Homosexuality in Golarion


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Sure, and sexual release doesn't have to at all involve trans characters. Or their desires brought into a game.

I've run intense political games, lot of violence, betrayal and danger, and there was no call for trans npcs, trans sexual encounters or trans classes and lords. Sigh. Paizo, you don't know what is best for us, but on your political affirmation campaign goes.

I can't see many in my groups really going for it (and no, we are not all conservatives, christians or white, lol). The only trans they like, is some transmutation (joke had to be made).

Thank you Kitty, I hadn't heard willy-nilly for a while. It was entertaining.

Liberty's Edge

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3.5 Loyalist, that doesn't mean that other people aren't looking for it! I'm really happy that there are trans people. Obviously plenty of other people are. Why are you so sure that you know what is best for Paizo's customer base?


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Once upon a time there were people who couldn't see women in roleplaying, or non-whites in roleplaying, or anything else. It was all about the elves and dragons, damnit, and stop getting you PC crap in my fantasy!

And they're all gone.

I know a trans RPer, although not well. She's very good at what she does. Why, exactly, doesn't she deserve to see NPC's like her? I can find a few like me.


3.5 Loyalist wrote:

Sure, and sexual release doesn't have to at all involve trans characters. Or their desires brought into a game.

I've run intense political games, lot of violence, betrayal and danger, and there was no call for trans npcs, trans sexual encounters or trans classes and lords. Sigh. Paizo, you don't know what is best for us, but on your political affirmation campaign goes.

I can't see many in my groups really going for it (and no, we are not all conservatives, christians or white, lol). The only trans they like, is some transmutation (joke had to be made).

And all of this "political affirmation campaign" involves having one or two NPCs whose previous gender may not even come up in game. It's background information. As a GM, you can choose to emphasize it or ignore it.

As far as I know, there are no "trans sexual encounters or trans classes and lords" in Paizo's products. I'm not even sure what the latter two might be. I guess one of the NPCs might be a lord of some kind?

I really don't see the horribly intrusive nature of all this. The vast majority of players in most games are going to nod at it in passing. A handful will freak out or the GM will cut it out. Another handful will get some kind of affirmation from it.
It's not going to lead to vast transformation of the setting. The AP isn't going to be about trans issues. Whatever it is you're worried about isn't going to happen. Unless you're worried about the mere mention of trans characters in game materials, in which case I really don't care.

Personally, I'm for it in kind of an abstract way. I'm not likely to use the actual products where it comes up, so it won't affect my games directly.


3.5 Loyalist wrote:
Sure, and sexual release doesn't have to at all involve trans characters. Or their desires brought into a game.

The AP doesn't have to include a trans character, but it does, and that's not a bad thing. Regarding their "desires" being brought into the game--she's a minor character, and as I've already stated, will not demand too much of the spot light. The AP doesn't revolve around her being transgendered. It'll likely remain a secret, unless the DM (as in, you) decide to inform the party.


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I don't think Wrath of the Righteous is an AP solely focused on killing demons. It's not as simple as team blue vs. team red.

Demons are evil.

The player characters are good.

Part of being good is being compassionate, meaning that you accept other people for who they are and try and help them as best you can, by whatever means are available to you.

So, does it come as any surprise that in such an AP, an NPC that is a member of minority is represented as heroic and worthy of the same respect, love, and care as any other person? You know, a person that, were they to live in our world, would face hateful bigotry?

This AP, appears to me, to be more focused on morality and alignment than any other to date. Hell, there's even gonna be a "risen" demon (as in, a good one). Meaning, redemption is possible.

It's not all "kill the bad guys".

Silver Crusade

Detect Magic wrote:

I don't think Wrath of the Righteous is an AP solely focused on killing demons. It's not as simple as team blue vs. team red.

Demons are evil.

The player characters are good.

Part of being good is being compassionate, meaning that you accept other people for who they are and try and help them as best you can, by whatever means are available to you.

So, does it come as any surprise that in such an AP, an NPC that is a member of minority is represented as heroic and worthy of the same respect, love, and care as any other person? You know, a person that, were they to live in our world, would face hateful bigotry?

This AP, appears to me, to be more focused on morality and alignment than any other to date. Hell, there's even gonna be a "risen" demon (as in, a good one). Meaning, redemption is possible.

It's not all "kill the bad guys".

THIS

I would not be as excited as I am about WotR if it was nothing but demon killing.

If that was all there was to it, I wouldn't have any real interest in it at all.


JonGarrett wrote:
I could see a scene where a higher level PC spellcaster was approached by someone, asking them to help perform a ritual to fully switch there gender to the one they want. 3.5's bizarre example - where you can replace 'I wanna be another gender' with pretty much anything except 'I wanna be somewhere not about to die' and it's still bizarre - is so unlikely to happen, ever, that it's not even really worth discussing.

Paizo should release a blog detailing a gender-swapping spell. There's got to be one if there's an elixer that can do so (according to Irabeth and Avenia's backstory). I'd like to know how much such an item would cost, as well.


3.5 Loyalist wrote:
I am not saying all trans characters are like this, I am painting an example of why a trans character lamenting their wrongful sex and confused about their self and gender (and how it all just doesn't fit for them) does not fit into heroic fantasy.

Which shows you haven't even read the AP or the character in question. Anevia isn't confused and doesn't lament her wrongful sex. You are complaining for the sake of complaining.

Maybe go and read the AP?

Grand Lodge

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Detect Magic wrote:
JonGarrett wrote:
I could see a scene where a higher level PC spellcaster was approached by someone, asking them to help perform a ritual to fully switch there gender to the one they want. 3.5's bizarre example - where you can replace 'I wanna be another gender' with pretty much anything except 'I wanna be somewhere not about to die' and it's still bizarre - is so unlikely to happen, ever, that it's not even really worth discussing.
Paizo should release a blog detailing a gender-swapping spell. There's got to be one if there's an elixer that can do so (according to Irabeth and Avenia's backstory). I'd like to know how much such an item would cost, as well.

Wes Schneider talked about it right here. :)


Awesome, thanks Kitty.


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OTOH, in the Worldwound in particular, "I don't feel like this is my real body" should probably trigger some anti-demon/possession/corruption protocols.
I've seen enough horror movies...


Nice one, thejeff.


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Mark Sweetman wrote:
3.5 Loyalist wrote:
I am not saying all trans characters are like this, I am painting an example of why a trans character lamenting their wrongful sex and confused about their self and gender (and how it all just doesn't fit for them) does not fit into heroic fantasy.

Which shows you haven't even read the AP or the character in question. Anevia isn't confused and doesn't lament her wrongful sex. You are complaining for the sake of complaining.

Maybe go and read the AP?

I'm sorry Dave. I'm afraid I can't do that.

You will find out why shortly.


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...You can't read? :P


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Silver Crusade

What has the label got to do with the actuality?

Different cultures called it different things, had different ideas and taboos regarding it, just as we do today.

But 'it' existed, and reasonably must exist in any fantasy world which includes, well, vertebrates.

The idea of our modern trans* subculture shouldn't be transported whole-cloth into Golarion....but no-one is suggesting that it should.

The existence of people whose body/brain genders are not paired is not a subculture.

Sovereign Court Contributor

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Funny how my heroic fantasy campaign set in RW-based legends from and about India has plenty of room for transpeople.

I think any culture that accepts reincarnation, and hence the distinction between the soul/mind and the body is going to have an easier time accepting that mistakes are made in body allocations.

Moreover, Ardhanarishvara, the composite male-female form of Shiva, dates from the 1st century CE. Oh, here's a Hindu discussion of the matter.

When Vudra gets done I fully expect a proper treatment of this subject. Hijra and hermaphrodites and gender-fluid people belong in fantasy India and if Paizo adopts post-19th Century and modern day South Asian puritanism instead of what the ancient scriptures, literature, and religions allowed and depicted, it will insult the whole traditional notion of a third sex:

"There are also third-sex citizens, sometimes greatly attached to one another and with complete faith in one another, who get married together." (KS 2.9.36)

I all seriousness, a fantasy world has more important things to do than defining otherness based on subdivisions of what is human. There are far more important and dangerous others than women or queer folk. Plus Golarion clearly doesn't assign a near-monopoly of divine archetypes and philosophers to men, hence patriarchy isn't going to get written into/proclaimed to be traditional in the way it was in medieval Europe.

Also, I want Vudra to blow your minds, which means being awesome in its non-Western glory. Most of these transgressive empyreal lords and so forth would be very normative in the South Asian Hindu and Tantric Buddhist pantheons.

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