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Qadira

DMChucky----

I met Yngwie Malmsteen once and hung with him for a while but the dude is an absolute total tool. The most stuck-up egotistic little f**k that I ever met. I disliked him in like 60seconds after being a fan of his and genuinely hated him after 25 minutes. I ended up hanging out for an hour before I jetted, hoping to see some redeeming quality. Nothing.
He was an a-hole to any woman around, he talked about himself like he should be worshipped, and he belittled everyone he saw. What an a-hole.

I never listened to his work again.
I am a fan of Gary Moore, Mark Wood (heavy metal violin baby!), and the Vai though.

Andoran

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber
Fake Healer wrote:

DMChucky----

I met Yngwie Malmsteen once and hung with him for a while but the dude is an absolute total tool. The most stuck-up egotistic little f**k that I ever met. I disliked him in like 60seconds after being a fan of his and genuinely hated him after 25 minutes. I ended up hanging out for an hour before I jetted, hoping to see some redeeming quality. Nothing.
He was an a-hole to any woman around, he talked about himself like he should be worshipped, and he belittled everyone he saw. What an a-hole.

I never listened to his work again.
I am a fan of Gary Moore, Mark Wood (heavy metal violin baby!), and the Vai though.

Yeah, it's no secret in the metal community that he is a prig. I saw him about two years ago at a show in Manhattan. He had put on a lot of weight (like I can complain, I'm built like a Sherman tank), but we were at side stage. Between every song, he'd come to our side of the stage and run a hair pick through his hair. He seemed more concerned about his mane than how good he was playing.

I love the dude's style and he plays as fast as anyone (except for maybe Impellitari or Jason Becker), but I freely admit that he wins the turd of the year award.

Qadira

I also liked a local band from the Philly area called Heaven's Edge. They opened up for Dio's Lock up the Wolves tour and I loved them.
Here is a sample of one of theirs from their website.
And their regular site.

Paizo Employee Managing Editor

dmchucky69 wrote:

Cool, I was surprised to see how fast this thread grew!

As far as metal goes, I love: Anthrax, Armored Saint, As I Lay Dying, All That Remains, Sabbath, DevilDriver, Dio, Helloween, Gamma Ray, Maiden, Priest, Killswitch Engage, Static-X, Lamb of God, Metallica, Megadeth, Pantera, Fight, Candlemass, King Diamond, WASP, Yngwie Malmsteen, Slayer, Testament, Scatterbrain (as someone else mentioned, and I always loved "Mr. Johnson and the Juice Crew"), Godsmack, Bruce Dickenson, Iced Earth, Accept, Trivium, Ozzy, Exodus.

I love Prog too: Dream Theater, Rush, Saga, Yes, Spock's Beard, Queensryche, Floyd, Asia, LTE, Mullmuzzler

Then there's good ole hard rock/hair music: Warrant, April Wine, BOC, Purple, Riot, Quiet Riot, Kiss, Vixen, Alan Parsons, Tesla, Whitesnake, Europe, Dokken, Stryper (yes, Stryper).

I hope the prog and hard rock don't ruin my metal cred. If it helps, I've been in a few metal bands over the years, and I tend to favor thrash guitar style when I play my axe!

So cool that so many rivetheads are gamers!

So I got Mona sharing my Metal roots; and Jacobs is a horror flick junkie, also like me. Cool!

PS I need to check out Sutter's stuff. See if he can riff off the E string like a true shredder...

Dude, as far as I'm concerned, metal and prog were meant to go hand-in-hand... one of the best things about metal as a genre is that, save for maybe jazz (which I'm not a big fan of), it's the most accepting of virtuoso musicians and atypical song structures. When we're talking metal, if your song's under seven minutes or you repeat any given riff more than twice, you're cheating the audience.

I play bass in Shadow at Morning, so there's no E string involved - DADG all the way, baby! - but I try to do a bit of shredding where possible. :) Our guitarist, though, is honestly something of a savant (and a gamer to boot - he's written for Dragon). Check out the solo about four and a half minutes into Gunslinger... total oldschool metal wankery.


Gadzooks! I think i may have addressed this before, but I (apparently like many others) feel the need to 'shout out' when someone Raises the Flag of Hate (you love old-school Kreator even WITH the production, you know it). I, too, suckled at the teat of Master of Puppets/Peace Sells and consider them to this day to be canon. That's the stuff that made me start playing lo these many years ago. For a long while, it was just thrash, but Dream Theater changed all that. Still the best band around (opinion, of course), they introduced me to the goodest thing evar; PROG, especially of the heavy persuasion. Mmm, thinky/mathy metal. Delish!

Someone mentioned Protest the Hero. Zoinks, scary good.

Fave new/old metal: Testament - Formation of Damnation. Buy it. Now. Skolnick is back (for the solos anyway) and the whole thing is excellent from start to finish. Chuck Billy IS the voice of thrash. Prove me wrong... hah, you cant, i KNEW it!

Best concert moments: Both Metallica, actually. Saw them for the first time on my 18th birthday at Red Rocks in Colorado in 89. Got there the night before, got front row seats and Hetfield's pick. Fro an 18-year old guitar newb, it was IT. Second occurance: First leg of the Black Album tour. Had tix, then found out a friend was best friends with Metallica's tour accountant. Got Snake Pit passes for free, backstage pass, pics, etc. Ended up sounding JUST LIKE everyone else; 'So, whats your favorite song on the album?' Pretty cheesy. Good stuff tho!

dmchucky69 wrote:

I've been following Erik Mona's blog for quite awhile now at Lemuria Press, and he's been waxing nostalgic about metal music, Metallica and Megadeth for the last few days. And I think it's great! I've been a metalhead since I discovered Kiss at 11 and to find out the Publisher of my favorite gaming stuff loves the same stuff I do is like mana from heaven!

For the record, I hate the new Metallica. My face CD by them is: And Justice For All.

My fave Megadeth would have to be: Peace Sells..But Who's Buying.

Fave new metal: Killswitch, Trivium and DevilDriver.

PS Mona likes Dr. Who too! Awesome.


TwiceBorn wrote:


That, sir, is an awesome album, dare I say their best by far? And it's not just a good album by W.A.S.P. standards. It's "awesome," period. Blackie Lawless has one of the best and most distinct/emotional voices in rock. Totally underrated.

Completely agree. His voice takes me along for the ride. Just saw the live performance of Crimson Idol a few months back.

It's almost a shame that W.A.S.P. became so notorious for being over the top - that really overshadowed the fact that there's some good music there.

TwiceBorn wrote:


But he also has got to have the worst presence/acting in music videos... bad cheese all the way.

Yeah, I grew up without MTV. I made the mistake of surfing YouTube a while back and watched a few of the W.A.S.P. video rips... About the most charitable thing I can say is that the videos lack the inspiration and vision that was behind the original song...


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Nice..."See you in Hell!" My first concert (I'm thinking it was 82' 9th 0r 10th grade)was Maiden on # of the beast tour warming up for Judas Priest ( I was there to see Maiden but Priest kicked serious butt too-Dave Holland's kik drum was pounding my aorta in) I met Dave Mustaine at that keghouse show...he was standing in the bar with a khaki trenchcoat on and no-one knew who he was!

Agent Steel: Skeptic's Apocalypse
Hallows Eve: Hallows Eve
Cirith Ungol: King of the Dead (actually everything by them)
Corrosion of Conformity: Animosity
Carnivore: Carnivore (pre-type O, got a concussion at Lamours east when they warmed up for Manowar...later broke thumb in the pit at a Type-O show)
Manowar: Into Glory Ride (well lot's of Manowar)

I saw Metallica on "Ride the Lightning" tour on a triple bill with Wasp and Armored saint.. at the West Hartford Ballroom (the Agora for you locals) Metallica headlined that night and ripped the roof off the place

Paizo Employee Managing Editor

Here's a question: I love folks like Protest the Hero, Oh Sleeper, Misery Signals, My Bitter End, and other folks who manage to do the prog/hardcore/metal thing. Does anybody have recommendations of bands I might not have heard of who do similar things? I'm looking for someone who's harder than Dream Theater (though they're awesome), newer than Metallica (though they're awesome as well) and slightly more accessible than Dillinger or Between the Buried and Me (though they, too, are awesome). My ideal band is aggressive, alternates between brutality and really melodic stuff, and changes up the riffs constantly so you never get bored.

What have you got?

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James Sutter wrote:

Here's a question: I love folks like Protest the Hero, Oh Sleeper, Misery Signals, My Bitter End, and other folks who manage to do the prog/hardcore/metal thing. Does anybody have recommendations of bands I might not have heard of who do similar things? I'm looking for someone who's harder than Dream Theater (though they're awesome), newer than Metallica (though they're awesome as well) and slightly more accessible than Dillinger or Between the Buried and Me (though they, too, are awesome). My ideal band is aggressive, alternates between brutality and really melodic stuff, and changes up the riffs constantly so you never get bored.

What have you got?

I just entered Protest the Hero into last.fm to hear some of their stuff, and it listed several "similar" bands. Dillinger Escape Plan was a bit....too....yeah.

I did like "Every Time I Die" though. Described as "hardcore...with strong elements of metalcore and southern rock".

It's the southern rock that makes it tasty, I suspect....

Paizo Employee Managing Editor

Timitius wrote:
James Sutter wrote:

Here's a question: I love folks like Protest the Hero, Oh Sleeper, Misery Signals, My Bitter End, and other folks who manage to do the prog/hardcore/metal thing. Does anybody have recommendations of bands I might not have heard of who do similar things? I'm looking for someone who's harder than Dream Theater (though they're awesome), newer than Metallica (though they're awesome as well) and slightly more accessible than Dillinger or Between the Buried and Me (though they, too, are awesome). My ideal band is aggressive, alternates between brutality and really melodic stuff, and changes up the riffs constantly so you never get bored.

What have you got?

I just entered Protest the Hero into last.fm to hear some of their stuff, and it listed several "similar" bands. Dillinger Escape Plan was a bit....too....yeah.

I did like "Every Time I Die" though. Described as "hardcore...with strong elements of metalcore and southern rock".

It's the southern rock that makes it tasty, I suspect....

Every Time I Die is good - my bandmates really love them - but for some reason I've never gotten quite as into them. I'll be the first one to admit that their lyrics are awesome, though - "I know the stripper's real name," "When in Rome we will do as the Romans/when in hell we'll do shots at the bar"... you can't beat lines like that.

Andoran

Pathfinder Modules Subscriber
dmchucky69 wrote:

Cool, I was surprised to see how fast this thread grew!

As far as metal goes, I love: Anthrax, Armored Saint, As I Lay Dying, All That Remains, Sabbath, DevilDriver, Dio, Helloween, Gamma Ray, Maiden, Priest, Killswitch Engage, Static-X, Lamb of God, Metallica, Megadeth, Pantera, Fight, Candlemass, King Diamond, WASP, Yngwie Malmsteen, Slayer, Testament, Scatterbrain (as someone else mentioned, and I always loved "Mr. Johnson and the Juice Crew"), Godsmack, Bruce Dickenson, Iced Earth, Accept, Trivium, Ozzy, Exodus.

I love Prog too: Dream Theater, Rush, Saga, Yes, Spock's Beard, Queensryche, Floyd, Asia, LTE, Mullmuzzler

Then there's good ole hard rock/hair music: Warrant, April Wine, BOC, Purple, Riot, Quiet Riot, Kiss, Vixen, Alan Parsons, Tesla, Whitesnake, Europe, Dokken, Stryper (yes, Stryper).

I hope the prog and hard rock don't ruin my metal cred. If it helps, I've been in a few metal bands over the years, and I tend to favor thrash guitar style when I play my axe!

How cool! I didnt think anyone would admit to liking Stryper! I was totally into them back in highschool. They had style! and their drummer (Robert Sweet) was indeed very good!

Asia? wow - haven't heard too much lip service about that group in a while. They sure had some very good tunes back in the 80s. Their first album was their best - but did have some good stuff on all of their albums. Carl Palmer - again - a fabulous drummer! Jeffery Downes was an ace on the keyboards, too.

Someone mentioned they liked that high-squeel pitch voiced metal: Overkill was definitely one of those Metal Church, and King Diamond too.

A hairband metal of the 80s with a super-high good voice was Steelheart. (very Skid Row-esque) but the guy could wail!

Robert


Here's the Z-28 music from the Z-day pbp. Hopefully Gary won't wipe my links of no doubt dubious legality. They're for listening not copying!

Motorhead – Killed by Death

Motorhead – Ace of Spades

Metallica – Search and Destroy

Megadeath – Angry Again

Slayer – Dead Skin Mask

Anthrax – Got the Time

System of a Down - Question

Disturbed – 10000 Fists

Andoran

Pathfinder Modules Subscriber

For fantasy themed rock of old - let us not foget Dio (or anything James Dio touched - such as the group Elf) and lets not forget Uriah Heep.

I like some of that norweigian metal etc and stuff like Celtic Frost or Carpathian Forest - but I'm not a fan of music that I can't discern the singer.

Metal that just growls and grunts like devils doesn't work for me. I much prefer Hetfield or Mustang, or Sully of Godsmack's type of singing.

So I love the heavy thumping bass and hardcore licks of a lot of the super heavy metal bands of northern europe - but I can't appreciate the singing. Thats why I like Dream Theatre, or Hammerfall, or Godsmack. Good vocals.

Robert

Paizo Employee Managing Editor

Have any of you heard Killswitch Engage's cover of Dio's "Holy Diver"? It's by far my favorite meeting of old-school and new-school metal around.

Andoran

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber
James Sutter wrote:
Have any of you heard Killswitch Engage's cover of Dio's "Holy Diver"? It's by far my favorite meeting of old-school and new-school metal around.

It's the song I got on my MySpace page!

Andoran

Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Charter Superscriber
Robert Brambley wrote:

For fantasy themed rock of old - let us not foget Dio (or anything James Dio touched - such as the group Elf) and lets not forget Uriah Heep.

I like some of that norweigian metal etc and stuff like Celtic Frost or Carpathian Forest - but I'm not a fan of music that I can't discern the singer.

Metal that just growls and grunts like devils doesn't work for me. I much prefer Hetfield or Mustang, or Sully of Godsmack's type of singing.

So I love the heavy thumping bass and hardcore licks of a lot of the super heavy metal bands of northern europe - but I can't appreciate the singing. Thats why I like Dream Theatre, or Hammerfall, or Godsmack. Good vocals.

Robert

I'm a big fan of Uriah Heep; a cover band I was in did a cover of 'Easy Living'.

I call the growling vocal style 'Cookie Monster Metal". It took me awhile to get into it; and my wife absolutely hates it. (She tolerates the more mainstream stuff). I remember seeing Resident Evil: Apocalypse and just digging the end credit tune (which turned out to be "The End of Heartache" by Killswitch Engage). I decided to try and overlook the growling vocals and started picking up that style of metal when I went to Best Buy. Now I actually have grown to like this style; but I still ultimately prefer the more traditional, full-voice method of metal.

But as much as I like Megadeth; you gotta admit that Mustaine isn't exactly a great singer. His is an acquired taste. It wasn't his voice that made "Wake Up Dead" such a great song; it's the riff.

Shadow Lodge

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James Sutter wrote:

Here's a question: I love folks like Protest the Hero, Oh Sleeper, Misery Signals, My Bitter End, and other folks who manage to do the prog/hardcore/metal thing. Does anybody have recommendations of bands I might not have heard of who do similar things? I'm looking for someone who's harder than Dream Theater (though they're awesome), newer than Metallica (though they're awesome as well) and slightly more accessible than Dillinger or Between the Buried and Me (though they, too, are awesome). My ideal band is aggressive, alternates between brutality and really melodic stuff, and changes up the riffs constantly so you never get bored.

What have you got?

It sounds like you might want to check out Jason Bowld's new band This Is Menace. They change vocalists all the time, but this lineup was awesome. Meshuggah and SiKth fit the bill, but you probably know them already... ;D

dmchucky69 wrote:
But as much as I like Megadeth; you gotta admit that Mustaine isn't exactly a great singer. His is an acquired taste. It wasn't his voice that made "Wake Up Dead" such a great song; it's the riff.

So true. He sounds a bit better now that he's no longer on all sorts of odd drugs, but still...


Fake Healer wrote:
[...]Metallica is alright before the Black album, Fav album is Garage days or Ride the Lightning by them. Much rather hear some old high-pitched metal though.....like Metal Church.

I saw Metallica with Metal Church on the Master of Puppets tour in 1986. It it still my favorite show. Only two hundred people turned up. It was like having them play at a bar.

It made up for driving six hours that spring to see Ozzy/Metallica and having Oz cancel because of voice problems.

It would have been nice to see Burton play though. He died between the two shows.


James Sutter wrote:

Here's a question: I love folks like Protest the Hero, Oh Sleeper, Misery Signals, My Bitter End, and other folks who manage to do the prog/hardcore/metal thing. Does anybody have recommendations of bands I might not have heard of who do similar things? I'm looking for someone who's harder than Dream Theater (though they're awesome), newer than Metallica (though they're awesome as well) and slightly more accessible than Dillinger or Between the Buried and Me (though they, too, are awesome). My ideal band is aggressive, alternates between brutality and really melodic stuff, and changes up the riffs constantly so you never get bored.

What have you got?

Have you tried Opeth? I think they'd fit the bill. "Damnation" is quiet all the way through, and although it's a great album, if you're looking for contrasts, go with anyone of these albums:

. "My Arms, Your Hearse"
. "Still Life"
. "Blackwater Park"
. "Deliverance"
. "Ghost Reveries"
. "Watershed"

If this is your first taste of Opeth, "Blackwater Park" or "Ghost Reveries" would probably be a safe place to start... very heavy, but with a good dose of acoustic/quiet parts and amazing vocal melodies.

You might also want to try Tristania:

. "Beyond the Veil"
. "World of Glass"
. "Ashes"
. "Illumination"


Vattnisse wrote:


dmchucky69 wrote:
But as much as I like Megadeth; you gotta admit that Mustaine isn't exactly a great singer. His is an acquired taste. It wasn't his voice that made "Wake Up Dead" such a great song; it's the riff.
So true. He sounds a bit better now that he's no longer on all sorts of odd drugs, but still...

I think Mustaine sounds like a cartoon villain... but it fits his music... He's definitely got a distinct vocal signature!

Andoran

Pathfinder Modules Subscriber
dmchucky69 wrote:

I'm a big fan of Uriah Heep; a cover band I was in did a cover of 'Easy Living'.

I call the growling vocal style 'Cookie Monster Metal". It took me awhile to get into it; and my wife absolutely hates it. (She tolerates the more mainstream stuff). I remember seeing Resident Evil: Apocalypse and just digging the end credit tune (which turned out to be "The End of Heartache" by Killswitch Engage). I decided to try and overlook the growling vocals and started picking up that style of metal when I went to Best Buy. Now I actually have grown to like this style; but I still ultimately prefer the more traditional, full-voice method of metal.

But as much as I like Megadeth; you gotta admit that Mustaine isn't exactly a great singer. His is an acquired taste. It wasn't his voice that made "Wake Up Dead" such a great song; it's the riff.

Yes, I'll agree to that. BUT I'd rather hear him "sing" regardless of the fact that it's not great quality singing, than to listen to the demon possesion having an exorcist sounding voices.

Again, I love the MUSIC - the hardcore sound - I just can't appreciate the vocals; and for me, the vocals are the most important; which explains most of my fovorite artists of all time: aside from metal, I love singers with good vocal talent: Queen, Journey, Styx, Billy Joel, Elton John, as well as Dream Theatre, Queensryche, Iron Maiden,all had amazing vocalists.

Ideas of bands for the Viking/Norweigian type metal with good vocals would be appreciated - and anything that resembles the Dream Theatre / Blind Guardian prog-rock trend.

Robert

Andoran

Pathfinder Modules Subscriber
TwiceBorn wrote:


Have you tried Opeth? I think they'd fit the bill. "Damnation" is quiet all the way through, and although it's a great album, if you're looking for contrasts, go with anyone of these albums:

. "My Arms, Your Hearse"
. "Still Life"
. "Blackwater Park"
. "Deliverance"
. "Ghost Reveries"
. "Watershed"

If this is your first taste of Opeth, "Blackwater Park" or "Ghost Reveries" would probably be a safe place to start... very heavy, but with a good dose of acoustic/quiet parts and amazing vocal melodies.

You might also want to try Tristania:

. "Beyond the Veil"
. "World of Glass"
. "Ashes"
. "Illumination"

Hey, I'm gonna try these out - thanks for the referrals...

Robert


Robert Brambley wrote:

Ideas of bands for the Viking/Norweigian type metal with good vocals would be appreciated - and anything that resembles the Dream Theatre / Blind Guardian prog-rock trend.

Robert

In your case, I'll say Opeth again, but would encourage you to start with their newest album, "Watershed," or perhaps "Ghost Reveries." Yes, there is quite a bit of "demons being exorcised" type vocals, but they are well-balanced by beautiful clean vocals, as well. They're a Swedish band, don't have any Viking themes, but do have very complex themes to their songs and poetic lyrics... don't know if that'll do...

EDIT: And by the way, Opeth have been touring with Dream Theatre this year on the Progressive Nation tour...

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James Sutter wrote:

Here's a question: I love folks like Protest the Hero, Oh Sleeper, Misery Signals, My Bitter End, and other folks who manage to do the prog/hardcore/metal thing. Does anybody have recommendations of bands I might not have heard of who do similar things? I'm looking for someone who's harder than Dream Theater (though they're awesome), newer than Metallica (though they're awesome as well) and slightly more accessible than Dillinger or Between the Buried and Me (though they, too, are awesome). My ideal band is aggressive, alternates between brutality and really melodic stuff, and changes up the riffs constantly so you never get bored.

What have you got?

Try some Symphony X. They have a major DnD flavor to them as well, although they are not what I would consider brutal.


Robert, forgot to mention... A Viking-metal band I swear you will love: Leaves' Eyes (Norwegian singer, German band). They're fronted by a female with a beautiful voice, and their albums "Vinland Saga" and "Legend Land" are concept albums dealing with the discovery of Greenland.

Midnatt Sol (Midnight Sun) is also a great female fronted Norwegian folk/metal (!) band... give 'em a shot!

And if you haven't tried Apocalyptica, you'd probably like them too... a Finnish cello quartet that plays heavy (and I mean heavy) metal! Their first two albums were mostly cover oriented (the first album was all Metallica cover songs), but I'd say their best albums are "Cult," "Reflection," and Apocalyptica" the ones that are still primarily instrumental and which feature their best original compositions. Every album shows a definite progression, with the addition of more instruments (e.g., drums, vocals, etc.... for better and worse).

Shadow Lodge

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Lara Cobb wrote:
Symphony X. They have a major DnD flavor to them as well, although they are not what I would consider brutal.

For more good fantasy metal, check out 3 Inches Of Blood.


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Newer stuff Im into from the European Bloc

Turbonegro

Sentenced

Lordi

Rhapsody

Iron Savior

Pink Cream 69

Rammstein

Sonata Arctica

Madsen

From the US

Unearth

Iced Earth

Municipal Waste

F*cking Champs

From Japan

X Japan

I veered away from metal when it bloated into the symphony/metal combos and grunge killed the 'Ball. Though I liked

Alice in Chains and

Mother Love Bone.

I also liked a few pieces of Soundgarden. Actually just this one, JesusChristPose, and Rusty Cage...

I then wandered into ska/punk land...

Mighty Mighty Bosstones

Bad Brains

Misfits

and the industrial park

Skinny Puppy

KMFDM

NIN

and went back thru looking for things I missed the first time around. Scatterbrain, Ugly Kid Joe, and about a million others got picked up that time.

and big respect to Corrosion of Conformity. This song got me thru many many dark times.

I still listen to "hair metal" almost daily, un-ironically. There's some serious talent there. Of course, theres a s&$%load of cheese as well! Be at Rocklahoma again this year. Gonna see Queensryche perform the entire "Operation Mindcrime" disc! Plus Ace Frehley solo, Tesla, UFO, Steelheart (doing the songs from MarkyMark's "Rock Star " movie), Zebra, and Axe. Plus check out Paul Shortino (Rough Cutt) on the side stage!!

Twiceborn, thanks for Leaves' Eyes and Tristania!

and Im leaving with Nonpoint, Bile, Peppermint Creeps, Metal Skool, and Brides of Destruction FUN!!!!

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Fake Healer wrote:

I also liked a local band from the Philly area called Heaven's Edge. They opened up for Dio's Lock up the Wolves tour and I loved them.

Here is a sample of one of theirs from their website.
And their regular site.

Hey, I went to that Philly show. I bought the Heaven Edge album because of seeing them live. I'm a big fan of Dio, too. Wasn't Malmsteen there? I like his music, but man, some of those solos go on forever. My friend started yelling "Get the **** off the stage, already!" Good times.

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Vattnisse wrote:
Lara Cobb wrote:
Symphony X. They have a major DnD flavor to them as well, although they are not what I would consider brutal.
For more good fantasy metal, check out 3 Inches Of Blood.

3 Inches of Blood. The album Advance and Vanquish stayed in my CD player for a long time. How can you not like a song called "Kill the Orcs"?


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Sonata Arctica... good choice! I saw them at the Boardwalk back in February. I like the Nordic metal scene, especially HammerFall (glad to see them as a favorite in my fellow gamers' posts), Tyr, and Ensiferum.

Contributor

OK. Trying a second time... First post eaten...

Anyone else remember Loudness?
Japanese hair metal, baby! He he! :)

Oh, and thank goodness someone mentioned King Diamond/Mercyful Fate. That voice is haunting. Love it!

Rob (Drunken_Nomad), I'm a Corrosion of Conformity fan, too, but prefer the Mike Dean days. They absolutely shredded back then. On a side note, I played in a couple punk/metal bands back in the day and got to open for Mike Dean's band, Spore, after he left CoC.

Spoiler:
They pretty much sucked. But, hey, so did we! ;)


James Sutter wrote:
Have any of you heard Killswitch Engage's cover of Dio's "Holy Diver"? It's by far my favorite meeting of old-school and new-school metal around.

Yes. Awesome tune. But your link-fu is weak.


Steve Greer wrote:

Oh, and thank goodness someone mentioned King Diamond/Mercyful Fate. That voice is haunting. Love it!

This voice?

I still prefer this guy. Hey can hold his notes better. And dig those threads.

And Dave Mustaine, who knew he had a quotes section at thinkexist.com?

“If you guys are going to be throwing beer bottles at us, at least make sure they're full.”

“I think I'd make a better president than George Bush. I'll tell you what, George Bush and Dick Cheney have been to jail more times than I have, and I used to shoot heroin, now what does that tell you?”

“I'm kind of a huge a&!%*&+ and....”

Qadira

Cralius the Dark wrote:
Fake Healer wrote:

I also liked a local band from the Philly area called Heaven's Edge. They opened up for Dio's Lock up the Wolves tour and I loved them.

Here is a sample of one of theirs from their website.
And their regular site.
Hey, I went to that Philly show. I bought the Heaven Edge album because of seeing them live. I'm a big fan of Dio, too. Wasn't Malmsteen there? I like his music, but man, some of those solos go on forever. My friend started yelling "Get the **** off the stage, already!" Good times.

Yeah, a buddy of mine took me to the concert and he knew some dudes in Heaven's Edge so we went and hung with them for a bit. I don't remember if that was when I met Malmsteen or not....LOTS of partying(weed, whiskey, and women! Always a good mix!) ensued and I am a bit hazy about specifics from most of the late 80's and early 90's. ;)

Taldor PaizoCon Founder, Wayfinder Editor-in-Chief

Fake Healer wrote:

I am a bit hazy about specifics from most of the late 80's and early 90's. ;)

So, I decided to listen to Metal Church last night, and there, the first track on "Blessing in Disguise"?

Fake Healer.

The true metal roots of your alias REVEALED, sir!

;-)

Contributor

Kruelaid wrote:
Steve Greer wrote:

Oh, and thank goodness someone mentioned King Diamond/Mercyful Fate. That voice is haunting. Love it!

This voice?

I still prefer this guy. Hey can hold his notes better. And dig those threads.

And Dave Mustaine, who knew he had a quotes section at thinkexist.com?

“If you guys are going to be throwing beer bottles at us, at least make sure they're full.”

“I think I'd make a better president than George Bush. I'll tell you what, George Bush and Dick Cheney have been to jail more times than I have, and I used to shoot heroin, now what does that tell you?”

“I'm kind of a huge a@@!!%! and....”

Halford rocks, no mistake. He wails like a banshee when he wants to, but doesn't have the haunting quality that King has. Funny about Dave Mustaine... He must have stuff thrown at him a LOT. I saw Megadeth a few years back when the "new version" of the Misfits were touring with them (went for the Misfits, for the record). People kept hucking ice from their drinks at him and he got real b@&!+y, which only encouraged more ice hucking. Quite hilarious! ;)

Paizo Employee Managing Editor

TwiceBorn wrote:
James Sutter wrote:

Here's a question: I love folks like Protest the Hero, Oh Sleeper, Misery Signals, My Bitter End, and other folks who manage to do the prog/hardcore/metal thing. Does anybody have recommendations of bands I might not have heard of who do similar things? I'm looking for someone who's harder than Dream Theater (though they're awesome), newer than Metallica (though they're awesome as well) and slightly more accessible than Dillinger or Between the Buried and Me (though they, too, are awesome). My ideal band is aggressive, alternates between brutality and really melodic stuff, and changes up the riffs constantly so you never get bored.

What have you got?

Have you tried Opeth? I think they'd fit the bill. "Damnation" is quiet all the way through, and although it's a great album, if you're looking for contrasts, go with anyone of these albums:

. "My Arms, Your Hearse"
. "Still Life"
. "Blackwater Park"
. "Deliverance"
. "Ghost Reveries"
. "Watershed"

If this is your first taste of Opeth, "Blackwater Park" or "Ghost Reveries" would probably be a safe place to start... very heavy, but with a good dose of acoustic/quiet parts and amazing vocal melodies.

You might also want to try Tristania:

. "Beyond the Veil"
. "World of Glass"
. "Ashes"
. "Illumination"

Oh yes, Opeth has been tried. :)

Paizo Employee Managing Editor

Robert Brambley wrote:

Ideas of bands for the Viking/Norweigian type metal with good vocals would be appreciated - and anything that resembles the Dream Theatre / Blind Guardian prog-rock trend.

You know, as poppy as it is, I have to admit that I sometimes enjoy throwing on the Nightwish album "Once." It's what I call "soundtrack metal"... just take a listen to "Ghost Love Score" and tell me that isn't perfect orc-battlin' music. :)

Paizo Employee Managing Editor

Cralius the Dark wrote:
Vattnisse wrote:

For more good fantasy metal, check out 3 Inches Of Blood.

3 Inches of Blood. The album Advance and Vanquish stayed in my CD player for a long time. How can you not like a song called "Kill the Orcs"?

3 Inches is definitely some quality fantasy metal. We opened up for them a few months ago in Tacoma, and I have to say, they definitely put on a show. Honestly, though, their crowds are even crazier than they are - any gig where I'm loading in and see kids walk by in knight helmets instantly gets +10 awesome points. :)

Qadira

Timitius wrote:
Fake Healer wrote:

I am a bit hazy about specifics from most of the late 80's and early 90's. ;)

So, I decided to listen to Metal Church last night, and there, the first track on "Blessing in Disguise"?

Fake Healer.

The true metal roots of your alias REVEALED, sir!

;-)

I think it's time for another test! I need more of your blood.

Sign this affidavit so my insurance won't go up!
I'm a Healer.
;P

Qadira

James Sutter wrote:
Have any of you heard Killswitch Engage's cover of Dio's "Holy Diver"? It's by far my favorite meeting of old-school and new-school metal around.

Damn That ROCKS.


Fake Healer wrote:
Timitius wrote:
Fake Healer wrote:

I am a bit hazy about specifics from most of the late 80's and early 90's. ;)

So, I decided to listen to Metal Church last night, and there, the first track on "Blessing in Disguise"?

Fake Healer.

The true metal roots of your alias REVEALED, sir!

;-)

I think it's time for another test! I need more of your blood.

Sign this affidavit so my insurance won't go up!
I'm a Healer.
;P

I'm trusted and respected, says my diploma on the wall

Before I will do anything, I'll give your faith a call
I'm a healer.


Fake Healer wrote:

... I am a bit hazy about specifics from most of the late 80's and early 90's. ;)

Dude. Where did those decades go?

Whatever. Pass the bong.

Qadira

TwiceBorn wrote:
Fake Healer wrote:
Timitius wrote:
Fake Healer wrote:

I am a bit hazy about specifics from most of the late 80's and early 90's. ;)

So, I decided to listen to Metal Church last night, and there, the first track on "Blessing in Disguise"?

Fake Healer.

The true metal roots of your alias REVEALED, sir!

;-)

I think it's time for another test! I need more of your blood.

Sign this affidavit so my insurance won't go up!
I'm a Healer.
;P

I'm trusted and respected, says my diploma on the wall

Before I will do anything, I'll give your [faith]<BANK a call
I'm a healer.

Fixed that for you....

Qadira

Kruelaid wrote:
Fake Healer wrote:

... I am a bit hazy about specifics from most of the late 80's and early 90's. ;)

Dude. Where did those decades go?

Whatever. Pass the bong.

Dude, they were the BEST! I think....

Paizo Employee Publisher, Chief Creative Officer

James Sutter wrote:

Here's a question: I love folks like Protest the Hero, Oh Sleeper, Misery Signals, My Bitter End, and other folks who manage to do the prog/hardcore/metal thing. Does anybody have recommendations of bands I might not have heard of who do similar things? I'm looking for someone who's harder than Dream Theater (though they're awesome), newer than Metallica (though they're awesome as well) and slightly more accessible than Dillinger or Between the Buried and Me (though they, too, are awesome). My ideal band is aggressive, alternates between brutality and really melodic stuff, and changes up the riffs constantly so you never get bored.

What have you got?

Hey, Sutter, it's not new, but have you heard much DIAMOND HEAD? They are basically like early Metallica mixed with Led Zepplin, and they friggin RAWK.

I can burn you a sampler, if you wish. This is important, foundational stuff.

Love this thread! Sutter is completely right about metal being one of the few musical genres to embrace virtuoso musicians and atypical song structure. The chorus/solo/chorus structure of the 90s Metallica and Megadeth albums really ruined it for me. And did I hear correctly that St. Anger has _NO_ guitar solos? Blasphemy.

When I recently reclaimed my metal CDs, I really didn't care for Megadeth's Rust in Peace on the first couple of listen-throughs, as it showed signs of some of the commercialism and wankery that ultimately killed my interest in the band. After about 1000 more listens, though, I think it belongs firmly in the canon of their very best albums (which contains all Megadeth albums preceding it, incidentally).

Countdown to Extinction is just crap, though. Horrible, horrible, horrible crap designed only to dominate "Dial Mtv" and piss off fans like me. It is gross. I don't know if I'll rate a single song above 3.

I hate to keep harping on Megadeth, but they are pretty much my favorite non-Metallica band.

Anyone else (perhaps foolishly) excited by the prospect of Metallica's new album? Rick Rubin is producing, and they're allegedly going for a Ride the Lightning/Master of Puppets vibe.

Hmmm. I am considering buying it when it comes out, but right now I feel like I'm about to put my hand in that Timothy Dalton tree stump from Flash Gordon. I just _know_ I'm gonna get bit.

Paizo Employee Publisher, Chief Creative Officer

TwiceBorn wrote:


I think Mustaine sounds like a cartoon villain... but it fits his music... He's definitely got a distinct vocal signature!

Most importantly, he is one of the greatest writer/composers in metal, and some of his solos are absolutely incredible.

And I kinda like his vocals, honestly.

Also, while this is not going to win me many friends, I think pulling the drugs out of Megadeth didn't exactly improve their music.

Silver Crusade

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules Subscriber

Any Ziltoid the Omniscient fans about?(and Devin Townsend in general)

Nightwish and Symphony X have been my poison of choice for a while, even after the recent shake-ups with the former. Man that was some 3.x-4e/PC-Mac/PS3-X360 fanbase polarization there...

Andoran

Pathfinder Pawns, Roleplaying Game, Tales Subscriber

He did relapse after Countdown to Extinction and then again after World Needs a Hero (the timing of this one i am not 100 percent sure). I think it was during the culmination of the Countdown tour that he died from an overdose for a period of time but was resucitated*, maybe he wrote something during these experiences? ALthough I am 100 percent sure if he did write anything good, that appeared after these episodes, he didnt put them on Risk.
Its strange how we diverge on when we started hating the music. I always put it at Risk when they went for the Mtv crowd. I guess I held out hope longer, Risk really hurt as a fan, especially the firing the fans s%+# that was said.
Since that one he has been trying to recreate Rust In Piece with each release, some near hits but always just missing. For example the solo on Burnt Ice ,last song on United Abominations, is great but the lyrics fall flat.

Andoran

Pathfinder Pawns, Roleplaying Game, Tales Subscriber
Erik Mona wrote:


Most importantly, he is one of the greatest writer/composers in metal, and some of his solos are absolutely incredible.

I agree with you on this, alot. I should stop now before i gush and spew more non relevent megadeth facts. Sorry

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