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In the Gazetteer page 19, it says that Asmodeus locks away a object known as the Armageddon engine. After reading this i was very excited what it could be that the gods have to enter a pack with a devil to protect themselves and the world.
Me and my dm was discussing future games when it hit me "a time machine" capable of going back to the beginning of time itself to undo the gods themselves from history!
I think it's such a great concept that someone should use it! we are already going to have a time machine in our game so this might be wasted idea if no one uses it!

Our Galorion is going to be sooooooooo pulpy! I already suggested to dm that i would love to fight against Tripods! That would be attacking Korvosa!


The quicksilver hourglass from Dungeon (can't remember the issue) from the module with the same name. Unfortunately that's not open content...

Paizo Employee Editor-in-Chief

axraelshelm wrote:
Our Galorion is going to be sooooooooo pulpy! I already suggested to dm that i would love to fight against Tripods! That would be attacking Korvosa!

Tripods make their first appearance in iPathfinder in #14. Don't get too excited though, it’s just in an art piece in the background. But they're still there!

Taldor

F. Wesley Schneider wrote:
axraelshelm wrote:
Our Galorion is going to be sooooooooo pulpy! I already suggested to dm that i would love to fight against Tripods! That would be attacking Korvosa!
Tripods make their first appearance in iPathfinder in #14. Don't get too excited though, it’s just in an art piece in the background. But they're still there!

iPathfinder!! Great idea, Wes!

Paizo Employee Editor-in-Chief

Mr. Slaad wrote:
iPathfinder!! Great idea, Wes!

Wow. Called on it before I could even make the edit. Fine. Let it be known, iPathfinder was MY idea and I get 40% of the profits! :P


F. Wesley Schneider wrote:
axraelshelm wrote:
Our Galorion is going to be sooooooooo pulpy! I already suggested to dm that i would love to fight against Tripods! That would be attacking Korvosa!
Tripods make their first appearance in iPathfinder in #14. Don't get too excited though, it’s just in an art piece in the background. But they're still there!

Imagine it the Acadamaes students out enforce casting spells against the alien invaders, a barbarian hero lifting one tripod and throwing it at another, the Sable company flies in through the air, all while the city burns and is dying if the heroes don't do something fast against the Tripods aswell as saving the local people!

I'm so excited!

Contributor

axraelshelm wrote:
In the Gazetteer page 19, it says that Asmodeus locks away a object known as the Armageddon engine. After reading this i was very excited what it could be that the gods have to enter a pack with a devil to protect themselves and the world.

Perhaps it's a gigantic bluff on his part, and the engine doesn't actually exist. Perhaps it does, but he has no idea how to use it, or can't use it. Perhaps he's not threatening use of it as a trump card, but rather he's one of the only beings capable of keeping it locked away and sequestered from harming the multiverse (leveraged with a hefty dose of his own enlightened self-interest).

So many potential ways that yummy little plot hook could go.

Taldor

Pathfinder Comics Subscriber; Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules, Tales Subscriber
F. Wesley Schneider wrote:
axraelshelm wrote:
Our Galorion is going to be sooooooooo pulpy! I already suggested to dm that i would love to fight against Tripods! That would be attacking Korvosa!
Tripods make their first appearance in iPathfinder in #14. Don't get too excited though, it’s just in an art piece in the background. But they're still there!

I'll play Nemo if we can find someone twisted enough to play Hyde; and the couple playing Mina and Quatermain keep it off table...


GeraintElberion wrote:
F. Wesley Schneider wrote:
axraelshelm wrote:
Our Galorion is going to be sooooooooo pulpy! I already suggested to dm that i would love to fight against Tripods! That would be attacking Korvosa!
Tripods make their first appearance in iPathfinder in #14. Don't get too excited though, it’s just in an art piece in the background. But they're still there!
I'll play Nemo if we can find someone twisted enough to play Hyde; and the couple playing Mina and Quatermain keep it off table...

So no one would play the invisible Man then? snigger. There are Dinosaurs in the land under the surface of the world at Realm of the Mammoth lords... there are so much in Gorlonion. It's realy a fantasy/...... game

Pick fantasy and add another genre whatever you want. Korvosa can be done as a western, Cheliax can be used as Cohen. I know Cohen is not a genre persay but would you like to tell him THAT?

Qadira

Tripods and Time Engines and Druids dont get to have Steam Pistols and Tech powered by their own spells. There is something wrong here...

Andoran

axraelshelm wrote:

In the Gazetteer page 19, it says that Asmodeus locks away a object known as the Armageddon engine. After reading this i was very excited what it could be that the gods have to enter a pack with a devil to protect themselves and the world.

Me and my dm was discussing future games when it hit me "a time machine" capable of going back to the beginning of time itself to undo the gods themselves from history!
I think it's such a great concept that someone should use it! we are already going to have a time machine in our game so this might be wasted idea if no one uses it!

Our Galorion is going to be sooooooooo pulpy! I already suggested to dm that i would love to fight against Tripods! That would be attacking Korvosa!

My reading on that section in the Gazetteer made me figure the Armageddon Engine was another name for the Tarrasque...

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Winteraven wrote:
My reading on that section in the Gazetteer made me figure the Armageddon Engine was another name for the Tarrasque...

That's more or less correct.

Osirion

James Jacobs wrote:
Winteraven wrote:
My reading on that section in the Gazetteer made me figure the Armageddon Engine was another name for the Tarrasque...
That's more or less correct.

Cyborg tarrasque then?

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Jal Dorak wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Winteraven wrote:
My reading on that section in the Gazetteer made me figure the Armageddon Engine was another name for the Tarrasque...
That's more or less correct.
Cyborg tarrasque then?

Except for the cyborg part? Yup.

Osirion

James Jacobs wrote:
Jal Dorak wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Winteraven wrote:
My reading on that section in the Gazetteer made me figure the Armageddon Engine was another name for the Tarrasque...
That's more or less correct.
Cyborg tarrasque then?

Except for the cyborg part? Yup.

Non-cyborg cyborg-tarrasque, eh?

Hmm, so to run the Armageddon Engine, all I have to do is make a cyborg template, apply it to the tarrasque, and then apply an anti-cyborg template to cancel it out.

I am a genius! ;)


Jal Dorak wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Jal Dorak wrote:
James Jacobs wrote:
Winteraven wrote:
My reading on that section in the Gazetteer made me figure the Armageddon Engine was another name for the Tarrasque...
That's more or less correct.
Cyborg tarrasque then?

Except for the cyborg part? Yup.

Non-cyborg cyborg-tarrasque, eh?

Hmm, so to run the Armageddon Engine, all I have to do is make a cyborg template, apply it to the tarrasque, and then apply an anti-cyborg template to cancel it out.

I am a genius! ;)

Hmmm It sounds too easy to make the Tarrasque as the Armageddon engine just because the Tarrasque was already mentioned earliar on in the time line as a spawn or Rovagug.

This is a perfect Opportunity to make something very abstact like changing the fabric of the world or is a giant airship or It's a key that opens all doors of any PRISON. You know something big and juicy plot hook for the dm to play with.

Paizo Employee Creative Director

axraelshelm wrote:

Hmmm It sounds too easy to make the Tarrasque as the Armageddon engine just because the Tarrasque was already mentioned earliar on in the time line as a spawn or Rovagug.

This is a perfect Opportunity to make something very abstact like changing the fabric of the world or is a giant airship or It's a key that opens all doors of any PRISON. You know something big and juicy plot hook for the dm to play with.

The Tarrasque is indeed one of the spawn of Rovagug. That isn't going to change. Whether or not the name "Armageddon Engine" lasts much longer is up in the air, though... as is the concept of anything being called an "engine" in Golarion. The word kinda triggers my anachronisim sense...


James Jacobs wrote:
axraelshelm wrote:

Hmmm It sounds too easy to make the Tarrasque as the Armageddon engine just because the Tarrasque was already mentioned earliar on in the time line as a spawn or Rovagug.

This is a perfect Opportunity to make something very abstact like changing the fabric of the world or is a giant airship or It's a key that opens all doors of any PRISON. You know something big and juicy plot hook for the dm to play with.
The Tarrasque is indeed one of the spawn of Rovagug. That isn't going to change. Whether or not the name "Armageddon Engine" lasts much longer is up in the air, though... as is the concept of anything being called an "engine" in Golarion. The word kinda triggers my anachronisim sense...

oh please keep it in! It's sounds great, very pulpy. It MIght be anything I just want it too be a time machine that can go back to the beginnning of Galorian

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Cyborg template: Victor Stone.

Anti-cyborg template: Summer Glau.

And James, 'engine' dates back to the 1200's per dictionary.com so it seems good.


Matthew Morris wrote:

And James, 'engine' dates back to the 1200's per dictionary.com so it seems good.

Yup, Siege Engine is an acceptable early use of the word. The only complaint could be that the definition of Engine usually implies a mechanical device for converting one form of energy to another form. As far as I am aware the Tarrasque is not a construct.

Grand Lodge

All DMs are evil wrote:
Matthew Morris wrote:

And James, 'engine' dates back to the 1200's per dictionary.com so it seems good.

Yup, Siege Engine is an acceptable early use of the word. The only complaint could be that the definition of Engine usually implies a mechanical device for converting one form of energy to another form. As far as I am aware the Tarrasque is not a construct.

Since this is a fantasy setting, our decidedly non fantasy definitions would need to be tweaked to take into account the fantasy situation.

Additionally, it was my impression that "Amageddon Engine" is more of a title, or name, as it it capitalized, than a description. For example, The Rock, is in fact, not a rock, nor any other kind of mineral deposit, but no one is seriously complaining about his name.

I very much like the name Armageddon Engine for the Tarrasque. It elicits visions of the monsters true purpose.

Andoran

Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Pawns, Roleplaying Game, Tales Subscriber
Krome wrote:
I very much like the name Armageddon Engine for the Tarrasque. It elicits visions of the monsters true purpose.

I agree. The Tarrasque is an archetypal beast that would likely have many different names in many different cultures. Additionally, it's such an iconic creature in D&D that giving it alternate names reinvigorates the concept.

Andoran

Belfur wrote:
The quicksilver hourglass from Dungeon (can't remember the issue) from the module with the same name. Unfortunately that's not open content...

Issue 123. I remember off the top of my head because it was my first Dungeon issue.


I don't know guys, as a title fair enough, but don't you think it's a waste? Such a iconic and pulpy name just given to a already established beast?
Don't you guys just want to do something abit more out "there" with this? something abit more manic laughter worthy?

Paizo Employee Creative Director

axraelshelm wrote:

I don't know guys, as a title fair enough, but don't you think it's a waste? Such a iconic and pulpy name just given to a already established beast?

Don't you guys just want to do something abit more out "there" with this? something abit more manic laughter worthy?

Here I'd have to disagree. Giving an iconic, cool name to an established creature (especially a unique one like the Tarrasque) is a GREAT way to give that creature some world-specific flavor. In addition... as fun as it is to put in new stuff... I generally try to err on the side of using established content over re-inventing the wheel. Everyone knows that the tarrasque is a bad-ass, and has been for decades in the game. Creating something that's "EVEN BETTER" than him is a sort of "This one goes up to 11" mindset that I find insulting and overly egotistical.

SO! That's why we made the Tarrasque the greatest of Rovagug's spawn, not the second greatest. And that's why giving him a cool name is important.

Andoran

Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Pawns, Roleplaying Game, Tales Subscriber

When I see that term, I have a vision of a scholar reading the name from among a litany: "It is the first of Rovagug's children: the Armageddon Engine, the World Ender, the Sleeper That Must Not Awaken, ..." That kind of thing.

I think the biggest mistake ever made in a monster manual was actually drawing a picture of the tarrasque. It should be something incomprehensible...something described only in brief, incomplete flashes...leaving the entirety to each player's imagination. I think the best example of this was the monster in "Cloverfield." I desperately wanted to see the whole thing, but I know that if I had, I would have lost the sense of horrific wonder I got from just seeing parts of it in quick flashes.

Osirion

Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber; Pathfinder Companion Subscriber

PF#15's title is the Armageddon Echo...

Grand Lodge

Mactaka wrote:
PF#15's title is the Armageddon Echo...

O... C R A P !

Andoran

axraelshelm wrote:

I don't know guys, as a title fair enough, but don't you think it's a waste? Such a iconic and pulpy name just given to a already established beast?

Don't you guys just want to do something abit more out "there" with this? something abit more manic laughter worthy?

Goblins were already established. Look at the Pathfinder ones. Just because it's already good doesn't mean it can't be improved without creating a replacement.


James Jacobs wrote:
axraelshelm wrote:

I don't know guys, as a title fair enough, but don't you think it's a waste? Such a iconic and pulpy name just given to a already established beast?

Don't you guys just want to do something abit more out "there" with this? something abit more manic laughter worthy?

Here I'd have to disagree. Giving an iconic, cool name to an established creature (especially a unique one like the Tarrasque) is a GREAT way to give that creature some world-specific flavor. In addition... as fun as it is to put in new stuff... I generally try to err on the side of using established content over re-inventing the wheel. Everyone knows that the tarrasque is a bad-ass, and has been for decades in the game. Creating something that's "EVEN BETTER" than him is a sort of "This one goes up to 11" mindset that I find insulting and overly egotistical.

SO! That's why we made the Tarrasque the greatest of Rovagug's spawn, not the second greatest. And that's why giving him a cool name is important.

I have to say I didn't mean another "monster" by saying abit more out "there" The Tarrasque is the Tarrasque there's no denying of it's rightful place as meanest bad ass of Rovagug.

BUT as a game that uses the imagination of players and dms alike I like to promote a tangent way of thinking on the gamers part, rather than this is the way the world is and this is how it should be attitude.

Anyway it was the open endedness of the Armageddon engine that I liked and that it promoted me to imagine what CAN it be?!?
And too call it as a established monster kind of takes the wind out of my wings abit.

So for me anyway titles are great but this one should be left to the imagination. For me it's a time travel device linked to the beginning of Golarions History to stop it from happening effect erase it from history, or a magical key that unlocks all doors and maybe the one where the Tarrasques is kept or a Transdimensional doorway through the Realm of Madness where "Those that shouldn't be" are from and to open it is to merge Golarion with it.

Two of these are from me and one is from my boss that I just mentioned the name in conversation with. And I bet many others can come up with better ones still!
Thats why just giving it to a established monster is a waste not because theres a better monster but a better idea that each group can make its own.


[Insert Neat Username Here] wrote:
axraelshelm wrote:

I don't know guys, as a title fair enough, but don't you think it's a waste? Such a iconic and pulpy name just given to a already established beast?

Don't you guys just want to do something abit more out "there" with this? something abit more manic laughter worthy?
Goblins were already established. Look at the Pathfinder ones. Just because it's already good doesn't mean it can't be improved without creating a replacement.

Improving is good but what are you trying to express? Goblins are described differently depending on the setting and novels and I have too agree Pathfinder breathed life into old monsters that is great. What I'm trying to get at with the Armageddon Engine is that it's open ended.

I had already spoken why I don't want it for the Tarrasque.
I'm not saying it's a bad thing to do to call the Tarrasque that I just think it's a wasted opportunity to do something different for every group.

Paizo Employee Publisher, Chief Creative Officer

I like calling the Tarrasque the Armageddon Engine.

But then I would, because I gave it that name in the first place. :)

And James, please take your phobia of the word engine and launch it far away with a trebuchet. :)

Paizo Employee Creative Director

Erik Mona wrote:

I like calling the Tarrasque the Armageddon Engine.

But then I would, because I gave it that name in the first place. :)

And James, please take your phobia of the word engine and launch it far away with a trebuchet. :)

I thought the company trebuchet was in the shop?

Qadira RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16

Erik Mona wrote:

I like calling the Tarrasque the Armageddon Engine.

But then I would, because I gave it that name in the first place. :)

by the way, Erik, congratulations on your 3500th post. (It's like the guy writes a lot or something.)


Erik Mona wrote:

I like calling the Tarrasque the Armageddon Engine.

But then I would, because I gave it that name in the first place. :)

And James, please take your phobia of the word engine and launch it far away with a trebuchet. :)

"sunk several feet lower" And I thought it was just the same year! look right, look left whispers in Eriks ear "okay how about I just THINK of it as open ended?" It's been a long time since my creative juices have been flowing!

Love the world by the way! My first character in this world would be a Half-Orc, cleric of Sarenrae, from Korvosa.


James Jacobs wrote:
"This one goes up to 11"

Classic "This is Spinal Tap" :-)

I'll never look at the Tarrasque the same way again.

RPG Superstar 2008 Top 32

Didn't the gods also lock Rovugug himself within the world? Couldn't the Armageddon Engine be the god himself?

Cheliax

James Jacobs wrote:
[The Tarrasque is indeed one of the spawn of Rovagug. That isn't going to change. Whether or not the name "Armageddon Engine" lasts much longer is up in the air, though... as is the concept of anything being called an "engine" in Golarion. The word kinda triggers my anachronisim sense...

I had always considered the Tarrasque as THE Tarrasque, singular, and I did not like it when it started popping out in several adventure modules almost as a simple side note [the final Bloodstone module being a glaring example of this].

In the 1 ed Dungeonmasters Guide there was a refference to 'the Beast' in the flavor excerpt to the Codex of Infinite Planes, I always thought of that 'beast' as the Beast of the end of times, i.e. the Beast of the Armagedon.

Enter the Tarrasque in MM II.

Perfect fit ! So the Tarrasque has always been and will continue to be my campaign's Beast of the Armagedon.

Wailling Efreet and all.


Ross Byers wrote:
Didn't the gods also lock Rovugug himself within the world? Couldn't the Armageddon Engine be the god himself?

I must confes that is how I read the text also. The T should not be so powerful that the Gods would need Asmodeus to containt it. Now, putting away Rovagug is another matter entirely... :-)

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