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Liberty's Edge

M Monk 10, Rogue 3, Bard 6, Wizard 2, Cleric 4

I can forgive skipping plot, your big mistake [still] was ignoring the game.

Posting "today" btw saying you "went" to Gencon is very different from saying "Hey guys, game will be slow at best I'll be away from X amount of days due to Gencon" before you even leave.

Then you wouldn't have my last three threads in the OOC thread askign for the status of the game, to which you apparently didn't see or care to respond too until today.

I could get even more granular and dissect your posts on both the OOC and IC threads and what you said you would do, and failed to do if you like. however I don't wish to take the time to explain it to you seeing as you really don't want the criticisms, me on the other hand I'd like to know if my players are not having fun due to my lack of planning, interest, or time.

It was rather frustrating to have asked a bunch of questions on the threads, or awaiting you to give time to this game and see you posting elsewhere. It's rather simple to see you making posts on these boards right now they go as far back as the 11th. So whatever spin your trying to take here it simply not supported by the activity I was watching happen and could easily look at by checking your history on posts.

I'm also not sorry you didn't like my feedback, it's the sign of a very immature player who can't take criticisms. As someone interested in creating worlds, running games, and being in the position you put yourself in you really need to be open to both positive and negative reviews. Mine is till rooted firmly in the latter. Mismanaged, poor communication skills, and lack of attention to the game.

I shouldn't need to say this, but I will anyway, this was never an attack on you personally. It's easy to take it that way, but just learn from it. Next time you post in an alternate thread on how to start up a new game (which I noticed you like to generate guides to do.) You'll have a fresh perspective of what annoys your players, and how to avoid it.

Liberty's Edge

Male
Dread wrote:
best laid plans of mice and men....ended up working late Friday, got 2 free tickets to the Panter/Colts Game Sat eve. and yesterday had to get all the stuff ready for the trip to gencon. I should be able to get a turn in tonight though. Sorry for the delay folks

please note I mentioned this on Sunday the 10th.

Liberty's Edge

Male
Winterwalker wrote:

I can forgive skipping plot, your big mistake [still] was ignoring the game.

Posting "today" btw saying you "went" to Gencon is very different from saying "Hey guys, game will be slow at best I'll be away from X amount of days due to Gencon" before you even leave.

Then you wouldn't have my last three threads in the OOC thread askign for the status of the game, to which you apparently didn't see or care to respond too until today.

I could get even more granular and dissect your posts on both the OOC and IC threads and what you said you would do, and failed to do if you like. however I don't wish to take the time to explain it to you seeing as you really don't want the criticisms, me on the other hand I'd like to know if my players are not having fun due to my lack of planning, interest, or time.

It was rather frustrating to have asked a bunch of questions on the threads, or awaiting you to give time to this game and see you posting elsewhere. It's rather simple to see you making posts on these boards right now they go as far back as the 11th. So whatever spin your trying to take here it simply not supported by the activity I was watching happen and could easily look at by checking your history on posts.

I'm also not sorry you didn't like my feedback, it's the sign of a very immature player who can't take criticisms. As someone interested in creating worlds, running games, and being in the position you put yourself in you really need to be open to both positive and negative reviews. Mine is till rooted firmly in the latter. Mismanaged, poor communication skills, and lack of attention to the game.

I shouldn't need to say this, but I will anyway, this was never an attack on you personally. It's easy to take it that way, but just learn from it. Next time you post in an alternate thread on how to start up a new game (which I noticed you like to generate guides to do.) You'll have a fresh perspective of what annoys your players, and how to avoid it.

You couch your criticsm in sarcasm, that is never well received...and if you look at your OOC posts...posting

This
Game
is
moving
too
slow

is the sign of an immature player.

Please dont be a pot calling the kettle black

As far as Im concerned Many of the players in this game are excellent, you however are far less.

If the criticism was truely constructive, you would have said something long the lines "Hey Dread, what gives?"

or emailed me...since you did that when you wanted something, but couldnt when all you had for me was sarcasm?

I wont deign to comment on this any further, as you are just trying to start an arguement...something Ive noticed among a few so called gamers on these boards.

My experience with gamers is that they fall into two crowds...really good hearted fun loving folks who really dont have anything bad to say about others...and self absorbed know it alls that think the sun rises and sets on their asses.....you can guess where my opinion of you sits.

Have a good life...and try not to take the world so seriously....You'll live longer.

Liberty's Edge

M Monk 10, Rogue 3, Bard 6, Wizard 2, Cleric 4
Dread wrote:
Winterwalker wrote:

I can forgive skipping plot, your big mistake [still] was ignoring the game.

Posting "today" btw saying you "went" to Gencon is very different from saying "Hey guys, game will be slow at best I'll be away from X amount of days due to Gencon" before you even leave.

Then you wouldn't have my last three threads in the OOC thread askign for the status of the game, to which you apparently didn't see or care to respond too until today.

I could get even more granular and dissect your posts on both the OOC and IC threads and what you said you would do, and failed to do if you like. however I don't wish to take the time to explain it to you seeing as you really don't want the criticisms, me on the other hand I'd like to know if my players are not having fun due to my lack of planning, interest, or time.

It was rather frustrating to have asked a bunch of questions on the threads, or awaiting you to give time to this game and see you posting elsewhere. It's rather simple to see you making posts on these boards right now they go as far back as the 11th. So whatever spin your trying to take here it simply not supported by the activity I was watching happen and could easily look at by checking your history on posts.

I'm also not sorry you didn't like my feedback, it's the sign of a very immature player who can't take criticisms. As someone interested in creating worlds, running games, and being in the position you put yourself in you really need to be open to both positive and negative reviews. Mine is till rooted firmly in the latter. Mismanaged, poor communication skills, and lack of attention to the game.

I shouldn't need to say this, but I will anyway, this was never an attack on you personally. It's easy to take it that way, but just learn from it. Next time you post in an alternate thread on how to start up a new game (which I noticed you like to generate guides to do.) You'll have a fresh perspective of what annoys your players, and how to avoid it.

You couch...

That wasn't sarcasm, and that was posted before the game went sour and is now out of context. Nothing I said was sarcastic. I meant every word and was trying to be painfully clear on what I thought about your game, how it was handled, and suggestions for your next one. You chose to take it as me attacking your DM skills, which from only playing this far, are lacking in my opinion.

Liberty's Edge

M Monk 10, Rogue 3, Bard 6, Wizard 2, Cleric 4
Dread wrote:
Dread wrote:
best laid plans of mice and men....ended up working late Friday, got 2 free tickets to the Panter/Colts Game Sat eve. and yesterday had to get all the stuff ready for the trip to gencon. I should be able to get a turn in tonight though. Sorry for the delay folks
please note I mentioned this on Sunday the 10th.

Ah yes in between that line of text i see the fact you did mention when you were leaving, how long a delay there would be and when you expected to pick the game back up, forgive me for not using my ESP there and making giant leap of mathematics and knowing that ahead of time.

Having never gone to a GenCon was I supposed to know where, when, and how long that was to take? Maybe I should of said I want to roll a spot check on your absence. Or would a Knowledge (local) be better suited to that kind of DC.

Now comparing what you just said, to when GenCon ran. You didn't make any "game posts" since aug 5th, you sent a note on the 10th, GenCon runs from Thursday, August 14 - Sunday, August 17, so I'll be graceful and give you the 3 days there. It is now the 20th, thats just about 2 weeks of no posting from your end, or responses to the OOC thread (to which i also posted as you can see, and quoted me.)

YET.

Lets look at your posting history shall we? Oh look at that it goes at least as far back as the 11th right now, I see posts yesterday, some posting on the 12th, a lot more on the 11th. Now I can no longer see further back than that simply because you made a lot of posting while you were neglecting this thread.

See THAT is a sarcastic post. And, anyway you try to spin it at this point, you really lose, it's easy to backtrack and see you simply not caring to find out whats up with this game. It's all on you and your neglect.

Sad this is the most text this thread has ever seen to date and it's basically me calling you out on your own bad DM'ing though isn't it?

Liberty's Edge

Male

Winterwalker- if you had approached me in a 'friendly' manner and given me criticism, Id happily take it.

I dont take criticism from someone who is unfriendly about it though.

Simple.

On forum boards its easy to be an ass, and much harder to come across as someone who cares. I happen to care about everyone and everything. Its in my nature. Your posts contrary to what you think, come across as harsh and opinionated. So I dont listen to them. I happen to have a great many folks who happen to like my DM style.

You don't

No worries, If you had just said "Hey Your game isnt in my style" and left it at that...no harm no foul.

The fact you insist on wanting to criticize shows me you take yourself and gaming far far too seriously.

Its a Game!

Criticism is never constructive when your purpose is to insult.

Tone is everything.

Liberty's Edge

M Monk 10, Rogue 3, Bard 6, Wizard 2, Cleric 4
Dread wrote:
"Hey Dread What Gives?"

I did, I can see you never bothered to look now though.

Dusk wrote:


Dusk, Thu, Aug 7, 2008, 09:16 AM
the

post

speed

is

killing

me.

:)

Dusk wrote:


Dusk, Wed, Aug 13, 2008, 11:36 AM
Is this game going to continue? Or are we done before a shot is fired?
/whipcrack

and then

Dusk wrote:


Dusk, Fri, Aug 15, 2008, 09:49 AM
Respectfully, the post frequency is way to slow for me to enjoy. I will be moving to another game once one opens up.

If combat ever does start you can kill me off in round 1 if you choose. Feel free to do what you wish to her.

I think everyone of those was friendly, heck I even used 'respectfully' in there. Thats not hard to see, oh and a ":)" that means smiles, and a /whipcrack as if I was playfully smacking you with a whip.

All signs of 'friendly' behavior.

Liberty's Edge

Male
Winterwalker wrote:


Sad this is the most text this thread has ever seen to date and it's basically me calling you out on your own bad DM'ing though isn't it?

You really dont have a life do you?!

Im glad I have several hundred folks who happen to think my DM style is sooo bad they go out of their ways to join my games....

they must all love Bad DM's....:D so I really dont give a rats ass what you think

Liberty's Edge

M Monk 10, Rogue 3, Bard 6, Wizard 2, Cleric 4
Dread wrote:
As far as Im concerned Many of the players in this game are excellent, you however are far less.

Nothing in my posting was directed personally at you, just your DM skills and the fact you ditched the game. "I" wont resort to your insult, for I am a black kettle and you are a pot.

Do you see the effort i DID try to put into your game to get it rolling? I think I did a good job for having no support in trying. if you want to casually write me off hey, it's not like I know you thats fine.

When it's all said and done, you read every word I had to say, and will continue to do so if I type again. So in that regards, I have succeeded in getting my point across, and will continue to do so.

Consider it flattery that you have my attention so, again this is probably the best posting this thread has seen to date now.

Liberty's Edge

M Monk 10, Rogue 3, Bard 6, Wizard 2, Cleric 4
Dread wrote:
Winterwalker wrote:


Sad this is the most text this thread has ever seen to date and it's basically me calling you out on your own bad DM'ing though isn't it?

You really dont have a life do you?!

Im glad I have several hundred folks who happen to think my DM style is sooo bad they go out of their ways to join my games....

they must all love Bad DM's....:D so I really dont give a rats ass what you think

Theres an influx for players wanting to join a game, want to see numbers? I'll go post a "I'm starting a PBP join now" and get you a list of people dying to play. Breezing it over, I see people posting looking for PBP now. So I don't agree they searched you out based on reputation.

I have the right to speak my mind to your follow ups though don't I? Continue to insult me on a personal level though, you don't have a leg to stand on otherwise in defending your actions or you would have.

And yes, you do care, it's evident in your responses.

Liberty's Edge

Male

*chuckle* you dont get it...I have a following of folks who get with me and say "Dread will you run this game for us"....I dont have to post to start a PBP game...I have people who contact me to do it.

So in that respect your opinion of my DM skills do not matter.

I do happen to care what you think of me as a person though. I have tried to get it across to you that if you tried being nice....you'd get a better response.

but instead youd rather try to prove me wrong.

*shrugs*

shows something in the diference of the type or person we both are.

as an example I was in a game recently on the site, where I didnt care for how the game was being run. I simply posted that It wasn't for me.

The DM got upset...I went out of my way to reassure him it had nothing to do with him, it was merely my style and his didnt work and for him to please continue.

A far cry from yours of feeling so self important that you absolutley have to tear me down in the eyes of the gamers and prove you are right and I am wrong.

Its not my style.

I get upset and angry just as anyone else...and yes sometimes that turns into a quick retort.

But the fact of the matter is, what you say here, doesnt affect me in any manner, This is a message board for goodness sake. I will likely never ever meet you in person. I will continue to have people who are nice and care like I do, that will love my games. and If someone out there doesnt, so be it.

And yes Winterwalker...you did have some good roleplaying, however being a good gamer is also part and parcel in being a nice person.

re-read your posts and pretend i sent them to you....how would you feel

You are not a nice person.

Im glad Ill never ever meet you in person.

a good gamer is respectful of others and doesnt try to trod on them.

I will not come back to this thread at all. you want to talk...email me.

Liberty's Edge

M Monk 10, Rogue 3, Bard 6, Wizard 2, Cleric 4
Dread wrote:

*chuckle* you dont get it...I have a following of folks who get with me and say "Dread will you run this game for us"....I dont have to post to start a PBP game...I have people who contact me to do it.

So in that respect your opinion of my DM skills do not matter.

I do happen to care what you think of me as a person though. I have tried to get it across to you that if you tried being nice....you'd get a better response.

but instead youd rather try to prove me wrong.

*shrugs*

shows something in the diference of the type or person we both are.

as an example I was in a game recently on the site, where I didnt care for how the game was being run. I simply posted that It wasn't for me.

The DM got upset...I went out of my way to reassure him it had nothing to do with him, it was merely my style and his didnt work and for him to please continue.

A far cry from yours of feeling so self important that you absolutley have to tear me down in the eyes of the gamers and prove you are right and I am wrong.

Its not my style.

I get upset and angry just as anyone else...and yes sometimes that turns into a quick retort.

But the fact of the matter is, what you say here, doesnt affect me in any manner, This is a message board for goodness sake. I will likely never ever meet you in person. I will continue to have people who are nice and care like I do, that will love my games. and If someone out there doesnt, so be it.

And yes Winterwalker...you did have some good roleplaying, however being a good gamer is also part and parcel in being a nice person.

re-read your posts and pretend i sent them to you....how would you feel

You are not a nice person.

Im glad Ill never ever meet you in person.

a good gamer is respectful of others and doesnt try to trod on them.

I will not come back to this thread at all. you want to talk...email me.

Ah so now I am a good role player.

I was nothing but cordial to you, Not my fault you can't take criticism.

I would of easily taken my posts just as they stand right now, as criticism, I understand that people caring enough to tell me why they are upset, angry, dislike something I created is just that. You quickly went with the insult me angle to defend yourself, that shows your true character under such circumstances.

You will come back to this thread to see what I type. (I would.)

I'm quite nice, if you think this is 'not nice' you haven't been exposed to mean people much.

Please link me 1 post for someone asking you to run a game, I'd like to see how that turned out if it's true.

Ask yourself this, as your not visiting here, though in private I know your reading this.

Why are 'you' upset? Why are 'you' resorting to the immature "I'm glad I will never meet you" lines?

Is it because I'm right about just about everything in this thread and you just don't like it?

Ponder that before knee jerking another candid reply.

Dark Archive

Going to have to side with winterwalker on this he may not have presented the arguments well but his points still stand. Also it is said that as soon as one side resorts to name calling they have lost the argument. Think about that.

Liberty's Edge

Male

You're right, I couldnt resist looking in.

go back and read the posts...

I didnt start the name calling....Winterwalker- you did.

1. after getting back I asked if there was a problem.

2. You came on with your critique of my gaming style

and to go back to a point I thought I covered pretty well:

Spot and Listen are not passive skills. Spot is walking up a trail in the night and pausing looking around for something that may be hard to see. If you aren't trying to spot something, then you your mind isnt actively looking for the unknown. Listen is diferent than hearing. It also is an active not passive skill. you can hear something, but not have it register on your mind.

Search is going through a room or lookingh closely at a door or floor or going through pockets looking for signs that something isnt right. Re-Read the skills in the PHB and how they are applied.

3. I posted, and cordially a rebuttal to your critique. I acknowledged I didnt find your critique constructive because you brought up things that you felt slighted on, but ignored my actions...(like asking if it was time to move on or you wanted more roleplaying time....like saying this wasnt a fight you had to fight,.....like explaining to you why I felt you should say more than having your character say "They are amateurs"...How is that to be interpreted as a spot/listen check?....).

The only thing that is valid in my opinion is the fact I hadn't posted in a week....(saying two weeks is overlooking the fact i mentioned Gencon)...and in all fairness to me, it should be asked why noone is saying anything about Eremus' not posting, or why noone asked me to move on...

4. Mittean said we both were right, but instead of saying against you, he just critized me......Even though some of his comments were unfounded...Our real life always has to take precedence over our gaming life...To even think that how I post has any bearing on my personal reputation is absurd. I am a man of honor, and that made me say 'whoah'. To me, this is a game, and should be enjoyable. If you take it too seriously, then something is radically wrong....but read my post after...still I was cordial and no name calling...

Even though saying 'cardinal sin pal'...and alluding to how my reputation was ruined.

5. My post...as I mentioned, still no personal affronts from me.

6. Your post saying I was immature.

Now I began to get angry.

Winterwalker...This was my first Play By Post Game on This site...and it will be my last, rest assured of that.

But I have played on 3 other sites, and still do on one. I wont invite you there with a link to my games though, as I dont want to tain the boards their with senseless argument.

Ill say again, (and I bet I know who you are on these boards...as your posting style is reminiscent of someone who argues a lot and goes out of his way to get confrontational....hmmmmm Ill be Ive had 'disagreements' with you on these boards...and truth be told, Ill bet that is the underlying reason for your actions in this thread.), Gaming is supposed to be fun. I have more important things to do than get all excited about things like this.

I do apologize to all for not bypassing Eremus' action and just continueing with the combat. I also apologize to anyone who thinks I overreacted.

I dont apologize to you Winterwalker, for thinking what I do about you. You are not Nice. No matter how you justify your actions. Life is not about winning arguments.

I may or may not come back in, because as I said...I sincerely do care.

Dread.

Liberty's Edge

M Monk 10, Rogue 3, Bard 6, Wizard 2, Cleric 4

>>Winterwalker...This was my first Play By Post Game on This site...and it will be my last, rest assured of that.

I find this 'sour grapes' remark rather comforting. Thank you. It will be good to know no one else will have to endure your DM'ing.

>>I dont apologize to you Winterwalker, for thinking what I do about you. You are not Nice. No matter how you justify your actions. Life is not about winning arguments.

I am nice, but don't expect praise where none is due, nor me not to complain when it is warranted.

>>I didnt start the name calling....Winterwalker- you did.
Dread Insults:
1.> You really dont have a life do you?!
2.> You are not a nice person. Im glad Ill never ever meet you in person.
3.> As far as Im concerned Many of the players in this game are excellent, you however are far less. (soon followed up by I am a good roleplayer comment.)
4.> My experience with gamers is that they fall into two crowds...really good hearted fun loving folks who really dont have anything bad to say about others...and self absorbed know it alls that think the sun rises and sets on their asses.....you can guess where my opinion of you sits. (indirect insult, but the gist is there.)

Re-reading my post on [Winterwalker (Pathfinder Companion Subscriber), Yesterday, 09:46 AM ]

I see nothing personal directed at you, so Don't say I started it, thats simply false and easy to fact check.

I even posted that I was not about to rise to your name calling level, that whole pot kettle scenario i quoted you on.

Liberty's Edge

Male

*chuckle*...and I notice you cut out the insults you hurled my way....

I won't lower myself to find the many things you said in your posts.

I will add though that I should have listened to one of my friends who was reading through the initial thread where I looked for players, he said You were trouble and i shouldn't let you in the game....why?

The fact you tried to slide by me the 'mistake' on the starting gold when i said i was at work and didnt have access to the books, and you quoted pages that clearly were meant for something else...he said then that you were one of those gamers that tries to derail games and fight the DM all the time....

Anyone reading this, please read his posts as well...and you'll see.

and just for you Winterwalker....I dont need your approval to think Im a great DM...I have many many satisfied players. 33 years of DM'ing and more than 20 tabletop campaigns and about 12 online campaigns with about a 75% return player ratio tells me so.

I know you have decided you want to slander me, and will go to great lengths to search out my threads and arggue with me...

personally I have better things to do with my time.

One last thing...I never agreed you were a good gamer, i said you were a good roleplayer, there's a diference. But I don't expect you know what that is.

Dark Archive

Dread wrote:


Anyone reading this, please read his posts as well...and you'll see.

Here is the thing I have read his posts and yours and you were the one being more insulting and doing most of the insulting.

Liberty's Edge

Male

Kevin Mack I understand what you are saying....

I never asked for his 'constructive criticism'...he gave it.

which means he had an axe to grind, and it was on me.

Color his posts however you'd like...They were never designed to be helpful, but laud his superior attitude and make me look inept.

The fact I didn't cut an paste his comments, like he did mine, doesnt change the fact they veiled insults were there.

I just didnt choose to veil them.

As I said, I do apologize to the group for holding back on the post so Eremus could have an action...I waited too long and my time crunch got the better of me. I also took for granted on a role playing board, folks would know what going to Gencon was all about. My mistake.

Kevin- I've seen your posts on the boards hereabouts, and I know you for a fair person, so If you honestly say I have more of the blame than he, then Ill take that.

Winterwalker I apologize for carrying this too far. I also apologize for insulting you.

Liberty's Edge

M Monk 10, Rogue 3, Bard 6, Wizard 2, Cleric 4

>>The fact you tried to slide by me the 'mistake' on the starting gold when i said i was at work and didnt have access to the books, and you quoted pages that clearly were meant for something else...he said then that you were one of those gamers that tries to derail games and fight the DM all the time....

I only had issue with this game after the Dread train already was derailed. The starting gold was an honest mistake, and the fact your friend tried to say i was plotting to fight you and derail the game is a little silly.

I forgot all about that until you just brought it up, but I hardly think that was a point we even spent more than 1 quick look up to show I was indeed mistaken, and it was quickly dropped and forgotten.

I was never looking for an apology, I will take it however as genuine.

Scarab Sages

Male Human (by at least 25%)/Gargoyle Lovable Rogue 11th, Antiquarian 7th, Test Officer 6th

I think that it can be agreed from any angle that the game has coded and TOD has been pronounced, the earth salted, and the well poisoned. It's not coming back. I think it should just close now with Dread making a good faith effort to apologize.

As a positive close, there are some good role players here and I feel like I have a fun character that I can use at some point in the future.

Liberty's Edge

Male
Winterwalker wrote:

I was never looking for an apology, I will take it however as genuine.

Thank you...and it is. I admit when Im wrong. I have re-read the posts, and I admit I was probably reading between the lines a bit much.

No excuse for it. I was wrong.

Im sorry.

have good games wherever you all go.

Liberty's Edge

M Monk 10, Rogue 3, Bard 6, Wizard 2, Cleric 4
Dread wrote:
Winterwalker wrote:

I was never looking for an apology, I will take it however as genuine.

Thank you...and it is. I admit when Im wrong. I have re-read the posts, and I admit I was probably reading between the lines a bit much.

No excuse for it. I was wrong.

Im sorry.

have good games wherever you all go.

That probably wasn't very easy to admit too, it is much appreciated.

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