a book, a supreme example of how to put a book together in terms of organization, but even that wasn't really that justifiable at $120. $200? It would have to be a level 15-35 adventure path along the lines of a "Revenge of the Rune Lords" for me to even think about it...
But still, $200? What, are you expecting a print run of 200 copies?
OK, maybe a Age of Worms/Savage Tide updated to Pathfinder 2-in-1 box, but even then, $200?
Moff Rimmer wrote:
At which point, i will have to make an alias 'the dyslexic resistance' and engage in acts of linguistic terrorism against the facist state of Grammar. It is my understanding that English, has no language collage. That there is no 'correct' way of using english beyond common usage.
Sorry for the supremely of topic nature of this post.
This was funny.
There are rules to the English language. The primary reason for this is simply so that other people can understand what you are talking about. "Common usage" may be true for spoken language, but then you don't need to spell things out when you speak.
"English" to my knowledge is always capitalized. A really minor point and normally I wouldn't care.
"of topic" -- Technically this would be closer to "on topic" which is opposite of what you were trying to say. It's pretty easy to spot the typo and see that you simply missed an additional "f" and, again, I would normally ignore this.
"English has no language collage" -- This is the one that got me.
American Heritage Dictionary wrote:
Collage -- An artistic composition of materials and objects pasted over a surface, often with unifying lines and color.
I'm not sure how a language can be a composition of materials and objects pasted over a surface. I guess that you can write out a bunch of words and/or sentences onto different materials and then cut them all out and paste them onto a board in an artistic manner. But then I'm not sure what that has to do the sentence you wrote.
I believe you meant "college" -- in which case I believe that there most likely are some -- there seems to be a college for everything. (Of course there's probably a "collage" for everything as well.)
It like James said, they print all their material in full color. All of the older box sets were black and white (or sepia in the case of Planescape) with few color highlights. That, combined with the quality of the art usually present in Paizo prducts, could easily put the printing costs for such an endeavor up to that mark.
That being said, I'd really like city supplements like the ones WW put out for the Scarred Lands. With big color maps. And city specific PrC's. And encounter tables. And statted NPC's. And... And...
Whew. I guess that's enuf for now.
Moff Rimmer wrote:
Yeah, good luck with that.
Incorrect spelling/grammar isn't necessarily a result of carelessness, laziness or attitude.
So I'd recommend live and let live. Don't sweat the small stuff.
Grammar Police wrote:
English is a living language, unlike french which has the Académie française, english has no governing body, or language college. We have numerous colleges and universities which teach english as a subject, but the language has no governing authority. Until relatively resently all english words where spellt in a personal manner, in fact, the only reason the we spell celerity, the way we do, is due to the fact that it was the personal spelling used by shakespear.
All rules of english as a language exist purely because they are in common use, no higher authority says that a silent E caused a word to use a vowls name rather than sound in itss pronouncation. But we use this system to describe that sound in a word, because we are taught to, and every one else does. This is an example of common use controlling the nature language.
This is also why neologism, Slang and derived words are so common in english and why english is so good at asymilating elements of other languages. For Pukka to Pajamas.
I should note that i am very heavily dyslexic, and the written word is a medium i am really not at home with using, despite loving it. My numerous spelling mistakes are invisible to me. It is not that i do not know the difference between of and off. But when writing, it becomes very hard to remember which i am using. words and letters are, often, little more than lines and sqiggles to me. I merely hope that i manage to express my meaning and some degree of intelligence, despite.
Well, TDR, a really simple thing to remember is that all proper nouns (names and suchlike) always have initial capital letters.
I can't imagine spending the equivalent of $200 dollars on a boxed set, especially not with the overseas value of the pound now decreasing. Even half that would insanely expensive.
I'd pay $200 for a boxed set.
I know it has already been mentioned but I'd also like to see:
Well, it's not something I'd do on a whim, but depending on what was in it...
Yeah, admittedly the box route isn't really friendly to game producers these days. Heck, look at PC games. Getting neat assortments of freebies was almost commonplace back in the good old days. Now you just get two flavors of plastic case.
I would also probably pass on a $200 boxed set. I tend not to really use things like that (though you just have to look at my tags to see that that is somewhat changed of late.)
The content could change my mind, perhaps.
Vinyl map would be awesome, but sounds difficult/expensive.
This really is a must! I realise Pathfinder already have a partnership with a metal minis provider, and that there are hurdles such as finding an inexpensive plastics manufacturer that is even half-way competitive with WotC's product to be viable, but I have been spoiled by the convenience of pre-painted plastic.
Been playing D&D for over 20 years, and never purchased a single mini until WotC launched their pre-painted plastics. Within three years, I now have hundreds (if not thousands?) of the damn things! The pre-painted plastic market, if done right, would seem to be a gold-mine just waiting for the taking!
The Pathfinder brand and campaign elements are becoming more and more recognised. A new player started in my group the other day, playing Ezren's fast-play character from the back of the AP, and I was looking for a mini to represent his character. I kept thinking "now I KNOW I have a bearded wizard mini in a blue outfit around here somewhere" when I was probably just dejavu-ing Ezren as Pathfinder's iconic wizard, and not from my minis collection at all, so ingrained has Ezren's image as an iconic wizard become in my mind.
Pathfinder now has a slew of recognisable characters throughout the iconics and AP NPCs, and a growing number of unique creatures. I can usually find something to resemble each of them amongst D&D minis, but it would be beyond awesome if there were a pre-painted plastic Pathfinder minis line! I'm sure they would appeal to general roleplayers unfamiliar with Pathfinder also, help increase Pathfinder awareness and bring new players to the campaign.
The Ptolus one was about $30 or $40 dollars. I think that might be the case. I know when I bought it at Gencon it was not more than that, though it might have been less. It was huge and well worth the price. Oh, and it did have a pretty limited print run. Paizo might be able to pull off a larger run than Fiery Dragon was able to do.
James Jacobs wrote:
hmm...it would really have to be good for me to plunk down $200. I can go up to $150 without thinking too hard about it. Anything more than that, it would have to be really, really special.
- I wish they would streamline the mechanics more in any place they can and avoid complicating things more. For example I love what they did with skills and special combat maneuvers.
- Wish they would provide more free adventure modules (not entire adventure paths or campaigns; just single adventures) :)
Translation. I would like to see Pathfinder in the German language.
This is already in the planning. Take a look at the [url=http://forum.ulisses-spiele.de/index.php?c=14&sid=4b1354013a10020d5daec62e5de0af20Ulisses Spiele[/url]-boards for more information about the translation.
Playable maps for the Adventure paths. The map folios would be great if they could be used like that.
I'm not adverse to a $200 set provided it has enough content to warrant it. I bought the Ptolus package from White Wolf and it's fuelled multiple campaigns and I'm even starting another one next weekend.
An urban book - I agree with the opinions that Cityscape was a waste. With Absalom coming out and Korvosa already here something to aid and inspire urban games would be great.
Actually, yes. Jacobs is the kind of guy who thinks nothing of dropping crazy amounts of cash on stuff from the H. P. Lovecraft Historical Society, where they'll give you hand-assembled, movie-prop-caliber goodies for a premium price. With box sets costing so much, there was a thought that the only way to do them might be to do target the collectors and do very *few* of them rather than trying to make them affordable. But even that is mostly just idle fancy, given the amount of work that would have to go into creating something like that.
So yeah - we'd all love to see a box set, but I'm given to understand that it just isn't feasible, at least for the moment.
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