1. I can't believe this thread made it to page 3.
2. Don't urinate on jellyfish stings. It causes them to discharge more nematocysts, and it makes giving you an ambulance ride really unpleasant. :)
These aren't social mistakes because there's no one to be friends with.
I’m going to have to disagree with this one as well. I’m assuming your posting under an alias, unless you are just finally moving out of lurk mode, either one of which is fine, but honestly, a lot of these people have been really kind to me without ever having met me.
Thinking they are just names on a message board is how you get into trouble on the internet. Every single name (including the employees) is a real person, at home or work with thoughts and feelings and beliefs and opinions that, quite frankly are often totally contradictory to your own.
Do I like everyone? No, but I respect everyone (including you Dingo, even if I think you are off your rocker ;) ) and I expect to be treated in kind. I have a strict “never meet with people from the internet” rule, but honestly, a lot of the friends (yes, friends) I have made here are people I would seriously consider just hanging out with. We’re not close enough to do the knuckle punch “Sup bish?” routine, but that doesn’t diminish the bond.
Something else to keep in mind: Yes, this message board is here to support a brand, but think about it for a moment. These boards are here, free to use, with limited to no advertising, very light moderation, fantastic technical support above and beyond, and attentive genuine developer feedback. Name another one, anywhere, that has that, and I’ll personally mail you $10 via paypal.
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Something else to keep in mind: Yes, this message board is here to support a brand, but think about it for a moment. These boards are here, free to use, with limited to no advertising, very light moderation, fantastic technical support above and beyond, and attentive genuine developer feedback. Name another one, anywhere, that has that, and I’ll personally mail you $10 via paypal.
Dumpshock
graywulfe
PS: this is not anattempt to refute what you are saying at all, I'm just an a%#@##+. So where's my ten dollars? :P
@ roguerouge
The wise man doesn't blame the rain for getting him wet. But he still values an umbrella.
Clear as rain.
These aren't social mistakes because there's no one to be friends with.
Honestly, you're names on a message board. I could walk by you on the street today and not know who you are. But if you were on fire I would throw some water on you. But on a message board, why bother? Ones and zeroes, man. Ones and zeroes.
No, really. You're creating a community to gain feedback on a game system. That's what you're doing. Politeness can kiss my ass if being impolite makes a better game system. Really, what are you trying to do? MAKE A BETTER GAME. Who gives a crap if you're polite in doing it?
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... So a few babies get smacked, a couple of lamerz get dissed, a handful of feelings are hurt. Is this really important in the grand scheme?
Yes, this ethos would be why people with Asperger's have historically found the net to be very helpful to them. Thank you for expressing my argument so well.
These aren't social mistakes because there's no one to be friends with.
Honestly, you're names on a message board. I could walk by you on the street today and not know who you are. But if you were on fire I would throw some water on you. But on a message board, why bother? Ones and zeroes, man. Ones and zeroes.
No, really. You're creating a community to gain feedback on a game system. That's what you're doing. Politeness can kiss my ass if being impolite makes a better game system. Really, what are you trying to do? MAKE A BETTER GAME. Who gives a crap if you're polite in doing it?
I would much rather Paizo yank D&D3.5E from the depths of despair and make it a coherent role-playing game system than worry about who's being nice to whom. The former is a worthwhile goal; on the Internet the latter is pointless.
What are we after in the end? A good game. Who cares how we get there? So a few babies get smacked, a couple of lamerz get dissed, a handful of feelings are hurt. Is this really important in the grand scheme?
Dude, make a good game. If that means listening to Frank, so be it. If that means banning him, so be it. But don't do either in the name of hurt feelings, for heaven's sakes. Nobody thinks a game sucks or doesn't suck because someone's feelings are hurt in the process.
Paizo, you're not my friend. You're a company. The people on this board aren't my friends; they're digits. Paizo, make a good game, and do what you must to make a good game.
Frankly, you are a troll, man.
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These aren't social mistakes because there's no one to be friends with.
Honestly, you're names on a message board. I could walk by you on the street today and not know who you are. But if you were on fire I would throw some water on you. But on a message board, why bother? Ones and zeroes, man. Ones and zeroes.
No, really. You're creating a community to gain feedback on a game system. That's what you're doing. Politeness can kiss my ass if being impolite makes a better game system. Really, what are you trying to do? MAKE A BETTER GAME. Who gives a crap if you're polite in doing it?
I would much rather Paizo yank D&D3.5E from the depths of despair and make it a coherent role-playing game system than worry about who's being nice to whom. The former is a worthwhile goal; on the Internet the latter is pointless.
What are we after in the end? A good game. Who cares how we get there? So a few babies get smacked, a couple of lamerz get dissed, a handful of feelings are hurt. Is this really important in the grand scheme?
Dude, make a good game. If that means listening to Frank, so be it. If that means banning him, so be it. But don't do either in the name of hurt feelings, for heaven's sakes. Nobody thinks a game sucks or doesn't suck because someone's feelings are hurt in the process.
Paizo, you're not my friend. You're a company. The people on this board aren't my friends; they're digits. Paizo, make a good game, and do what you must to make a good game.
Hello, my moniker is Fake Healer. My friends are MBeeler, Heathy, Lilith, Kruelaid, Kobold Cleaver, The Eldritch Mr. Shiny, Ultradan (I miss you brother), Aubrey the Malformed, Aberzombie, Gavgoyle, Sebastian, Radaval, Kirth Gerson, Watcher, James Keegan, all the Paizo guys, several writers including Nick Logue, Richard Pett, and many more posters than I can even write.
I have been on these boards for years and I enjoy the community here tremendously. The boards here aren't just for making a fairly recent game or just posting an opinion. I have prayed for people on these boards. I have offered advice and hope during divorces and said prayer for people's illnesses to get better. I have vented my own personal demons on these boards and been given support in return.I may never meet some of these people but some are better friends than I have ever had.
This is a community in every sense of the word.
I hope you want to make friends here and not just take what you want and leave. We'd love to have you stay a while.
Hello, my moniker is Fake Healer. My friends are MBeeler, Heathy, Lilith, Kruelaid, Kobold Cleaver, The Eldritch Mr. Shiny, Ultradan (I miss you brother), Aubrey the Malformed, Aberzombie, Gavgoyle, Sebastian, Radaval, Kirth Gerson, Watcher, James Keegan, all the Paizo guys, several writers including Nick Logue, Richard Pett, and many more posters than I can even write.
I have been on these boards for years and I enjoy the community here tremendously. The boards here aren't just for making a fairly recent game or...
Fake Healer for 'Paizo CEO For the Day'
You know like those old contests where you become the CEO of a mjor coportation, only you don't have any actual power (so it says in the fine print) but they give you prizes?
This is the same thing, only probably without the prizes.
FAKE HEALER, PAIZO CEO OF THE DAY!
Paizo, you're not my friend. You're a company. The people on this board aren't my friends; they're digits.
I have friends on Paizo. I've shaken hands with Paizonians and traded gifts. I joined a writing group that takes up most of my free time because of Paizo. In September, Paizo and I are expecting our first child together.
These people are not just digits. Digits are digits.
Charlton Heston screams: "Posters are people! They're PEOPLE!"
I don't know if that's in wikipedia but I'm quite certain it's a fact. To say otherwise is to look for a dehumanizing rationalization for one's own inability to win debates by simply making good points and leaving it at that. Capping one's points with over the top insults can either be funny or detrimental, depending on whether or not you were smiling through your words. It's a fine line. I just avoid it altogether because I have big feet.
To me, the feeling of posters... even those who I find sometimes troublesome, adversarial, or just mildly contrarian, really do matter. I respect all people, and do my best to be civil until someone gives me a solid reason to be otherwise.
Paizo.com is one of the best places to be on the net because enough of us feel the same way. We have constructed our own reality and we like it just fine.
If you really want me to be a digit though. I choose middle finger. See? Kinda insulting but humor acts as my net. ;) jk btw, I choose pinky so I can hold myself up and act haughty while sipping. Oo, look at me! Chichi. Ain't I fancy?!
Yeah, I bopped out of lurk mode for that. Sorry for not having established my credentials beforehand. But, again, it's the Internet. What are you gonna do?
I have no problem with kindness. Honestly. But what we're discussing is game design. We're discussing editing. Neither of these has jack shlt to do with making friends, and everything to do with calling people on mistaken assumptions and pointing out ways to improve the text.
Really. When you're to the point where you've got a product that does what it's supposed to do, and that is then being discussed, then a community can be created, but using lacking kindness as an excuse to ban folks from a game design discussion leads to space hamsters and wolves-in-sheep-clothing and Player's Options books and thinking multiclassed sorcerers are A-okay.
The game needs to be better. I'm okay with hurt feelings if the product develops because of it. What would you rather have, an angry coversation on the Internet for a day and a half or the best version of D&D?
I disagree. The strong community on these boards it one of its greatest strengths, and in my opinion the greatest reason for such an undertaking to be done here. The game itself creates community, and if one ignores this during the game's design the final product will likely fail to meet the expectations of that community.
In my opinion, this is one of the major flaws with 4E; WotC seems to have lost touch with the community it created, either on accident or by design, and is approaching the development of their product in the same method you describe. In most cases, product development may not have anything directly to do with making friends, but in this industry community is what every thing's all about.
It's true that we're working to help create a great game, but everyone needs to realize that there's a difference between constructive and destructive criticism. One can point out mistakes and errors, and offer differing points of view and opinion, without resorting to personal attacks and rude behavior. Use of constructive criticism can only make the game stronger; destructive criticism can only make it weaker.
Director of Game Development
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Hello, my moniker is Fake Healer. My friends are MBeeler, Heathy, Lilith, Kruelaid, Kobold Cleaver, The Eldritch Mr. Shiny, Ultradan (I miss you brother), Aubrey the Malformed, Aberzombie, Gavgoyle, Sebastian, Radaval, Kirth Gerson, Watcher, James Keegan, all the Paizo guys, several writers including Nick Logue, Richard Pett, and many more posters than I can even write.
Richard.
I know making lists of the fine people here is difficult, but, what? Couldn't take it upon yourself to include me? I even had dinner at your house. That you and the family were unaware of it should have no consequence to the time we spent. ;)
Hello, my moniker is Fake Healer. My friends are MBeeler, Heathy, Lilith, Kruelaid, Kobold Cleaver, The Eldritch Mr. Shiny, Ultradan (I miss you brother), Aubrey the Malformed, Aberzombie, Gavgoyle, Sebastian, Radaval, Kirth Gerson, Watcher, James Keegan, all the Paizo guys, several writers including Nick Logue, Richard Pett, and many more posters than I can even write.Richard.
I know making lists of the fine people here is difficult, but, what? Couldn't take it upon yourself to include me? I even had dinner at your house. That you and the family were unaware of it should have no consequence to the time we spent. ;)
Maybe he can fake heal my ailing ego as well. I so... I so tried with that man.
::runs off in weepy hysterics::
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The game needs to be better. I'm okay with hurt feelings if the product develops because of it. What would you rather have, an angry coversation on the Internet for a day and a half or the best version of D&D?
Sounds like you're operating under the assumption that in order to make the game better, we have to have a contentious discussion about the game. I think that's a false assumption.
I've used this saying before and I'll use it again: you catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar. You can have great ideas, but if your demeanor and presentation turn people off, they won't listen. Maybe that's not how things should be in a world where logic rules supreme and people are judged solely on the strength of their ideas and not their attitude while presenting those ideas to their peers. However, we don't live in that world.
Man is a feel-good creature. When you make people feel bad, they don't want to be around you or listen to you. The people you end up attracting are people like yourself that don't care about the touchy-feely stuff, just the meat. [By the way, I'm using "you," "your," etc. in the generic sense; I'm not referring to you specifically.]
For example, I personally don't see that using foul language is really necessary to any discussion we've had or will have about Pathfinder. Now don't get me wrong, when I was younger (say from 13 to about 25), I could and would cuss a blue-streak about a mile wide. As I've gotten older and other changes in my life occurred, I've come to realize that it's a waste of breath in most cases. I tend to just skip over posts with much swearing If people want to swear, that's their choice, but I neither have to read no give any weight or credibility to their posts or ideas. That's just my choice. I certainly don't demand that posters only use the language I prefer, but I've come to realize that Paizo has been wise enough to know that creating a friendly environment where people feel welcome and "at home" helps them sell products. It's a business decision, and a very smart one.
-Skeld
Something I once heard someone wiser that myself say: "Encourage someone and they will move mountains; discourage them and they will just hide under them."
-Skeld
Coming from a school of philosophical realism: "Encourage someone to move mountains and you can expect to be sued over their resulting hernia."
Charlton Heston screams: "Posters are people! They're PEOPLE!"
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They're people?
Like every time you've responded to one of my posts, I've run around telling everyone, "The funny wolf talked to me today! The funny wolf talked to me today!"
Boy, do I feel embarrassed.
Daigle really is a mantis, right? I mean, he said so yesterday. He wouldn't say that if it wasn't true, right? Right?
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::runs off in weepy hysterics::
You guys made The Jade cry!
Don't feel bad Jade... Let's cheer this gloomy thread up with a song. That'll lighten the spirits. Some of ya can dance around the bonefire, and we can barbecue. That's what people who can't afford tickets to the Kentucky Derby do around here today...
(Watcher grabs a guitar)
This is to the tune of 'Sweet Home Alabama' by Lynyrd Skynyrd
Big horses keep on riding
Carry me home to see my kin
Singing songs about the Sandpoint
I miss Pathfinder once again
And I think its a sin, yes
(guitar riff)
Well I heard Mister Troll sing about it
Well, I heard ol' Frank put it down
Well, I hope Frank Trollman will remember
Pathfinder folk don't need him around anyhow
Sweet home Pathfinder!
Where the skies are so blue
Sweet Home Pathfinder!
Desna, I'm coming home to you
What would you rather have, an angry coversation on the Internet for a day and a half or the best version of D&D?
False dichotomy.
Like every time you've responded to one of my posts, I've run around telling everyone, "The funny wolf talked to me today! The funny wolf talked to me today!"Boy, do I feel embarrassed.
Daigle really is a mantis, right? I mean, he said so yesterday. He wouldn't say that if it wasn't true, right? Right?
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Lol. Honestly, I've talked to people out here in the real world about you as well.
"There's this guy Trey that just showed up one day and launched right into conversation, and he's as funny, clever and well written as anyone I've ever met."
And yes, Daigle is most certainly a mantid. It's why he's still a virgin. When his kind mates the female eats the head of the male to better feed the baby. I have actually seen this happen six times in my life.
Don't feel bad Jade... Let's cheer this gloomy thread up with a song. That'll lighten the spirits. Some of ya can dance around the bonefire, and we can barbecue. That's what people who can't afford tickets to the Kentucky Derby do around here today...
Well I heard Mister Troll sing about it.
That was hilarious!
Sorry for calling dude an f~~&tard guys. It burned me hard that a guy would roll in here and opine on something about which he knows so little, cuz well, only I'm allowed to do that.
Again: I'm apologizing to my friends, here, meaning all of you, not to the dude who thinks the internet is a cold alien landscape.
Sorry for calling dude an f#&!tard guys. It burned me hard that a guy would roll in here and opine on something about which he knows so little, cuz well, only I'm allowed to do that.
Again: I'm apologizing to my friends, here, meaning all of you, not to the dude who thinks the internet is a cold alien landscape.
I'm just pissed you said an f#&!tard when it's a f#&!tard. We have standards, man.
My spellin' ain't so good since daddy spanked my head with the chevy.
My spellin' ain't so good since daddy spanked my head with the chevy.
My sympathies. I once took a Kawasaki 750 (with sidecar) up the wazoo during the worst play date ever. Since, I've not been able to even look at a sandbox without turning my bluejeans green.
I'm just pissed you said an f#&!tard when it's a f#&!tard. We have standards, man.I would've settled for ass-clown personally.
Ass-clown?
Is that two great tastes that taste great together?A way of entertaining babies when you're facing away, doing more important things?
Or is that just the scariest jack-'n-the crack ever?!
1. I can't believe this thread made it to page 3.
2. Don't urinate on jellyfish stings. It causes them to discharge more nematocysts, and it makes giving you an ambulance ride really unpleasant. :)
2. That was sage, man.
1. Were you born yesterday?
It's open to creative translation.
Well of course it was. You don't think the door was locked and I broke in, do you? I would never do that.
Charlton Heston screams: "Posters are people! They're PEOPLE!"
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They're people?
Like every time you've responded to one of my posts, I've run around telling everyone, "The funny wolf talked to me today! The funny wolf talked to me today!"
Boy, do I feel embarrassed.
Daigle really is a mantis, right? I mean, he said so yesterday. He wouldn't say that if it wasn't true, right? Right?
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I feel your pain, Mr. Owl. This is what I really look like. I thought everyone chose their avatars that way.
I'm a mutant baby
And I'm okay
I'm a mutant all night
And God's cruelest mistake
I'm a mutant baby
And I'm okay
Someone needs to change the water in here.
Needs work, but I like it.
May I actually call you mutant baby, from now on, James? Most posters will miss this particular post and never know what launched the tradition.
I can explain to them.
Well... because he's actually a mutant baby.
"There's this guy Trey that just showed up one day and launched right into conversation, and he's as funny, clever and well written as anyone I've ever met."
No way, really? I hope I don't ever run into him, because he's probably going to want to kick the heck out of me for posting stupid remarks using the same name as him.
Smart Trey, if you are reading this, don't hate dork Trey for what he does.
No way, really? I hope I don't ever run into him, because he's probably going to want to kick the heck out of me for posting stupid remarks using the same name as him.Smart Trey, if you are reading this, don't hate dork Trey for what he does.
No pressure. Goonies are good enough.
Charlton Heston screams: "Posters are people! They're PEOPLE!"
So was Soylent Green. ;)
So was Soylent Green. ;)
Charlton Heston screams: "Posters are people! They're PEOPLE!"
Ok, I am going to make a post so this will no doubt result in threadkill since every thread I post on seems to go dead soon after.
All I can say is that people are debating the merits of a poster named "Trollman" being banned?
heh...I've been on boards where just having the word "troll" in your name will get you banned. After all, aren't internet trolls notorious for trying to stir s&%% up in order to enteratin themselves?
I haven't seen any of posts but for my 2 cents sounds exactly what he was doing.
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Ok, I am going to make a post so this will no doubt result in threadkill since every thread I post on seems to go dead soon after.
If you truly have that message board superpower, I might hire you for your services in the future. That is a talent that can be used for good, indeed.
Um. Hasn't this very thread proved that wrong?
No. One example does not prove a general rule.
Moreover, when a thing is not being done, the lack thereof does not prove that it can't be done.
Good thing, because I'm not drinking scotch right now.
And yet the Scotch are drinking just fine without you.
:O I did. I said it. Got some Scottish blood myself. Down, boys.
Did I mention the Scottish blood was on my knuckles?
I kid again! It's in my bloodstream.
Did I mention it's in my bloodstream because I'm a vampire with a fetish for dudes in kilts?
Once again I kid. I really am part Scottish.
Did I mention I had a transplant?
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Hello, my moniker is Fake Healer. My friends are MBeeler, Heathy, Lilith, Kruelaid, Kobold Cleaver, The Eldritch Mr. Shiny, Ultradan (I miss you brother), Aubrey the Malformed, Aberzombie, Gavgoyle, Sebastian, Radaval, Kirth Gerson, Watcher, James Keegan, all the Paizo guys, several writers including Nick Logue, Richard Pett, and many more posters than I can even write.Richard.
I know making lists of the fine people here is difficult, but, what? Couldn't take it upon yourself to include me? I even had dinner at your house. That you and the family were unaware of it should have no consequence to the time we spent. ;)
Daigle, Jade and all the others that I missed, I love you all. I put down a quick list from my head and I am sure that many were excluded but that has no bearing on how or where any of the people named or un-named rank among my Paizo friends. I love you all and the thought that you felt excluded by me only proves the point of my original post.
We are a family, a community and a group of friends. Emotion doesn't come from digits.I love all of you guys! damn beer...