Huzzah! Back in Eberron now.....next....heh heh
Dude. You just said the E word. I'm not sure if we can be friends anymore...
Huzzah! Back in Eberron now.....next....heh hehDude. You just said the E word. I'm not sure if we can be friends anymore...
meh.....not like it's keeping Greyhawk material from being published.....;)
meh.....not like it's keeping Greyhawk material from being published.....;)Huzzah! Back in Eberron now.....next....heh hehDude. You just said the E word. I'm not sure if we can be friends anymore...
Dude you got steampunk in my medieval fantasy!
Dude you got medieval fantasy in my steampunk!
Mmmmmmmmm.....
I think the most endearing quality of eberron is the fact that you don't have to worry about your alignment being within a step of your deity's alignment. That makes everything......freaky.....to say the least.
Glad to hear your getting through it Heathy,..
Oh yeah,...
"HEATHY'S BACK!" :)
heh heh...
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I think the most endearing quality of eberron is the fact that you don't have to worry about your alignment being within a step of your deity's alignment. That makes everything......freaky.....to say the least.
True. That and the whole "dragons are not of one set alignment." But still, those are plug-and-play elements that can be dropped into any campaign.
I really think that Keith Baker's thought process for creating Eberron the way he did was this:
"Hmmm... People like dragons, right? And pirates! What about robots, dinosaurs, steampunk, futuristic technology, vampires, ancient ruins, Indians, zombies, and zeppelins? You know what, this is all just so awesome that I'm going to put them all in one setting! Neato!"
Eberron is the ninja pirate robot monkey clown bandito werewolf zombie of fantasy settings. Next up, a new base class: the kitchen sink!
I think the most endearing quality of eberron is the fact that you don't have to worry about your alignment being within a step of your deity's alignment. That makes everything......freaky.....to say the least.True. That and the whole "dragons are not of one set alignment." But still, those are plug-and-play elements that can be dropped into any campaign.
I really think that Keith Baker's thought process for creating Eberron the way he did was this:
"Hmmm... People like dragons, right? And pirates! What about robots, dinosaurs, steampunk, futuristic technology, vampires, ancient ruins, Indians, zombies, and zeppelins? You know what, this is all just so awesome that I'm going to put them all in one setting! Neato!"
Eberron is the ninja pirate robot monkey clown bandito werewolf zombie of fantasy settings. Next up, a new base class: the kitchen sink!
I kinda got the feeling, though, that they HAD to "make it thoroughly compatible with straight Dungeons and Dragons," so that affected that. It's hard to explain, but I think if they could've just gone Steampunky with it and not had to make everything and everything compatible, we could've had less of a schmorgasbord effect. Like, they could've done something different with dragons. There's only 3 dragons. You don't meet a dragon on a f!&&ing random encounter chart. There's three of them. They're legendary. But, NO....they can't do that. It has to fit D&D. There also HAS to be standard D&D monsters everywhere and anywhere. Fits D&D. I'm surprised they were allowed to extinctify the vast majority of lycanthropes......
Warforged HAVE to be able to be mages, or clerics, or druids for f@~!'s sake. It doesn't make a s#&&load of sense, but......It fits D&D.I think that to make it fit D&D, they HAD to kitchen sink it.
I'd almost like to see his real thought processes, bare bones, BEFORE they told him "now pound this square peg into the round hole of D&D." I think it might've been a different creature altogether.
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"Hmmm... People like dragons, right? And pirates! What about robots, dinosaurs, steampunk, futuristic technology, vampires, ancient ruins, Indians, zombies, and zeppelins? You know what, this is all just so awesome that I'm going to put them all in one setting! Neato!"
Take away the steampunk (which Eberron doesn’t have either) and swap out the zeppilins for flying cities and spaceships, and you just described Golarion.
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Take away the steampunk (which Eberron doesn’t have either) and swap out the zeppilins for flying cities and spaceships, and you just described Golarion."Hmmm... People like dragons, right? And pirates! What about robots, dinosaurs, steampunk, futuristic technology, vampires, ancient ruins, Indians, zombies, and zeppelins? You know what, this is all just so awesome that I'm going to put them all in one setting! Neato!"
Or Forgotten Realms, for that matter. And I have noticed that Golarion has been getting a little too fleshed-out for my tastes as of late. Meh.
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Or Forgotten Realms, for that matter. And I have noticed that Golarion has been getting a little too fleshed-out for my tastes as of late. Meh.Take away the steampunk (which Eberron doesn’t have either) and swap out the zeppilins for flying cities and spaceships, and you just described Golarion."Hmmm... People like dragons, right? And pirates! What about robots, dinosaurs, steampunk, futuristic technology, vampires, ancient ruins, Indians, zombies, and zeppelins? You know what, this is all just so awesome that I'm going to put them all in one setting! Neato!"
True, and World of Greyhawk too really, especially if you include all the Dungeon mag AP stuff as official additions to Greyhawk.
As far as fleshed out – it is a commercial reality for better or worse. If Paizo want to sell books about their campaign setting, almost by definition they have to flesh it out more and more. But you have a looong way to go before things are fully fleshed out. So far we have only seen one continent and half of another in any great detail, and even with those there are plenty of areas that will probably never see an official right-up.
Give it another year and we might see something major on Tian. Another year or three and they might look at Casmaron, the Vudran sub-continent, the rest of Garund. We are looking at years then before they get around to Arcadia, and its really questionable as to whether we’ll ever see much official stuff on Sarusan. We’re probably talking decades (if at all) that all of those places will be as fleshed out as Avistan and the top half of Garund are now.
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As far as fleshed out – it is a commercial reality for better or worse. If Paizo want to sell books about their campaign setting, almost by definition they have to flesh it out more and more. But you have a looong way to go before things are fully fleshed out. So far we have only seen one continent and half of another in any great detail, and even with those there are plenty of areas that will probably never see an official right-up.
Give it another year and we might see something major on Tian. Another year or three and they might look at Casmaron, the Vudran sub-continent, the rest of Garund. We are looking at years then before they get around to Arcadia, and its really questionable as to whether we’ll ever see much official stuff on Sarusan. We’re probably talking decades (if at all) that all of those places will be as fleshed out as Avistan and the top half of Garund are now.
I'm not saying it's bad, I'm just saying it's something that I don't like personally, and thus won't use in my games. It's still fun to read.
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I'm not saying it's bad, I'm just saying it's something that I don't like personally, and thus won't use in my games. It's still fun to read.
I'm in that position too - there are so many things I'll change if I ever get to run a Golarion campaign that there's no real need for me to buy much in the way of sourcebooks. However, I just bought Lost Cities Of Golarion (it is great), and I'll probably get a few more that touch upon specific things that interest me. Even if I only use 10% of what's in them, they're still great for inspiration.
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I'm in that position too - there are so many things I'll change if I ever get to run a Golarion campaign
Out of interest – what?
It’s funny – one of my home campaigns is basically set in Greyhawk, but I have changed a LOT of things – changed whole chunks of geography around, changed names of several nations, important NPCs and deities, added a whole bunch of stuff from other settings or from my old homebrew – a city here, a historical background or a god there. And that is just the stuff that I am consciously changing – there’s so much I just don’t know about the cannon of Greyhawk that I’ve probably inadvertently changed or just ignored a lot more.
Golarion I have a very different approach to. Although I don’t currently run a game set there, with the few one of PFS games and short sessions I have run, and with my upcoming Kingmaker game I stick very close to official cannon. To the point where it kind of mildly bugs me when my current RL GM changes things for his version of Golarion (because I run for the same group, and I might need to ‘change things back’ for my game).
I’m really not sure why the different attitude, except maybe that I feel like I got into Golarion at the front end, I have access to all this information about it, I generally like 95% of the official stuff, so I’ll stick with it. The other thing might be that I would generally run APs or published modules. The information around them tends to be very well fleshed out and honestly it seems more trouble than it is worth to start changing things too much. Does that limit creativity? Quite possibly. But I’m fairly resigned to the fact that Paizo consistently comes up with stuff that is far more interesting and better thought through than I come up with.
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The Worldwound and Cheliax bother me, as I really don't like having outsiders wandering around more or less freely, especially if they are powerful and evil. I have a Crook of Rao-type event lined up to take care of this, which again has profound effects on the politics in southern Avistan once the devils get purged from the Chelish armies (I have planned out a suitably sinister replacement, though). I also have some unpleasant critters lined up that are "born" from the magical backlash as the Worldwound closes.
Beyond that, I'll use my own version of the drow, redesign the dragons and giants, tweak Irissen (Baba Yaga goes along with the devils and demons) and, finally, toss out some races I don't care for (most notably halflings and hobgoblins). Similarly, I junk the duergar - there's no difference between surface and deep dwarves beyond their culture. The resulting changes aren't all that huge, but they certainly change Avistan in important ways.
Having said that, I am intensely curious about the plans Paizo has for Casmaron.
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Beyond that, I'll use my own version of the drow...
Dude, I think Paizo stole your ideas and used them for Second Darkness. Your posts were from back in early 2008, and Second Darkness didn't come out until several months later.
Allright....we're rollin.
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Dude, I think Paizo stole your ideas and used them for Second Darkness. Your posts were from back in early 2008, and Second Darkness didn't come out until several months later.
I dunno. I really thought my most important point was that there should be a reason for surface races to interact with the drow, and the Paizo guys took it to the other extreme with the existence of drow basically being an elven state secret.
And even if Wes and the guys took some of the ideas on that thread, they were all freely offered. And most of the other commenters there had very different ideas about how to redo the drow than I had. I didn't care too much for the SD AP, but I thought the Paizo crew made a valiant effort to do something new without breaking too much away from canon (black skin, SR).
Ayy carumba!!!
Man, where do you FIND this s@%~? ROFLCOPTER
He's got more stuff; I kinda like him. I don't get a danger vibe from him, just......a tad off.
Um,.... wow?
Here's scary for you,
When I wen to click it off.
It wouldn't stop, or close! I thought 'oh S#!&, Cthulu has taken over my pc!'
;P
actually, (from elsewhere) thinking about it,
that "scarab of golem bane" is just entirely too punkass for me to use.
2,500 g.p. for that thing? Are you s#!!ting me? That's ridiculous!!!
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actually, (from elsewhere) thinking about it,
that "scarab of golem bane" is just entirely too punkass for me to use.2,500 g.p. for that thing? Are you s~&~ting me? That's ridiculous!!!
But its a great thing for weapon-damage based PCs to own, in certain campaigns (for a ridiculously low price!). I had never payed much attention to the item before, but on looking at it it is very powerful for that price. BUT also very niche - in most campaigns do you come across golems enough to make it worth paying for?
I guess that when you get to 15th+ level, 2,500 g.p. is chump change; a really cheap way to wax a cadre of iron golems....as opposed to a 2,500 g.p. expenditure at a lower level when the flesh golem would potentially pose a menace.
I think the item ought to be broken up between golem types maybe.
Hey guys!
Got the first Carrion Crown adventure today; mulling over doing a Carrion Crown pbp. I'll be gleaning my crew/Aub's games first to see if there's any interest.
It'll be a while; I'm at least going to wait until Kruelaid reshows his face to see if he's down for it and all. So that'll be at least two weeks I reckon, since he said he's moving to the Philippines and whatnot.
Hey guys!
Got the first Carrion Crown adventure today; mulling over doing a Carrion Crown pbp. I'll be gleaning my crew/Aub's games first to see if there's any interest.It'll be a while; I'm at least going to wait until Kruelaid reshows his face to see if he's down for it and all. So that'll be at least two weeks I reckon, since he said he's moving to the Philippines and whatnot.
SHOTGUN!
Cool......
I just got it today, so it'll have be a few weeks I reckon.
That's one though.
Cool......
I just got it today, so it'll have be a few weeks I reckon.
That's one though.
I gots mine, but really haven't looked too hard at it. I'll put it up on the shelf and refrain from ogling the hawt ghost chick anymore
I know, right?
That's two!
That's three; I think my pbp games usually only bear a cursory resemblance to the module in question, so no skin off my back.
Maybe your character is a Nostradamus and has some weird insites into the future....just a brainstorm and whatnot.
I've read the first few pages.
Best. Adventure background. Evar...
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Hehe... I'm not normally a big fan of the 'haunted Transylvania' thing, but the AP looks really cool. And I know what you mean about modifying adventures - if I ever get around to DMing again, I'd run something of a hybrid game based off the Serpent's Skull AP with huge chunks from Second Darkness and Legacy of Fire thrown in; I suspect it would look nothing like either of them at the end.
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Yeah, the adventure background is GREAT. So much so that if I were running this I’d be tempted to do a prelude adventure where the PCs are ***WARNING, BIG CARRION CROWN SPOILERS***
I like the concept of a Haunted House adventure, but they are hard to execute. This one seems really good so far. It looks like in this AP, Paizo has taken all the best bits of things like Ravenloft and Call of Cthulhu and left out all the crap bits.
Given that I like it, I’m sure someone will be posting to the boards soon (if they haven’t already) how the AP is so full of epic fail and weak sauce ...
I was psyched to see there is a Shadow over Innsmouth hommage coming up in the next installments of the Carrion Crown AP. One of my favorite HPL stories. =D
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I'd be interested. I'm a player only in 4e PbPs at the moment so having a go at a PF one would be nice. I have read the first part (did so a couple of days ago) so I sort of know the plot of part 1 and the gist of the campaign. But actually the campaign write-up seemed quite garbled (probably trying to avoid spoilers) so I don't really know much more than you guys, say, about RotRL.
I'm always INTERESTED.
Although I'm probably in more PbP's than is healthy for me. ;P
But with the ebb and flow, you never know! Color me interested, but probably should let those with a more intense interest in Horror or less Pbp's in first! ;D
Although, I just got an concept for a PC, a sword-swinging cleric of the merry god of drink, in a haunted house,... hm,... :D
Right on; that's 4 maybe 5.
Filling up......
Justa letcha know; I got quite a bit on my plate the next few days, so I might be sorta spotty for a bit.
Wife's having a (very minor no biggie not life or death just annoying and "too much information" type stuff.....) surgical procedure tomorrow so I might check in late the next couple nights; it'll be touch and go anyway.
Oh and Aub,...this is why I didn't jump in the Dark Sun game; this.....AP, if any of them, (if you can tell I think I have a discernable leaning towards liches, the macabre, the bizarre, the Lovecraftian)......this AP screams "HEATHY!!!! RUN ME!!!!!" like no other. So I wanted to run this bad boy.
Yeah, that's cool; Elgan sounds like he's out of circulation as well.
I got a bit to do, so I reckon I'll check back in a couplea hours.....
Mothman.....MWAHAHAHAAAA!!! ;)
heh heh....it's all good. I haven't looked around past my games and maybe a few off topic threads in the last few....
I tagged up wit' kruelly on the facebook; he's in.
He's gonna be offline for a week or two I reckon.