He can scribe his sorcerer spells into his spellbook, but only up to the spell levels he can cast as a wizard. He has to understand them academically to write them down, not just pull them out of his blood.
Edit: He can also copy stuff out of the new spellbook, or prepare his wizard spells from it (using the 'borrowed spellbook' rule) but is still limited by what he can cast as a wizard.
Is this true even if they were already scribed by another wizard? Can he cast the other wizards spells using caster level checks as he can understand them being a wizard?
No. He doesn't have any Wizard spell slots above first level. If you want a Sorcerer that can learn new spells, there's Arcanist.
Mechanically, he will only be a level 1 wizard in terms of wizard prepared spell slots. The wizard, at level 1, can prepare 3 cantrips and 1 level 1 spell, before modifiers such as INT and school.
Those specific spells, when cast from those prepared slots, will have a DC based upon INT and as a level 1 wizard.
In flavor, sorcerers cast spells by instinct, and learn new spells by the same mechanic. For the same reason a rogue 19 and wizard 1 can't cast higher level wizard spells, neither can the sorcerer 19 wizard 1. The methods and skills just aren't compatible in that way.
No. He needs the higher level spell slots that he can only obtain through a higher Wizard level.
This said, he could teach himself all his lower-level sorcerer spells if he took Scribe Scroll, right?
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He can scribe his sorcerer spells into his spellbook, but only up to the spell levels he can cast as a wizard.
I don't think this is true. I think wizards can copy any spells they like and add them to their spell books, they just can't cast them. Here's the relevant text:
Adding Spells to a Wizard's Spellbook
Wizards can add new spells to their spellbooks through several methods. A wizard can only learn new spells that belong to the wizard spell lists.Spells Gained at a New Level: Wizards perform a certain amount of spell research between adventures. Each time a character attains a new wizard level, he gains two spells of his choice to add to his spellbook. The two free spells must be of spell levels he can cast.
Okay so far, I don't get wish for free when I hit second level; the final sentence makes that clear.
Spells Copied from Another's Spellbook or a Scroll: A wizard can also add a spell to his book whenever he encounters one on a magic scroll or in another wizard's spellbook. No matter what the spell's source, the wizard must first decipher the magical writing (see Arcane Magical Writings). Next, he must spend 1 hour studying the spell. At the end of the hour, he must make a Spellcraft check (DC 15 + spell's level). A wizard who has specialized in a school of spells gains a +2 bonus on the Spellcraft check if the new spell is from his specialty school. If the check succeeds, the wizard understands the spell and can copy it into his spellbook (see Writing a New Spell into a Spellbook). The process leaves a spellbook that was copied from unharmed, but a spell successfully copied from a magic scroll disappears from the parchment.If the check fails, the wizard cannot understand or copy the spell. He cannot attempt to learn or copy that spell again until one week has passed. If the spell was from a scroll, a failed Spellcraft check does not cause the spell to vanish.
In most cases, wizards charge a fee for the privilege of copying spells from their spellbooks. This fee is usually equal to half the cost to write the spell into a spellbook (see Writing a New Spell into a Spellbook). Rare and unique spells might cost significantly more.
.... but I don't see any similar sentence when I'm copying from a source. All I need to do is make a DC 24 Spellcraft check to understand a wish spell, and I (explicitly) "can copy it into [my] spellbook."
The Writing a New Spell into a Spellbook section merely lists time, page length, and costs. So it's 810 gp to copy wish into my spellbook. Big deal.
Okay so i cant cast it as a wizard, but once scribed into my spellbook i could scribe scroll it using my sorcerer levels as my CL could i not?
Not unless it was one of your spells known as a sorcerer, no. You need be able to cast the spell in order to imbue it into an item.
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No.
Look, forget about wizard and sorcerer for a moment. It is simpler than that.
They are saying that to prepare and cast an arcane spell from a spell book you must have a prepared caster slot of the same spell level as the spell. It doesn't matter if you have 9th level spontaneous slots, to cast wish from a spellbook, you need 9th level prepared slots. It doesn't matter if you boost your caster level (using feats or whatever, because without leveling up, you don't get any higher spell slots.) Caster level is largely irrelevant to this as you pretty much always have a caster level high enough to cast the spells you have slots for (unless you have gotten yourself level drained.)
Now, if you are trying to cast from a scroll, the rules are different, there you just need to have a high enough caster level, and it doesn't matter whether you are prepared or spontaneous, as long as you are arcane and the scroll is arcane.
The exception to this is use something like mnemetic vestments, which specifically allows you to use a spontaneous spell slot to cast any spell you have on a spell book or scroll you are carrying.
One thing you could do is scribe all of your sorcerer spells into your spellbook (regardless of their spell levels) and though you won't be able to cast anything beyond 1st-level from the book, you could certainly sell it for a nice price.
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One thing you could do is scribe all of your sorcerer spells into your spellbook (regardless of their spell levels) and though you won't be able to cast anything beyond 1st-level from the book, you could certainly sell it for a nice price.
It would sell for half the cost to scribe, so it wouldn't be a good idea.
One thing you could do is scribe all of your sorcerer spells into your spellbook (regardless of their spell levels) and though you won't be able to cast anything beyond 1st-level from the book, you could certainly sell it for a nice price.
Also,you'd need to make a scroll of each spell and then copy the scrolls (using them up) into the spell book.
The only way to make any money doing this would be by renting the spellbook out for other wizards to copy, and you'd need quite a lot of customers for this to be profitable.
It's better if you make a blessed book first, then you don't have to pay the scribing cost of your spells before selling it.
I don't see why a sorcerer/wizard wouldn't be able to scribe a sorcerer spell directly into his spellbook. Why would you have to put it to a scroll first?
I don't see why a sorcerer/wizard wouldn't be able to scribe a sorcerer spell directly into his spellbook. Why would you have to put it to a scroll first?
Because that's what the rules say. It's also not possible for a wizard to learn a spell directly from another wizard, only from another wizard's spellbook.