Night Below map problems


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Sometime ago, I picked up Night Below in PDF format (from Paizo, natch), with the intention of eventually using it (actually, converting it to 3.x!) However, to my great annoyance, the scan seemed to have been done by someone (to be excruciatingly polite) of questionable competance; since the maps at the end helpfully are missing large chunks at the borders where they join. This is frustrating in the least.

From a quick google search, it seems like it's a problem endemic to all the Night Below PDFs and not Paizo's fault; hardly suprisingly really, since I wouldn't expect them to commit such a arse-up (or more correctly, not fix it if they actually did arse it up!)

The most annoying thing, of course, is that That Which Cannot Be Named In Polite Company (meaning the scan-monkey - and I can only assume that literally, not figuratively!) managed to keep the fracking pointless page borders. One assumes they has some barely sentient office junior who only scanned the four corners and didn't bother to check...

But I digress, however..

So before I succumb to desperation completely, I thought I'd ask if anyone out there knows of anywhere I could get a clean scan (or fresh map or whatever), short of buying the actual boxed set (which kind of defeats the object of getting cheap PDFs to convert in the first place!). Heck, even a low-res piccy would do, since at least I'd have some idea of what the shape of the missing parts are.

If anyone can help, I'd be very grateful!

Liberty's Edge

I am not sure what you mean "where they join". Virtually all of the maps in Night Below are not contiguous. The "connections" between various maps can only be found on the various area maps.
The most likely reason they look a bit disjointed is that the maps were all on three poster sized "maps", arranged in a near jigsaw fashion, with incompatible borders on the front and back so they could not simply be cut into easy pieces for scanning as that would destroy one side's worth of maps.

Or were the scans done by hacking the poster maps into standard sized sheets, then scanning them front and back without any reference? If so, then yes, that is exceptionally bad, and you either need new scans of the maps or the originals.


Hey, it's my long lost brother.

I do not own the original, brother, which is a pity because I would be happy to scan it for you.


I have the original somewhere in my room. It may take me a few days to dig it up and scan it, but I will see what i can do.


I just pulled my copy of this and I have to agree with Samuel Weiss, their not linked but instead are tons of small maps chopped up over three double sided poster maps. They don't link in the original version of this product.

I can see how it might appear that they should in a PDF but I suspect its illusionary.

That is unless you mean something like Map #10 (or pick any number) is split up over multiple sheets of the PDF and their not lining up.

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I played this a few years ago (converted it to 3.0 at the time...lotsa work!), your problem got me curious so I hauled it out to take a look. I forgot that there are a ton of handouts, maps, reference cards, etc. in this set. All total there are 3 posters with 40 maps, 4 tactical maps, 25 player handout sheets, 6 DM reference cards, a DM map card of the town of Milbourne, a New Monsters supplement, 3 monster miniatures cards, and, of course, the three books that make up the adventure itself.If you're still missing anything I could scan it for you, email me at trewat@telus.net and I'd be glad to help you out.

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%&*! boards. How can they be so touchy! This time I didn't even click the submit button and it through a wobbly.

I'll try again.

Thanks folks.

To clarify, it's very bad scanning on the PDFs (or poor conversion of scans to PDF). Having printed out the 4 sheets of A4 that make up the poster that has maps 6,7 and 9 on it, when placed together there is a white space about and inch deep running across the middle, and one about half an inch running down the centre.

It's quite obvious to anyone who'd bothered to check that stuff is missing. The lower half of Map 7's text (Lower Level) is cut-off and location 11 is left appearing as a cul-de-sac with only a fiant red outline box like that on the map above to suggest that it somehow connects between locarins 12/13 and 15.

The text for map 9 reads something like:

[blank]ap 9
Ca[blank] of the Orcs
1 sq[blank]equals 20 feet.

I haven't printed and checked all the maps yet, though my initial reconnaissence shows that this is going to be even more of a problem in the later map sheets.

Right, you'll have to excuse me but duty calls (or at least it's time to torture the Elves in Bleak Despair's Brig...)

Liberty's Edge

Gah!

That sounds like someone did just chop the posters into sections and scan them.
That is absolutely the worst way they could have done that, as I think everyone who has the maps will agree.

Maybe several of us can team up and provide better scans of the maps for Paizo to improve that pdf.

RPG Superstar 2008 Top 32

Samuel Weiss wrote:

Gah!

That sounds like someone did just chop the posters into sections and scan them.
That is absolutely the worst way they could have done that, as I think everyone who has the maps will agree.

Maybe several of us can team up and provide better scans of the maps for Paizo to improve that pdf.

I don't think Paizo can do anything offically, actually. I'm not hugely familiar with PDF laws and such, but if it's anything like Wargaming Online (where my Dad's rules are held) Paizo may not have any ability to modify the PDF product. If the supplier (i.e. WotC) isn't going to do anything about it (which from my Google search, they aren't, when apparently RPGNow or DriveThruRPG or somebody had words with them about it) Paizo are stuck.

(For example, my Dad can update Manuouver Group pretty much as he likes; all wargaming online are doing is providing the service; they don't actually have anything to do with what gos in the PDF (to a point one imagines!))

I could be wrong, but I imagine if I was, somebody would have done an offical solution by now.


Well I'm willing to try and work with you to resolve this dilemma.

I just scanned maps 7,9 and 10. There is some slight distortion where there is a crease but this is not art - its making something usable for a DM so it should work for your purposes.

Send me an email at streax@sympatico.ca and I'll do what I can to get you going so far as my little scanner can.

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Jeremy Mac Donald wrote:

Well I'm willing to try and work with you to resolve this dilemma.

I just scanned maps 7,9 and 10. There is some slight distortion where there is a crease but this is not art - its making something usable for a DM so it should work for your purposes.

Send me an email at streax@sympatico.ca and I'll do what I can to get you going so far as my little scanner can.

Thanks very much!

I've squeezed off an email, so let me know if for some reason you don't get it.

(I apologise, by the way if towards the end there's some random words, but the spellchecker decided to go crazy and Outlook fired it off before I could stop it!)

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