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And now for an example of it being badly done. In Torchwood: Miracle Day (please don't inflict this upon yourself if you haven't already watched it), the character Jack Harkness is supposedly omni-sexual. I say supposedly because he barely shows any interest in any female or alien characters during the entire series. However, in one brief scene, it seems that the writer somehow remembered that, and made him comment on how attractive some woman across the street was. And then returned to having sex with his male human lover. It came across as forced, as if the writer wanted to hammer home that he was bi, but without resorting to having to involve one of those icky women-things.
It probably doesn't help matters that the writer also made the big evil responsible for the bad stuff happening a giant vagina.
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Torchwood is pretty terrible, I'll grant you.
Torchwood is pretty terrible, I'll grant you.
I think the first two series are much better than Miracle Day which, more than anything, drags on too long. I think they have a better handle on Jack's sexuality in those series as well. Children of Earth covers that better than Miracle Day as well.
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Torchwood is pretty terrible, I'll grant you.I think the first two series are much better than Miracle Day which, more than anything, drags on too long. I think they have a better handle on Jack's sexuality in those series as well. Children of Earth covers that better than Miracle Day as well.
I haven't seen Children of Earth or Miracle Day, so I only know him from series 1 & 2 and from the Doctor. From what I saw of him in those, his sexuality was handled pretty well if I remember correctly.
Yea, Captain Jack hit on everyone in Doctor Who (regardless of gender, or even species). He even hit on a female insect/humanoid in one episode.
This thread has raised a very serious and pressing issue:
Do mimics have a gender?
Don't see why they'd need any, since they don't seem to have their own culture and (I assume) reproduce asexually. If a humanoid decided to keep one as a friend or minion and started calling it he or she, it just might pick that pronoun up, but I can't see how an amorphous being that spends most of its time pretending to be inanimate objects could actually fill any gender role.
Giving this question serious thought was more relaxing and worthwhile than a lot of the reading I just did on the way here...
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This thread has raised a very serious and pressing issue:
Do mimics have a gender?
Don't see why they'd need any, since they don't seem to have their own culture and (I assume) reproduce asexually. If a humanoid decided to keep one as a friend or minion and started calling it he or she, it just might pick that pronoun up, but I can't see how an amorphous being that spends most of its time pretending to be inanimate objects could actually fill any gender role.
Giving this question serious thought was more relaxing and worthwhile than a lot of the reading I just did on the way here...
As a shapeshifter, I think it's likely they are a race of hermaphrodites.
Like ropers.
Yeah. It's probably safe to assume that creatures with one or no biological sex have no gender roles within their own cultures, if they have any.
Ropers are weird though because they have a philosophical predisposition, and individuals (especially those that regularly interact with humanoids) might develop their own notions of gender or sexual self-identity. Given that their societies never extend beyond limited clusters, however, I would assume that it's not something that would develop and become widespread on its own.
I gotta say, if this is what this thread becomes from now on, I won't argue.
Mmm, they are highly curious and influenced by what they torture out of people.
Alice,
That is a insult to Aboriginal culture, to attempt to compare the Aboriginal Dreamtime and its rich tapestry of stories as being represented in the scant detail of a fantasy setting. :'(
Oh, give me a break. We do it to every nationality in Europe, and I don't see anyone complaining about that.
Golarion is not here, it is not us. Now a group can demand to be included, we want representation! They can indeed do that, and the gaming company that produces the setting can get very political and side with one group over another. All this is what I consider undesirable (as a dm, as a player). For ported identities, it should be entirely up to the dm as to what goes in, so that there will be games with LGBT and games without T, and games with none of them where sexuality is entirely unimportant, in the older style which Andrew seems to favour. The company producing the setting should stay right out of this, make some notes and suggestions and never try to force any dm or player, to play their politics.
It's Paizo's setting. They can populate it with as many gays, lesbians, bisexuals, and transfolk as they wish. They've decided they want to cater to LGBT culture. They can do that. What they cannot do is tell you how to run a game at your own table. If you want to ignore all references to transgendered people, it's neither difficult nor forbidden. You can do that, you can include such people, or you can stop playing. Pick whichever works best for you.
Can we all agree to stop using the term "shoving it down our throats" within threads involving homosexuality? When talking about gay people, that phrase can be taken as somewhat... discomforting.
Oh, give me a break. We do it to every nationality in Europe, and I don't see anyone complaining about that.Alice,
That is a insult to Aboriginal culture, to attempt to compare the Aboriginal Dreamtime and its rich tapestry of stories as being represented in the scant detail of a fantasy setting. :'(
Er, actually Asians did complain about Tian. Mainly the messed up but obviously borrowed names, the skewed and partial history, the confused and jumbled up countries of the regions and blending all manner of Asian peoples from our world into Tian xia. Valid complaints about the lazy borrowing.
This is why you don't just copy paste, people. Invent and create.
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To everyone, please ignore the obvious trolls. I really hope that theme is closed soon.
I wonder how Erastil reacts to LGBT people. On that same vein, I wonder what Asmodeus thinks about male-on-male action...
I wonder how Erastil reacts to LGBT people. On that same vein, I wonder what Asmodeus thinks about male-on-male action...
Erastil I think would not care as long it stregthens the community.
I think Asmodeus really does not care what mortals beyond how he can use it for his ends.
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I wonder how Erastil reacts to LGBT people. On that same vein, I wonder what Asmodeus thinks about male-on-male action...
Personal take:
Erastil - If it makes for a happier and more stable family, he's okay with it. I don't really see the orientation being as important to him as the results. Probably has a high expectation of same-sex couples to adopt.
Asmodeus - It all comes down to power dynamics more than sexuality. If you're dominant, you're doing it right. Any possible shame gets shifted to the "submissive" party.
Brigh - Try to imagine an IKEA manual for sex and you're halfway there.
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I wonder how Erastil reacts to LGBT people. On that same vein, I wonder what Asmodeus thinks about male-on-male action...Personal take:
Erastil - If it makes for a happier and more stable family, he's okay with it. I don't really see the orientation being as important to him as the results. Probably has a high expectation of same-sex couples to adopt.
Asmodeus - It all comes down to power dynamics more than sexuality. If you're dominant, you're doing it right. Any possible shame gets shifted to the "submissive" party.
Brigh - Try to imagine an IKEA manual for sex and you're halfway there.
In places where LGBT people are shunned (which per Jacobs happens regionally, just not globally), I would imagine Lamashtu has her claws in - get the vulnerable, the outcast. Promise them revenge.
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In places where LGBT people are shunned (which per Jacobs happens regionally, just not globally), I would imagine Lamashtu has her claws in - get the vulnerable, the outcast. Promise them revenge.I wonder how Erastil reacts to LGBT people. On that same vein, I wonder what Asmodeus thinks about male-on-male action...Personal take:
Erastil - If it makes for a happier and more stable family, he's okay with it. I don't really see the orientation being as important to him as the results. Probably has a high expectation of same-sex couples to adopt.
Asmodeus - It all comes down to power dynamics more than sexuality. If you're dominant, you're doing it right. Any possible shame gets shifted to the "submissive" party.
Brigh - Try to imagine an IKEA manual for sex and you're halfway there.
Yeah, this is a very tragic and believable possibility. It gets a bit complicated by Lamashtu being even more focused on "forming babby" than Erastil, but there are still angles that can be taken there. I want to say the evil halfling from NPC Codex could be an example of such a possibility, though her motives were different.
Same thing for Zon-Kuthon getting his hooks into people with BDSM leanings that are stuck in a repressive society that denies healthy outlets...
Y'know, in such an environment, it's easy to imagine secretive cults of Zon-Kuthon and Arshea/fringe-Shelynites clashing* over the same potential worshippers and working to subvert each other.
*Autocorrect put "lashing" there of its own accord, so that Freudian slip is entirely on my iPhone, not me.
I can see some gods just not caring...like Gorum...is all about the battle field. What happens in the war camps stays in the war camps...as long as you fight on the battlefield.
Lamashtu I think would have problem with homosexual behavior...if it gets in your way to reproduce.
Personally, I think (completely NOT cannon, of course) that Asmodeus can be a great god for all the "I hate/belittle everything that is not like me", but make it seems as something pseudo-logical. Seems something Lawful Evil and related to tyranny for me; disguising your hates as the "the right, traditional and logical way of thinking".