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I removed some posts (and the replies to them). Let's keep this civil.

Andoran

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I have received my refund, so no hard feelings.


I'm not sure what to think about this...I got the email from Nick that he has processed the refund a week ago, but I didn`t get the money...*sigh*

Qadira

Pathfinder Adventure Path, Modules Subscriber

You should presumably email him back, as there may be a mix-up. That said, unless you are in the UK (where he is), funds transfers across borders (and currencies) take time.

Cheliax

Am still waiting for my Paizo Gift Certificate here.


Aubrey the Malformed wrote:
You should presumably email him back, as there may be a mix-up. That said, unless you are in the UK (where he is), funds transfers across borders (and currencies) take time.

yes, I did this - one three day later, one a week later. I always thought that paypal is fast as an email - is that not the case? Anyway, he will transfer Dollars, I guess, and I have to convert it to EUR myself.

Best,
kikai


Nice that those that wanted a refund got it. I still want the book. I prefer Pathfinder but I'll take OGL and convert as necessary on my own.

Cheliax

still waiting....


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FenrysStar wrote:
Nice that those that wanted a refund got it.

Too bad it's not true. Some of us got refunds, others have been left w/ the usual empty promises.

I'm sure you can guess which group I'm in.


BenS wrote:
FenrysStar wrote:
Nice that those that wanted a refund got it.

Too bad it's not true. Some of us got refunds, others have been left w/ the usual empty promises.

I'm sure you can guess which group I'm in.

The only thing you're not doing is holding up a sign or trying to organize a tar and feather mob


BenS wrote:


Some of us got refunds, others have been left w/ the usual empty promises.

I'm sure you can guess which group I'm in.

but we got a new website...sinister advetures - outdoor adventures and activities...

Taldor

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Anyone ever get their money or even just hear from Nick?

Taldor

On a bright note, Duke Nukem forever is out this week !
There is still hope my friends :)

Okay, I couldn't help it. Don't hit me :) After all I bought it too.


DitheringFool wrote:
Anyone ever get their money or even just hear from Nick?

I asked him since March, he answered on May 3rd and said that he transfered the money - and, guess what, I didn't recieve any. And, yes, I emailed him about that a couple of times, and no - no response yet. :(

Cheliax

Still waiting for the Paizo Gift Certificate he promised.

Cheliax

Pathfinder Comics Subscriber; Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules, Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Sadly at this point I have just written the money and product off. Which is a shame considering all the work other people put into the product to get it ready to go.


Dark_Mistress wrote:
Sadly at this point I have just written the money and product off. Which is a shame considering all the work other people put into the product to get it ready to go.

I think the saddest thing in all this is a great talent is being wasted and devalued due to a lack of focus and application on said talents part.

Osirion

Having joined the Pathfinder community only a year or so ago, I missed out on the initial wave of excitement regarding Sinister Adventures, and the issue only really came to my attention thanks to LPJ's April fools joke. I was doing some idle research on the topic yesterday, however, and found myself excited by the ideas of Razor Coast and the Ebon Shroud.

That's when an insane idea struck me.

Considering the amount of anger that the collapse of Sinister Adventures has generated over the last couple years, it's probably neither feasible nor intelligent, but I thought I'd throw it out here anyways.

Lou Agresta has the manuscript prepared for Razor Coast and, at this point, it only needs layout and art. I'm not sure to what degree Ebon Shroud has been developed, but Richard Pett as co-author could presumably finish the manuscript with Nick. Really, what's needed here is a production house that can handle the logistics of finishing and publishing the book.

That sounds right up Paizo's alley. They've got one of the strongest teams in the industry today, capable of delivering high-quality books on a consistent schedule. Paizo also has had previous dealings with Nick, Lou, and Richard and, from what I gather, they are positive relationships.

What does Paizo get out of producing these books?

1. They come off smelling like roses to a frustrated fan base which has gone a very long time without a product that many were excited about.

2. Sinister Adventures, as an imprint of Paizo Publishing, also presents a unique opportunity for the golem. As it stands, Paizo's product lines maintain a "PG-13" policy to appeal to the largest possible audience. Yet, there is a significant number of designers and fans who would like to see more adult themes introduced into their games.

This was previously attempted by WotC with the Book of Vile Darkness, to mixed reviews. I suspect that the issue with such a book is that it was packed to the gills with "extreme" material to live up to the hype, rather than having the option to touch upon "R-rated" subjects when appropriate. A more successful version of the "adult" product line was White Wolf's old Black Dog Game Factory, which only released products when needed.

How would this work with a business like Paizo that relies on a subscription model? I see two possibilites:

A. PDF-Only: While this would not be a preferred option for many, Paizo does offer a handful of non-subscription PDF-only products as it stands (such as the Paper Minis line). Although development, art, and layouts represent a significant cost, they would be able to alleviate the printing costs with products that may only appeal to a percentage of their customer base.

B. Quarterly Subscription: When introducing new product lines, Paizo has been careful to keep their schedule limited to bi-monthly or quarterly. Since I have no hard data suggesting sales numbers for an adult product line, I would vote for a conservative schedule of quarterly or bi-annual releases. These could, potentially, act as supplements to the other product lines (AP, Campaign Setting, etc.) wherein the more risque elements that are expunged in development can be compiled into single collections. An example would be the Books of the Damned series, which could have a fourth release in the Sinister Adventures line that would handle more adult themes for the lower planes. Likewise, with some massaging Razor Coast could be billed as a supplement that could integrate nicely with the upcoming Skull & Shackles AP.

Although it may seem risky to take on another product line, I suspect Sinister Adventures would cater to a market demographic that may be underserved by Paizo's current releases. I suspect (although I may be wrong) that complaints about "Hook Mountain Massacre" early in Pathfinder's history caused Paizo to be careful not to push the boundaries of what they consider acceptable. Yet, at the same time, it has generated many positive reviews with demands to see the "uncut" version produced. Since then, although there have been plenty of products that deal with horror elements and other mature themes, I am not aware of anything as extreme as...

Hook Mountain Massacre spoiler:
Necophiliac inbred cannibals.

Now that I've spent the last few paragraphs convincing you that this would be the coolest thing ever, I'm going to explain why it would never happen:

1. Paizo currently has an extremely busy product schedule that they're hiring additional developers on just to meet the demands they have as it stands. Another product line, especially when they've announced the Companion line will be stepping up to a monthly schedule, is probably not in the cards anytime soon.

2. One of Paizo's greatest assets is their IP in the form of Golarion. Razor Coast and Ebon Shroud are not written with Golarion in mind, and therefore each of these books would require another pass at development to fit in their sandbox. This means more time and money put into these projects, which may not be something that interests them.

3.Preorders, returns, freelancer contracts... this is an additional burden that Paizo would have to take on, which could potentially be unattractive from a financial standpoint.

4. There's a question of Sinister Adventures (as the mature content line of Paizo) not easily fitting the subscription model. Ebon Shroud and Razor Coast were products that are much larger than most of Paizo's work, and would either need to be divided into sections (likely unpopular amongst those who placed preorders) or released as limited-edition hardcovers (which I understand is quite risky). Further, an adult line could have drastically different price points (for modules, campaign setting products, etc.), which only the PFRPG line currently allows. Would this alienate potential subscribers which would prefer a fixed price that they could budget for quarterly? I don't know, but I imagine it would.

5. Louis Porter Jr. has previously attempted to acquire Razor Coast and was turned down by Mr. Logue, so there may be other factors we're not aware of. This could come down to simply not having any experience working with LPJ, though, which Paizo has in spades.

There's probably even more factors that would prevent such an acquisition from taking place, but I just wanted to share the idea.

Do it, Paizo!


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toctoctoc...

Any news in here?

EDIT: Ouch! I just saw the website becoming a Outdoor "adventureing" thingy... I guess this is a final word on this...

Time to write Nick :(


Hugo Solis wrote:

toctoctoc...

Any news in here?

EDIT: Ouch! I just saw the website becoming a Outdoor "adventureing" thingy... I guess this is a final word on this...

Time to write Nick :(

Tell me if you got your refunds...I'm still waiting for the reimburesement he promised to send two months ago (and I kindly asked a couple of times after that...). I also thought about the small claims court, but it seems that they don't deal with claims this small. Anyway, I really could use the money that I spend on the preorder.


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kikai wrote:
Hugo Solis wrote:

toctoctoc...

Any news in here?

EDIT: Ouch! I just saw the website becoming a Outdoor "adventureing" thingy... I guess this is a final word on this...

Time to write Nick :(

Tell me if you got your refunds...I'm still waiting for the reimburesement he promised to send two months ago (and I kindly asked a couple of times after that...). I also thought about the small claims court, but it seems that they don't deal with claims this small. Anyway, I really could use the money that I spend on the preorder.

Haven't ask for a refund yet, but most likely will do soon.

Taldor

I asked back at the start of may, no reply.

Cheliax

No word since Nick promised me a refund.

I wonder if he is intending on file for Chapter 11....


I'm almost at the 2 month anniversary of asking for a refund. Like most of you, no response. Next e-mail has been sent out. I'll probably be back on this thread in another 2 months going "Yep. Another two months, no refund."


Hugo Solis wrote:
kikai wrote:
Hugo Solis wrote:

toctoctoc...

Any news in here?

EDIT: Ouch! I just saw the website becoming a Outdoor "adventureing" thingy... I guess this is a final word on this...

Time to write Nick :(

Tell me if you got your refunds...I'm still waiting for the reimburesement he promised to send two months ago (and I kindly asked a couple of times after that...). I also thought about the small claims court, but it seems that they don't deal with claims this small. Anyway, I really could use the money that I spend on the preorder.
Haven't ask for a refund yet, but most likely will do soon.

I'd suggest you do as soon as possible if you're expecting the money sometime within the next six months. You really might as well. Razor Coast is NOT coming out bar some third party company being allowed to take up the project. Nick's schedule is so tight he can't even use the Interwebz, let alone do any writing or be able to negotiate with another company to get RC out! I mean, that's pretty intense.

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I removed a post. I realize the situation is upsetting, but name calling isn't going to solve anything.


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Radavel wrote:

No word since Nick promised me a refund.

I wonder if he is intending on file for Chapter 11....

Since Chapter 11 (bankruptcy) exists only in the United States, and he's living in England, I doubt it. But that's nitpicking; I got your intent.

If he was here in the States, he might have been the target of an involuntary bankruptcy, where his creditors (us) forced him into bankruptcy to try and recover some or all of our claims. But I'm not an atty, so don't know if the criteria for that would have been met in any case.

Just a feel-good daydream at this point. Unlike the prospect of my ever getting a refund. That's more like a feel-bad nightmare.

Taldor

BenS wrote:
Radavel wrote:

No word since Nick promised me a refund.

I wonder if he is intending on file for Chapter 11....

Since Chapter 11 (bankruptcy) exists only in the United States, and he's living in England, I doubt it. But that's nitpicking; I got your intent.

If he was here in the States, he might have been the target of an involuntary bankruptcy, where his creditors (us) forced him into bankruptcy to try and recover some or all of our claims. But I'm not an atty, so don't know if the criteria for that would have been met in any case.

Just a feel-good daydream at this point. Unlike the prospect of my ever getting a refund. That's more like a feel-bad nightmare.

In this hypothetical situation, I think you'd likely find that Sinister Adventures LLC and not Nick Logue is the entity that we gave our money too. Emphasis on limited liability. That money is looong gone.

Of course the company could own some interesting art assets - the WAR cover etc...

But down that route lies creditor's remedies and madness.


Ross Byers wrote:
I removed a post. I realize the situation is upsetting, but name calling isn't going to solve anything.

You're probably right, but it helps to vent a little since we are helpless to do anything about it otherwise.

But it was my post you removed, so thanks for nothing.


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Seriously. I get that you're upset about not getting a) the module or b) your money back. But it doesn't help.

For one reason or another, Nick has not been able to finish the project. None of us know what those reasons are. He tried to do an exciting RPG book, but failed on the target line, and the money he got from preorders was used for art, if I got it right. Some of you have asked for your money back, and apparently some have gotten it. Others have not.

What this tells me is that Nick is swamped, for whatever reason, and is trying to pay people back through his monthly paycheck. The stress must be massive. The fact that he actually tries to pay people back means he cares about the situation. Seeing as the money isn't there, however, he can't very well proclaim this is so without getting more of a headache.

Yes, he did take your money. No, he didn't give you what you ordered for it. He most likely knows that this in itself has destroyed him in the RPG publishing business. Which means the holdup must be pretty bad for him.

Look at it this way: He took money you otherwise would have spent on roleplaying games. It's not your mum's cancer medications, people. He did so a long time ago by now, and I imagine your economy hasn't been shot down by this (or alone if it has). Even screaming bloody murder about your MASsive LOSS of MONey for several years on this board would have netted you much more money by now if you had spent that time productively.

So: The entire situation is a bloody miserable tragedy, and frankly, it's disgraceful that you're still whining about it. Draw a line somewhere. It's not likely he's going to get the book done by now, so cut your losses, people. And if you never preorder another book by him, let that be the sum of consequences for this.

I know I am going to get flak about this. I can live with that.


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I'd like to point out that it's far more disgraceful to defend apparently corrupt individuals, and how all the statements of "it does no good to complain about getting shafted" do even less good themselves.

What's that rule around here? Don't be a dick?


Sissyl wrote:

Seriously. I get that you're upset about not getting a) the module or b) your money back. But it doesn't help.

For one reason or another, Nick has not been able to finish the project. None of us know what those reasons are. He tried to do an exciting RPG book, but failed on the target line, and the money he got from preorders was used for art, if I got it right. Some of you have asked for your money back, and apparently some have gotten it. Others have not.

What this tells me is that Nick is swamped, for whatever reason, and is trying to pay people back through his monthly paycheck. The stress must be massive. The fact that he actually tries to pay people back means he cares about the situation. Seeing as the money isn't there, however, he can't very well proclaim this is so without getting more of a headache.

Yes, he did take your money. No, he didn't give you what you ordered for it. He most likely knows that this in itself has destroyed him in the RPG publishing business. Which means the holdup must be pretty bad for him.

Look at it this way: He took money you otherwise would have spent on roleplaying games. It's not your mum's cancer medications, people. He did so a long time ago by now, and I imagine your economy hasn't been shot down by this (or alone if it has). Even screaming bloody murder about your MASsive LOSS of MONey for several years on this board would have netted you much more money by now if you had spent that time productively.

So: The entire situation is a bloody miserable tragedy, and frankly, it's disgraceful that you're still whining about it. Draw a line somewhere. It's not likely he's going to get the book done by now, so cut your losses, people. And if you never preorder another book by him, let that be the sum of consequences for this.

I know I am going to get flak about this. I can live with that.

Since the argument appears to be quantitative, do you know what the actual amount of $$$ he has taken in total is? Do you know the reputational cost for people like Lou who had to call in favors? The prespective you pose is well understood, no one is arguing that; it might help to have empathy for those wronged than the perpetrator, no matter how well placed his intentions might have been. Repeated lying, taking advantage of friends and others, being inconsiderate and fraudulent in action is something that is hurtful to the extreme. If you have an issue with people venting, then stay out of the thread. Pray tell what the "disgrace" is in those wronged "whining" about it?

As for the "hold up" being "pretty bad for him," you can find the myrad of reasons put forth by Nick (outside of his dog eating the manuscript) summarized in the other thread, including blatant lies like "i'll return your money within 24 hrs!!!."

Disgrace: Loss of reputation or respect, esp. as the result of a dishonorable action.

The definition seems much more apt to Nick than anyone else.


Brian E. Harris wrote:

I'd like to point out that it's far more disgraceful to defend apparently corrupt individuals, and how all the statements of "it does no good to complain about getting shafted" do even less good themselves.

What's that rule around here? Don't be a dick?

Yes, yes it is. And since it is: Understand that you're dealing with a man who's paying people back from his monthly salary now, from what I gather. And defending someone is not far more disgraceful than piling on the accusations, as you're doing. Cut your losses now, and get a life instead.

Taldor RPG Superstar 2010 Top 16, 2011 Top 32

I don't think there has been any "Reputational Cost" to Lou Agresta. If anything, his handling of the situation has raised his reputation in my mind. He's done his best with a bad situation and remained consistently professional and friendly during the whole thing, not to mention outgoing and apologetic.

Nic Logue's reputation as a business owner and operator has definitely suffered, which means he's unlikely to get anyone to put money down for a product sight unseen again. On the other hand, he's never had any issues that I know of when he works for a company such as Paizo and he's produced some excellent work for them. If Paizo was to hire him again, I'd buy his work in a second.

This is a sad situation, made worse by bad decisions, promises unkept, unfunny jokes and the fact that his work was so great to begin with that the product was highly anticipated. However, it might be time for people to cut their losses, accept that their money is gone and may never be returned and move on. Internet complaints and threats of lawsuits don't seem to be useful.

Either this product will eventually be released and you'll see the return on your investment, or it won't and you won't. My sympathies to you.


Coltaine: As I said, I knew I was going to get flak for it. If your argument only deals with the principles, and not the quantities, then I am reminded of the old "cows and factions" about the Mercykillers: "You have two cows. A thief steals one. You devote your life to bringing the thief to justice. Meanwhile your other cow starves to death."

How much more money have you laid on sugared beverages since you preordered? Movie tickets for movies that turned out to be crap? Clothes you no longer want to use?

You, sir, are a person who does not understand the value of your own time, specifically the time complaining about Nick on this thread.

Oh yes, and to answer your question: He got enough money from preorders to make some pretty darn good art. It's not as if he sat down and calculated "Now let's see, how many people will preorder, and how much money can I scam them for?" If that would have been the case, there would have been nobody fighting that wereshark, and no wereshark.


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Sissyl wrote:
Yes, yes it is. And since it is: Understand that you're dealing with a man who's paying people back from his monthly salary now, from what I gather.

And this matters why? Because he spent the money that was supposed to be used for this project? On what? Certainly not on printing the book.

We're supposed to be sympathetic to a man who took people's money, spent it on something other than what he was paid that money for, and is now having a hard time paying people back?

Besides, it's quite obvious that he's NOT paying people back from his monthly salary.

Sissyl wrote:
And defending someone is not far more disgraceful than piling on the accusations, as you're doing. Cut your losses now, and get a life instead.

Back at you. Stop defending theft.


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Sissyl wrote:
You, sir, are a person who does not understand the value of your own time, specifically the time complaining about Nick on this thread.

And what are you getting out of your time, defending this nonsense?

Your argument is comical, and you should follow your own advice.


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Brian: As I said, he used that money for art, for the project.

And no, you're not supposed to be sympathetic. You're supposed to lay off now.

And if you know a reason why he isn't paying people back from his salary, please share them. A few people a month get their money. That's what that would look like.

And I am not defending theft. I am merely pointing out that he has paid a heavy price for it already, that he had no intention to stealing (for reasons, see above), and that he's a human being hounded by people who should have moved on years ago.

If you consider it comical, that's your call. My investment is that I feel that this whole thing is a tragedy, and likely one of the reasons I do not get any more Logueness in my Pathfinder. I will gladly devote some of my time to this, hoping perhaps that if he sees something other than a slavering mob of grues on the Paizo boards, he might finally get things done.

It's been years now. Give it a rest. Nobody's misunderstood you one bit. We get that you're upset, and why. It's just out of proportion.

Cheliax

Well, I would like to get my refund, I could use it to invest in something else.

On a different matter, the LLC vehicle won't mean much if the corporate veil is pierced to hold the individuals behind the corporation liable.


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Sissyl wrote:
Brian: As I said, he used that money for art, for the project.

So, he spent the money on art, and didn't budget enough to print? That's beyond poor planning.

Sissyl wrote:
And no, you're not supposed to be sympathetic. You're supposed to lay off now.

Again, back at you. You don't get to dictate how this works.

Sissyl wrote:
And if you know a reason why he isn't paying people back from his salary, please share them. A few people a month get their money. That's what that would look like.

Do they? Because it sure doesn't look like anyone's gotten any money for months, and they haven't even gotten any responses.

Sissyl wrote:
And I am not defending theft. I am merely pointing out that he has paid a heavy price for it already, that he had no intention to stealing (for reasons, see above), and that he's a human being hounded by people who should have moved on years ago.

You ARE. And, again, you don't get to dictate how this works. If you want to move on from your lost money, that's your right. Move on, and go away. Leave people that aren't willing to move on alone.

Others aren't willing to do so, and they shouldn't have to. They should get their money returned, or the product they paid for, and they've got EVERY right to continue to "hound" the apparent huckster you've described (based on his taking money for a project with an apparently foreseen inability to produce that product since all the money was budgeted for art rather than production).


Brian E. Harris wrote:
Back at you. Stop defending theft.

Theft is a bit harsh don't you think. Embezzlement might be better, maybe?

Also, I think someone mentioned that another company offered to purchase the IP and products and put them out themselves, fulfilling the pre-order. If true and Nick said no, then certainly people have good reason to still be upset.


I can't stop you from complaining about your lost money, Brian. I am trying to tell you that it's a useless endeavour, and that the only thing you're doing by calling him thief is lowering the probability that he fixes things up.

As to me not dictating how this works: Neither do you. And on a scale of things, your message is the one that is obsessive and destructive, not mine. It's telling that there have been many removed posts in the thread above, where people have said some very badly considered things about him.

And as to you and your pals' handling of the situation, I see very little happening. After several years. If you really want that money, file a lawsuit, pay the lawyer and so on. I suspect it MIGHT cost you a slight bit more than what you preordered for...

But seriously, I have no illusions. You will likely keep obsessing about that preorder money until the day you die, at which time you'll put it on your tombstone.


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pres man wrote:
Theft is a bit harsh don't you think. Embezzlement might be better, maybe?

I've steered clear of using a word like fraud, because it's not my intention to suggest that he intended to defraud people, or intended to not deliver on his promises.

But, at the point that he's taken money and failed to either deliver product or refund that money? Then, yeah, that's theft.

pres man wrote:
Also, I think someone mentioned that another company offered to purchase the IP and products and put them out themselves, fulfilling the pre-order. If try and Nick said no, then certainly people have good reason to still be upset.

Exactly.


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Sissyl wrote:

I can't stop you from complaining about your lost money, Brian. I am trying to tell you that it's a useless endeavour, and that the only thing you're doing by calling him thief is lowering the probability that he fixes things up.

As to me not dictating how this works: Neither do you. And on a scale of things, your message is the one that is obsessive and destructive, not mine. It's telling that there have been many removed posts in the thread above, where people have said some very badly considered things about him.

And as to you and your pals' handling of the situation, I see very little happening. After several years. If you really want that money, file a lawsuit, pay the lawyer and so on. I suspect it MIGHT cost you a slight bit more than what you preordered for...

But seriously, I have no illusions. You will likely keep obsessing about that preorder money until the day you die, at which time you'll put it on your tombstone.

Maybe you should just move on, huh? That sounds like a good idea.


Heh. "You don't get to dictate how this works." Remember, Brian?


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Sissyl wrote:
Heh. "You don't get to dictate how this works." Remember, Brian?

Move on, already.

Cheliax

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The argueing back and forth is not helping anyone or anything. Just saying.

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