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My guess is that the popular news-stand gamestores will continue to carry Pathfinder
If they're a gamestore they'll continue to carry 3.5 stuff just like they some how magically carry AD&D stuff. I've yet to walk into a gamestore that doesn't have 3.0 and AD&D books, finding 3.5 books in GAMESTORES should not be an issue.
I think Paizo needs to have some simple Monster Manual in print, late 2008 or early 2009.
No I dont think we need a Pathfinder version of the Monster Manual until September or October 2009.
Pathfinder will be 3.5 until August of 2009. Its not essential for a Pathfinder MM to exist alongside the Beta rules.
The Beta isnt even the final rules for Pathfinder. Anyone who plays using the Beta Rules is still technicly playtesting for a game thats isnt officialy done yet.
Some new kid should NOT buy the Pathfinder Beta book and start using it if they dont own the 3.5 Core Rulebooks.
I disagree vehemently! I want all of those wonderful original Paizo monsters in one place!I would only request that you don't recycle what's already been presented in Pathfinder and GameMastery. I subscribe to both, and even if you "improved" on them, I doubt I'd be willing to shell out money on 'em. On the other hand, if Paizo put its head together and came up with a monster manual containing a whole new assembly of critters, numbering 100 or so, I'm sold.Some sort of monster book is inevitable. It'll probably be the first Pathfinder RPG release after the core book. Nothing concrete, yet, but I agree that this seems an obvious choice.
Exactly! If nothing else, all the pathfinder monsters SHOULD be in the book. While we can't expect you to include every monster EVER, you SHOULD include the monsters you use in the AP's and gamemastery paths. If we're using AP2, we shouldn't have to lug around all of AP1 or all the gamemastery editions just for a monster block. I keep an index card file of my monsters but not everyone does. Nor should everyone have to buy all the old gamemastery modules or adventure path books just to get one monster.
I like the fact that when you reuse a monster you give the AP or gamemastery edition it was in, but it would be much easier and more customer friendly to say for example Flamedrake (Gamemastery W1, Bestiary page ##) instead of hoping that we have that module.
I think Paizo needs to have some simple Monster Manual in print, late 2008 or early 2009.No I dont think we need a Pathfinder version of the Monster Manual until September or October 2009.
Pathfinder will be 3.5 until August of 2009. Its not essential for a Pathfinder MM to exist alongside the Beta rules.
The Beta isnt even the final rules for Pathfinder. Anyone who plays using the Beta Rules is still technicly playtesting for a game thats isnt officialy done yet.
Some new kid should NOT buy the Pathfinder Beta book and start using it if they dont own the 3.5 Core Rulebooks.
I agree, a paizo monster book can easily wait til a few months after the final release. I don't think they'd want to wait MUCH longer after that though. I'd much rather it be done RIGHT, then get a hastily done, slapped together product. Thats not what i pay for and its not Paizo's style.
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Some new kid should NOT buy the Pathfinder Beta book and start using it if they dont own the 3.5 Core Rulebooks.
Jason, as of this fall, Pathfinder BETA is going to be the only set of OGL rules in print. That's no big deal for you or me, because we own the D&D 3.5 rulebooks. But when someone new to the hobby pays $20 for Pathfinder #13, "Shadow in the Sky" and tries to run it, I don't think Paizo ought to tell her "Hang on to that -- we'll give you rules a year from now."
If she shouldn't buy the BETA rules, what would you have her do?
So far, I've been reading people's reassurances that the 3.5 MM will still be available everywhere Pathfinder is, even though it'll be out of print. I remember how quickly AD&D 2nd Edition materials vanished from the Twin Cities hobby stores, which wanted shelf space for the brand-new 3rd Edition, and I'm not sure that won't happen again.
And my concerns go double for the 3.5 Players Handbook and DMG. The PH is D&D's best seller, by an order of magnitude. And when they leave the shelves, they won't be coming back.
Erik has written that Paizo plans for Pathfinder Society events to be a major method for drawing in new gamers. I don't think it's fair .. or wise .. to try to pull in new players, and new DM's, without an easy way to play the game.
Is the reimagined monsters of Pathfinder Chronicles not such a manual?
Nah. If you get down to it, it only has 10 monsters. I think there are one or two extra stats in there for elite versions, but still, we're looking at less than 15 critters, with none that are suitable for higher levels of play right out of the book (you'd have to level them first).
The book isn't supposed to be a monster manual, either: It has only a handful of monsters, and deals with them in depth: not just the stuff you need to make a random encounter out of them, but something to portray their culture and all that.
Lisa Stevens has insisted that the Pathfinder modules can't exist on the shelves without game rules that store owners can sell alongside the adventures. And I don't think that the base Pathfinder beta-test rules are enough. I don't think it's fair to sell an adventure to someone and then turn around and inform her that it's unplayable unless she goes on e-bay and tries to find a book that's out-of-print.I think Paizo needs to have some simple Monster Manual in print, late 2008 or early 2009.
I guess that although they will no longer be printed, they'll still be on the shelves for a while.
I think that a delay is necessary: Paizo has a reputation: They're not giving us any half-baked stuff and sell it as finished product. This should remain the case.
They probably wouldn't have the manpower to do this properly, so they would have to do a rushed job.
I think the relatively short time we'll be without in print core books will be survivable.
And I don't think that many will buy adventures before they have the core system. If push comes to shove and someone won't be able to get their hands on the core rules, I think that in almost all cases, they won't buy the books in the first place.
There will be no betrayed masses or anything.
Dragons, for instance. The whole color scheme is ridiculous and always was. It reminded of Pern dragons, and it was boring. You see one red dragon, you've seen them all. Dragons are not just beasts to kill. They can be much more than that. I liked dragons of Birthright because each one was different than the other - and there were few of them. I think that Paizo should do the same thing with PRPG.
It must? No, it doesn't have to. It might, if the DM wills it so.
In fact, you can make all the dragons the unique critters you envision there, even in 3e. You can give them distinct personalities and all that, too.
But the "colour-coded dragons" are part of D&D, and they should not go away.
What'll she use?Be out of luck.
What do you want them to do, delay the Pathfinder RPG's release by another year so they can work on monsters? Add another 200 pages to the Pathfinder RPG and make it a $80-100 book that NO novice will buy?
You decide what makes sense and what you think new people are willing to pay.
Is it just me or is the hostility I detect in your post really there?
Starting with Second Darkness, Pazio doesn't pull any more "Goblin (3), See page whatever of the Monster Manual for stats." If they don't want to waste the space printing the stats, then fine, do an OGL web enhancement with the stats of the 3.5 goblin. :)
Second Darkness will still be based on 3.5e core rules. They can still assume that many of us won't burn the books and do wizards of the cost that favour. They can assume that many will still have those books, and for them, page reference can be a huge blessing.
For the rest, there's d20srd.org
I don't know whether they'd have the time to do the web enhancement, but if you ask nicely, I'm sure there's people here who will do it as a fan project. Wouldn't be that much effort, either. Just copy and paste the stats from the website or the official documents, do some formatting and editing, and BAM!
But it's not your decision, or mine, or Paizo's. They can't put beholders & illithids in.But they can do Occular Tyrants and Mental Oppressors (or something similar), that revises the concept without being a carbon copy.
Not without opening themselves up to possible leagl action. If a normal person recognizes them as the same thing or as a copy of the concept, you're probably on shakier ground than Paizo wants to be on.
If that were the case, then a great many products I see in shops every single day (at least, every single day I visit some shops) would have been out of the stores long ago.
After all, there's already a product that does monsters that are similar to those that wizards kept to themselves: There's a near-mindflayer in there, a near-beholder, and so on.
And they didn't sue the guy to extinction. In fact, he works for wizards now.
I would like to see different dragons - perhaps like in Birthright or Dark Sun. It would be great to have some new interpretation of old ideas. Dark Elves that live in Underdark can become Night Elves that live Underhill, etc.Ooooh... dragons...
*drools*
I'll suggest to BOZ and Shade at EN World's Creature Catalog if any homebrew monsters, including dragons (disclosure: I've done almost a dozen myself) can be considered for the Pathfinder… er, Bestiary? Monstronomicon? Monstropaedia?