Anyone else turned on by Zon-Kuthon?


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Maybe it's my pent-up sadistic side, or the repressed masochist hidden inside me, but reading the Zon-Kuthon article sorta turned me on. Anyone else get the urge to out and buy some leather and partake in some self-mutilation when perusing the newest issue of Pathfinder?

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yoda8myhead wrote:
Maybe it's my pent-up sadistic side, or the repressed masochist hidden inside me, but reading the Zon-Kuthon article sorta turned me on. Anyone else get the urge to out and buy some leather and partake in some self-mutilation when perusing the newest issue of Pathfinder?

Haven't seen the article myself, but I keep having the urge to convert the "Chained Purifier" prestige class from the Scarred Land to function as a Zon-Kuthon based prestige class. That and the "Monk of the Sacred Chain" prestige class.

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David Fryer wrote:
yoda8myhead wrote:
Maybe it's my pent-up sadistic side, or the repressed masochist hidden inside me, but reading the Zon-Kuthon article sorta turned me on. Anyone else get the urge to out and buy some leather and partake in some self-mutilation when perusing the newest issue of Pathfinder?
Haven't seen the article myself, but I keep having the urge to convert the "Chained Purifier" prestige class from the Scarred Land to function as a Zon-Kuthon based prestige class. That and the "Monk of the Sacred Chain" prestige class.

I am working up my Pathfinder Society background now for a LN monk of Zon-Kuthon, so I might check into those, not that they'd be tournament-legal, but still. What sourcebooks are they from?

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yoda8myhead wrote:
Anyone else get the urge to out and buy some leather and partake in some self-mutilation when perusing the newest issue of Pathfinder?

Umm... totally not one to judge, but... uh, no.

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yoda8myhead wrote:
David Fryer wrote:
yoda8myhead wrote:
Maybe it's my pent-up sadistic side, or the repressed masochist hidden inside me, but reading the Zon-Kuthon article sorta turned me on. Anyone else get the urge to out and buy some leather and partake in some self-mutilation when perusing the newest issue of Pathfinder?
Haven't seen the article myself, but I keep having the urge to convert the "Chained Purifier" prestige class from the Scarred Land to function as a Zon-Kuthon based prestige class. That and the "Monk of the Sacred Chain" prestige class.
I am working up my Pathfinder Society background now for a LN monk of Zon-Kuthon, so I might check into those, not that they'd be tournament-legal, but still. What sourcebooks are they from?

Both are from Calastia: Throne of the Black Dragon. It's from White Wolf, and currently out of print. It's $4.99 for the PDF at Drivethrurpg.com, since Paizo doesn't have it.

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I'm afraid it hasn't tweaked me nipples either I'm afraid. It's really good, just not...that way.

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May I suggest the E.N. Arsenal Series: Spiked Chain PDF from EN Publishing? In addition to different kinds of spiked chain weapons, they have some new feats that could come in handy, as well as a few new prestige classes: a spiked chain fighter (a.k.a. Scorpion Warrior), a magic-user who spells that become chain-like (a.k.a. the raveller) and even something about chain using monks. On top of that, I even think there's something about a chains divine domain.


yoda8myhead wrote:
Maybe it's my pent-up sadistic side, or the repressed masochist hidden inside me, but reading the Zon-Kuthon article sorta turned me on. Anyone else get the urge to out and buy some leather and partake in some self-mutilation when perusing the newest issue of Pathfinder?

No, but it will have my players shaking their heads next week when I start incessantly quoting Hellraiser.


yoda8myhead wrote:
Anyone else get the urge to out and buy some leather and partake in some self-mutilation when perusing the newest issue of Pathfinder?

Uhm.... no? Haven't read it yet, but I think I'll save up my turn-ons for a Calistria or at least Shelyn article.

But by the way, I bet you like the Iron Cages of Lust from Sins of our Saviours. Not that I don't like it. You'd just have to go in there bristling with magical protection.


Nice to see an evil deity that is EVIL. No shades of grey here.

And yes, I was getting a Hellraiser vibe from it too. Going to need to create some rules for Cenobites now.


*backs slowly away from this thread*

I edited that article. I still have nightmares.


Joshua J. Frost wrote:

*backs slowly away from this thread*

I edited that article. I still have nightmares.

You see, that's what I want to hear about articles about evil deities. This isn't Walt Disney's Dungeons and Dragons, where the evil guys do something as villainous as leaving someone for dead or have the fond wish of becoming a bit more powerful. This is Pathfinder(aaaaaaaa!), where evil is still evil and giving people nightmares. That's evil you can fight with all the dirty tricks in the book and still feel good about yourself. Knee-deep in gore and still feeling heroic!

But I hope you'll be able to sleep soundly again soon. We really appreciate the sacrifice you make for us. Have a glass of warm milk. I hear cows can cast protection from evil on their milk at will.

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yoda8myhead wrote:
David Fryer wrote:
yoda8myhead wrote:
Maybe it's my pent-up sadistic side, or the repressed masochist hidden inside me, but reading the Zon-Kuthon article sorta turned me on. Anyone else get the urge to out and buy some leather and partake in some self-mutilation when perusing the newest issue of Pathfinder?
Haven't seen the article myself, but I keep having the urge to convert the "Chained Purifier" prestige class from the Scarred Land to function as a Zon-Kuthon based prestige class. That and the "Monk of the Sacred Chain" prestige class.
I am working up my Pathfinder Society background now for a LN monk of Zon-Kuthon, so I might check into those, not that they'd be tournament-legal, but still. What sourcebooks are they from?

I finished my conversion work and posted them up here. Let me know what you think.

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yoda8myhead wrote:
Maybe it's my pent-up sadistic side, or the repressed masochist hidden inside me, but reading the Zon-Kuthon article sorta turned me on. Anyone else get the urge to out and buy some leather and partake in some self-mutilation when perusing the newest issue of Pathfinder?

Of course, if you were really into self-mutilation, you could just play 4th Edition . . .


yoda8myhead wrote:
Anyone else get the urge to out and buy some leather and partake in some self-mutilation when perusing the newest issue of Pathfinder?

Yikes! No, I actually had some very disturbing dreams last night after reading about the Joyful ones.

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Gray wrote:
yoda8myhead wrote:
Anyone else get the urge to out and buy some leather and partake in some self-mutilation when perusing the newest issue of Pathfinder?
Yikes! No, I actually had some very disturbing dreams last night after reading about the Joyful ones.

Ok then! I get from the unanimous nightmare responses that I am alone on this. Time to join yet another messageboard, though I don't know if my office's web-filters will allow to me to go to the good ones.

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yoda8myhead wrote:
Ok then! I get from the unanimous nightmare responses that I am alone on this. Time to join yet another messageboard, though I don't know if my office's web-filters will allow to me to go to the good ones.

Try www.leatherfiend.com or www.BigDaddysPolyvynylLoveMasters.net That should be the...uh, ball gag in your...mouth. I don't know, I'll stop there.

EDIT: I don't know if those are actual web sites or not. I stick with www.interracialrussiantrannymidgetporn.org, that's just my kink.

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I tried to push the envelope on that article without getting explicit in all the details. There's enough hints at the REALLY weird stuff going on that I guess you all "got it," which is ... good?

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I haven't gotten the issue yet but I'm already imagining every male Zon-Kuthonite cleric talking with that Clive Barker croak.

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Sean K Reynolds wrote:
I tried to push the envelope on that article without getting explicit in all the details. There's enough hints at the REALLY weird stuff going on that I guess you all "got it," which is ... good?

I like that it was not too explicit. Teasing fits right in with the leather and chains.


Sean K Reynolds wrote:
I tried to push the envelope on that article without getting explicit in all the details. There's enough hints at the REALLY weird stuff going on that I guess you all "got it," which is ... good?

I'll add that I like the article. It caused enough disturbing images that I awoke at night thinking about it. I especially liked the section on "A Cleric's Role" and sample followers. I like the aspect of a villain who still acts as the protector of a community (who may not even know how evil he is). It certainly breathed some life into the cult that I would have probably overlooked.

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Finally got the issue a few days ago, haven't read the article yet, but no, not turned on by Zon-Kuthon. Frightened? Yes. Turned on? No.

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yoda8myhead wrote:
David Fryer wrote:
yoda8myhead wrote:
Maybe it's my pent-up sadistic side, or the repressed masochist hidden inside me, but reading the Zon-Kuthon article sorta turned me on. Anyone else get the urge to out and buy some leather and partake in some self-mutilation when perusing the newest issue of Pathfinder?
Haven't seen the article myself, but I keep having the urge to convert the "Chained Purifier" prestige class from the Scarred Land to function as a Zon-Kuthon based prestige class. That and the "Monk of the Sacred Chain" prestige class.
I am working up my Pathfinder Society background now for a LN monk of Zon-Kuthon, so I might check into those, not that they'd be tournament-legal, but still. What sourcebooks are they from?

My PFS character is a LN fighter of Zon-Kuthon doing the spike chain route. It is going to be fun.

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yoda8myhead wrote:
Anyone else get the urge to out and buy some leather and partake in some self-mutilation when perusing the newest issue of Pathfinder?

Of course! It's the same every month since the very first issue! :D

*whips himself while thinking about the delightful stuff mistress Jacobs and her minions are cooking up each month*


Came looking for graphic hard-core Zon-Kuthon on minion action... leaves disappointed.

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veector wrote:
Came looking for graphic hard-core Zon-Kuthon on minion action... leaves disappointed.

Maybe a fan-service commission is in order.

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Where'd Boomer get himself off to? ZK looks right up Hennet's alley.


Hennet is a "kinky bondage fetishist..." Quite right.

Being turned on by Zon-Kuthon is a very delicate question.

Do I like self-mutilation? No. Piercings are perfectly fine though and often quite enjoyed! Removing ones upper lip completely? Not very sexy.

Leather? Absolutely!

Whips? In proper circumstances.

Chains/Tied-up? Proper circumstances.

Hardcore Bondage (ballgags, straight jackets, asphyxial erotica)? Not really my speed.

Some intentional pain? Absolutely.

If I had clerical abilities, I am sure I'd be more devout. Goes and changes his patron deity in profile. Now its Calistria and Zon-Kuthon.

I think I qualify as a lay follower now.

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Yasha0006 wrote:

I think I qualify as a lay follower now.

Oh joy! It is so nice to see that I am not alone.


The true question Yoda is this.

Was it Zon-Kuthon himself that you find so alluring, or was it thinking of the religious practices and a certain follower of his?

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Yasha0006 wrote:

The true question Yoda is this.

Was it Zon-Kuthon himself that you find so alluring, or was it thinking of the religious practices and a certain follower of his?

No, ZK himself is a bit over the top for me, but if I were in Golarion, I think I just might have a soft spot for his religion, if not full-on zealotry for the faith.


I do admit that if many priestesses of Zon-Kuthon wear the skin tight chainmail like Laori Vaus, then perhaps its for me too. ^_^


Yasha0006 wrote:

I do admit that if many priestesses of Zon-Kuthon wear the skin tight chainmail like Laori Vaus, then perhaps its for me too. ^_^

Yea, but once they got you tied down, they magically transform into Brian Peppers and go to town.

O.o

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Sean,

It disturbed me enough that I wondered about how much SAN lost you took while writing it.

Even Freeport's Lowyatar (sp) told Zon Kuthon 'whoa, switch to decaff'mp.

As to turning me on, even my outer sadist (call auditor, I get paid to break people down) wasn't. Lowatar/Loviatar both understand that whilr suffering leads to enlightenment, there needs to be a time for reat and reliefm or pain becomes meaningless.

That's more my speed.

And what's wrong with ball gags? I hear lots of people who need them. Rachel Ray, that mary woman from so you think you can dance, Dan Rather...


Matthew Morris wrote:
And what's wrong with ball gags? I hear lots of people who need them. Rachel Ray, that mary woman from so you think you can dance, Dan Rather...

Isn't ZK's holy symbol a ball-gag?

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No, it's a skull with chains coming out of the eyes.

Hmm, if you made the skull out of hardwood or metal, padded it in leather, then you could extend the chains so you could cinch them in the back.

I guess you could make a ball gag out of it.


You know in Golarion, a common joke goes something like:

Zon-Kuthon and Rovagug walk into a tavern...

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Ball gag with a spiked-chain strap... that sounds about right.

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veector wrote:

You know in Golarion, a common joke goes something like:

Zon-Kuthon and Rovagug walk into a tavern...

Zon-Kuthon and Rovagug walk into a tavern, separately, and have a seat at the bar.

Zon-Kuthon notices the other has a black eye, just like himself.

“Hey buddy, how’d you get your shiner?”

“Well, I was trapped in an extra-dimensional prison plane, and I wanted to get out and destroy creation, so I thought I'd try and ask for a day pass, me and the guard getting out and about. But that prison guard, whatsername, Iomedeae, girl was effin’ hot. And instead of two tickets to Pitax, I slipped and said ‘two PICKets to TITax’ and she hit me square in the face. How about you? How’d you get yours?”

“Something similar actaully! I was just having dinner with my half-sister, and what I MEANT to say was, ‘Sis, can you please pass the peas?’ But I slipped up and said “You f@&!ing b**$+ you ruined my life!”

---

Ba-DUM *chish*


Dark Psion wrote:

Nice to see an evil deity that is EVIL. No shades of grey here.

And yes, I was getting a Hellraiser vibe from it too...

Yeap, I might have to brush up on my classics, how many of those have been done, I remember seeing two, I think ?

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Slime wrote:
Dark Psion wrote:


And yes, I was getting a Hellraiser vibe from it too...
Yeap, I might have to brush up on my classics, how many of those have been done, I remember seeing two, I think ?

There's only one The Hellbound Heart. Everything else is a weak-sauce movie adaptation.

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Shadowborn wrote:
No, but it will have my players shaking their heads next week when I start incessantly quoting Hellraiser.

Doug Bradley (Pinhead) was in 'The Cottage' with Andy 'Gollum' Serkis, and Reece 'League of Gentlemen' Shearsmith, which was on TV last night.

All the way through, I found myself wondering 'When will the Graul Brothers show up, for some Mig-a-Mug-Tug...?'.


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“Something similar actaully! I was just having dinner with my half-sister, and what I MEANT to say was, ‘Sis, can you please pass the peas?’ But I slipped up and said “You f@!@ing b#@!# you ruined my life!”

Yep, that's how I remember 'em. :)

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Yasha0006 wrote:
Being turned on by Zon-Kuthon is a very delicate question....

As I mentioned in another thread, I wanted to add that I don't think BDSM, self-mutilation, or similar things are inherently evil (consenting adults may do what they want to themselves or each other), but Zon-Kuthon's practices ARE evil because they act out on unwilling targets.

So if you're a fan of this sort of stuff, don't think I'm hatin' on you. :)

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Sean K Reynolds wrote:


So if you're a fan of this sort of stuff, don't think I'm hatin' on you. :)

So it's okay how much I love Rovagug?

Whew.


cappadocius wrote:
There's only one The Hellbound Heart. Everything else is a weak-sauce movie adaptation.

All praise the Order of the Gash!

Just read my 20th anniversary copy of this the other day - utterly magnificent stuff! Often imitated. Never bettered.


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Yasha0006 wrote:
I do admit that if many priestesses of Zon-Kuthon wear the skin tight chainmail like Laori Vaus, then perhaps its for me too. ^_^

Ah, yes...I found that quite...unusal visually. I mean, it looks like she's wearing lycra chainmail. Based on what I read, I can see why she's kind of an outcast - a perky sadist seems a bit off for the "life is pain" crowd.

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Sean K Reynolds wrote:
Yasha0006 wrote:
Being turned on by Zon-Kuthon is a very delicate question....

As I mentioned in another thread, I wanted to add that I don't think BDSM, self-mutilation, or similar things are inherently evil (consenting adults may do what they want to themselves or each other), but Zon-Kuthon's practices ARE evil because they act out on unwilling targets.

So if you're a fan of this sort of stuff, don't think I'm hatin' on you. :)

And if we are a fan of doing torturous things to unwilling subjects? Eh? Then what?

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yoda8myhead wrote:


And if we are a fan of doing torturous things to unwilling subjects?

Then you're a felon! Yay!

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Alex Martin wrote:
Ah, yes...I found that quite...unusal visually. I mean, it looks like she's wearing lycra chainmail. Based on what I read, I can see why she's kind of an outcast - a perky sadist seems a bit off for the "life is pain" crowd.

While I didn't like the art somuch I dhave known perky sadists.

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