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Does anyone have a multiclass character who is both a sorcerer and a wizard?
I am wondering if this combination is extreemely rare.
I kind of expect that it is a rare choice.If you have tried this multiclass combination, what is your take on the pathfinder impact on the character?
If you want to state or rant that this is a stupid and pointless combination then please do not bother to post in this thread.
Thank you.
I've never played one but I did stat one up using the Ultimate Magus PRC in Complete Mage. Seemed like an interesting idea but survivability was highly suspect, and I'd hate to play one from 1st level up. As for Pathfinder, I doubt it would have much impact on the combo since according to the BETA preview the Wizard no longer has Spell-like Abilities. Still it is an interesting idea and I too would be interested if anyone has actually played a Sorcerer/Wizard Multiclass.
I don't know if you would call it a rant but it's not a particularly effective class combination and is in general sub par to straight wizard or Sorcerer. The bulk of a casters power is in their highest level spells and a split level multi class character lacks all the highest level spells.
As mentioned the Ultimate Magus fixes a some of these issues but you have to be very careful building one.
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Without the ultimate magus, it's an incredibly subpar multiclass.
With ultimate magus, you can do some pretty awesome things.
Sorcerer 1/wizard 4/ultimate magus 10: assuming you take Practiced Spellcaster for sorcerer before entering the PrC, you wind up with the casting of a 13th level wizard (CL 17th) and a 9th level sorcerer (CL 17th), all at 15th level. Finish off with 5 levels of archmage and you even get 9th level spells at 19th level, plus other fun toys. It's a pretty sweet deal.
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I don't know if you would call it a rant but it's not a particularly effective class combination and is in general sub par to straight wizard or Sorcerer. The bulk of a casters power is in their highest level spells and a split level multi class character lacks all the highest level spells.
As mentioned the Ultimate Magus fixes a some of these issues but you have to be very careful building one.
Ultimate Magus is far better if combining with a Beguiler or Warmage than Sorc/Wizard. Mostly because Sorcs stink.
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Does anyone have a multiclass character who is both a sorcerer and a wizard?
I am wondering if this combination is extreemely rare.
I kind of expect that it is a rare choice.If you have tried this multiclass combination, what is your take on the pathfinder impact on the character?
If you want to state or rant that this is a stupid and pointless combination then please do not bother to post in this thread.
Thank you.
I've allowed it in my games. It's alot of fun to play. Go for it.
Thoth-Amon
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Ultimate Magus is far better if combining with a Beguiler or Warmage than Sorc/Wizard. Mostly because Sorcs stink.
I disagree. Most ultimate magus builds wind up with so few levels in the spontaneous casting class that you really don't get any of the class features out of it, and the specialization inherent in the warmage and beguiler classes doesn't really synergize well with the way an ultimate magus works, where you want to use the spontaneous casting slots for utility spells and as slots to burn for metamagic effects. The flexibility of the sorcerer makes it a better choice in that context.
I disagree. Most ultimate magus builds wind up with so few levels in the spontaneous casting class that you really don't get any of the class features out of it, and the specialization inherent in the warmage and beguiler classes doesn't really synergize well with the way an ultimate magus works, where you want to use the spontaneous casting slots for utility spells and as slots to burn for metamagic effects. The flexibility of the sorcerer makes it a better choice in that context.
Beguiler's used often in CharOp builds because of the Int synergy (so they only have to have 1 casting stat and can dump Cha).
Ultimate Magus is far better if combining with a Beguiler or Warmage than Sorc/Wizard. Mostly because Sorcs stink.
Does a character really have a broader spell list if every single spell on his list does exactly the same thing? Warmage is the most one dimensional caster ever. It is denied all of the most powerful spells in the game. Haste, Fly, Black Tentacles, Invisibility... tons more, all forever out of reach of the warmage... yet people insist it's superior to the sorcerer. I don't get it. I don't even think you can use scrolls with these spells.
Teleport, Wall of Stone, Mirror Image, Dispel Magic, Web, Wish, Stinking Cloud, Grease
Warmage gets a big list of 101 ways bust out the d6s.
I'm not so sure about the beguiler but I suspect they can't fly :(
Beguiler's used often in CharOp builds because of the Int synergy (so they only have to have 1 casting stat and can dump Cha).
That's a good point. I'm not sure how many levels you are talking about though, you can stuff utility spells in sorcerer though where high DC isn't as important. Personally I'd rather have Fly than many of the beguiler spells.
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I currently have a character that is a Sor 2/Wiz 3/Ultimate Magus 14, and the DM expressed he wants to go well into epic levels. My only problem is what i'm going to do after i hit UM 15, if i go back to Sor or Wiz, i'll be sacrificing one or the other spellcasting class. There aren't any other PrCs that help make both spellcasting classes advance simultaneously. And i wont qualify for Archmage until almost 20th level. Sorcerer Wizard combo is a 'nifty' idea, and the Ultimate Magus helps out a lot, i recommend playing Ultimate Magus only if you're not going all the way to level 20.. Personally, i play mages a lot, and after this, i'm never playing a Sor/Wiz/UM again..
I currently have a character that is a Sor 2/Wiz 3/Ultimate Magus 14, and the DM expressed he wants to go well into epic levels. My only problem is what i'm going to do after i hit UM 15, if i go back to Sor or Wiz, i'll be sacrificing one or the other spellcasting class. There aren't any other PrCs that help make both spellcasting classes advance simultaneously. And i wont qualify for Archmage until almost 20th level. Sorcerer Wizard combo is a 'nifty' idea, and the Ultimate Magus helps out a lot, i recommend playing Ultimate Magus only if you're not going all the way to level 20.. Personally, i play mages a lot, and after this, i'm never playing a Sor/Wiz/UM again..
So your character level is 19, what is your effective sorcerer level and wizard level?
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I currently have a character that is a Sor 2/Wiz 3/Ultimate Magus 14, and the DM expressed he wants to go well into epic levels. My only problem is what i'm going to do after i hit UM 15, if i go back to Sor or Wiz, i'll be sacrificing one or the other spellcasting class. There aren't any other PrCs that help make both spellcasting classes advance simultaneously. And i wont qualify for Archmage until almost 20th level. Sorcerer Wizard combo is a 'nifty' idea, and the Ultimate Magus helps out a lot, i recommend playing Ultimate Magus only if you're not going all the way to level 20.. Personally, i play mages a lot, and after this, i'm never playing a Sor/Wiz/UM again..So your character level is 19, what is your effective sorcerer level and wizard level?
Sorry, i mis-typed that.. Sor 2/Wiz 3/UM 9
Caster level 13 each, chose spells as 10thThe only real benefit that i seem to notice from playing this PrC is the Augmented Casting ability it gets at 3rd level, it's neat and all, but multiclassing as a wiz/sor has really turned me off of playing a mage for a while after this.
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I've done this a few times. Though not with the Ultimate Magus PrC. I just happen to think there is nothing Prestigious about that class and don't use it. the only time you want to multi class with the two of them is to cherry pick a level of Sorcerer to be able to use wands and such from a restricted spell list, and then go specialist wizard.
nothing seems to work well though for a character concept of a magician who is born with natural power but then studies hard to make the most of it. Sort of like a Sorcerer who gets more spells known for learning how to cast as a wizard. Thats a PrC that I would like to see.
I am building an Ultimate Magus using Bard-Wizard instead of sorcerer. So far it seems to be working fine. Bard 5 (for the Loremaster ability, which is a blast) + Wizard 3 and ready to go into Ult. Magus. Bard spell selection offers more diversity (including healing spells) and a good cushion of HPs. Bardic music also comes in handy.
Does anyone have a multiclass character who is both a sorcerer and a wizard?
For certain concepts, a sorcerer/wizard works well. Even without the ultimate magus PrC, there can be a benefit. For instance, taking one level of sorcerer allows a 3.x specialist wizard to use spell trigger and spell completion items in their prohibited schools (in fact, this was explicitly mentioned in Tome and Blood).
A bard/wizard can be a lot of fun, also.
I currently have a character that is a Sor 2/Wiz 3/Ultimate Magus 14, and the DM expressed he wants to go well into epic levels. My only problem is what i'm going to do after i hit UM 15, if i go back to Sor or Wiz, i'll be sacrificing one or the other spellcasting class.
Epic level progression allows a character to continue advancing in a PrC, as long as 1) the PrC has at least 10 levels, 2) the PC has "maxed out" the PrC, and 3) the PC has at least 20 class levels/HD. A sorcerer 2/wizard 3/ultimate magus 15 can advance in ultimate magus levels for their epic progression, gaining all regularly increasing benefits and bonus epic feats. See here (I know it says "ten-level prestige class," but the epic rules were originally written for 3.0, which didn't have PrCs with more than 10 levels at the time, IIRC).
I did with a variant Spellcaster and a Wizard before there was the Beguiler class and it worked well.
Works great with a Beguiler and a Wizard going Ultimate Magus.
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I currently have a character that is a Sor 2/Wiz 3/Ultimate Magus 14, and the DM expressed he wants to go well into epic levels. My only problem is what i'm going to do after i hit UM 15, if i go back to Sor or Wiz, i'll be sacrificing one or the other spellcasting class.Epic level progression allows a character to continue advancing in a PrC, as long as 1) the PrC has at least 10 levels, 2) the PC has "maxed out" the PrC, and 3) the PC has at least 20 class levels/HD. A sorcerer 2/wizard 3/ultimate magus 15 can advance in ultimate magus levels for their epic progression, gaining all regularly increasing benefits and bonus epic feats. See here (I know it says "ten-level prestige class," but the epic rules were originally written for 3.0, which didn't have PrCs with more than 10 levels at the time, IIRC).
I corrected myself in a later post, i meant Ultimate Magus 9. I was tired when i posted that.
