Uhm... less?
Wow. That's a great answer. I'm sure he doesn't realize that.
I sense a grave disturbance in the force...
As if my tax return cried out in terror, and suddenly vanished.
LOL!! I almost spit coffee across the room.
Tio,
Check out this public entry of the Open Design LiveJournal. Anyone can see this post. In the comments section, I (under the LJ name of InnerCaine) ask this very same question of the participants. That is, I asked them about the $25 dollar level of participation versus the $75 level. I asked them directly how the experience was for them, and at least three shared their thoughts about it.
It help me decide, and it might help you.
Find it here: AT THIS LINK
Thanks Watcher! Following that link will give you a good idea of the difference in the patronage levels, though firedancer is pretty spot on. You get a lot of behind the scenes sneak peeks and you get to add a lot of your own flavor to the discussions (and the module).
Firedancer: 8th level is about what we are looking at. I was thinking anything 12th or lower. If it isn't 8th exactly, I'd be happy to include notes on how to adapt it up and down some too.
Goooooo GORGON!
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Thanks Watcher! Following that link will give you a good idea of the difference in the patronage levels, though firedancer is pretty spot on. You get a lot of behind the scenes sneak peeks and you get to add a lot of your own flavor to the discussions (and the module).
Yeah thanks Watcher. That does make it a bit more clear. But what it doesn't make completely clear for me. Does the basic patronage give you any behind the scenes peaks? Or does it only give you the adventure. I'd love to see stuff on how the adventure was made, but don't necessarily need to imput directly into the story. If I get that with the basic patronage, then that is what it will be. If it doesn't then I'll have to look at the bigger patronage or tone down my need for wanting to be a part of this project.
I found the following on www.wolfgangbaur.com about patronage, but these are three levels and are for the first project. Are these still valid?
Standard Membership
The complete adventure, professionally laid out as a PDF and as a paper POD book.
Access to daily, rubber-meets-the-road design discussion
Q&A, and design essays on topics chosen by the patrons
$75 Patron Membership
All the standard privileges listed above
Acknowledgment in the credits
Ability to suggest design essay topics
Direct access to the project manuscript and to design Q&A sessions
Review sketches, art, maps, handouts, and other graphic elements
$100 Patron Membership
All the standard & $75 donation privileges listed above
A private game in Seattle
An in-person or online chat about your own adventures or game designs
A prominent listing in the project dedication and credits
Suggest a concept for an upcoming project: your pitch may become the next Open Design!
I believe those levels of patronage are still valid Tio!
I'm not 100% sure myself on how much behind the scenes stuff basic membership gets you. I'll rustle up Wolfgang and see if he'll stop by the thread later today. Though Watcher may know.
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This is my third Open Desing patronage but my first one as major patron. Can't wait to see what Wolfgang and Nick will create!Can someone explain the difference between being a minor and major patron? I'm sure lots of people would like to know and it would probably benefit Open Design.
Best have a look at Wolfgang Baur's Open Design Homepage. This should answer your question.
Though Watcher may know.
Nope, I'm just repeating what I've found at various links.. otherwise I'm just a newbie at this myself.
To Kruelaid: not being able to access LJ in (frickan) China is a bummer. You'd miss out on all the fun in advanced patronage, though 2$25 basic membership would still get you a cool product. Does the People's Republic just somehow 'blanket block' the site somehow?
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I just learned that a good friend of mine (who survived/suffered through all the St. Demain madness in Sharn and knew the glee I had running them) got me a donation to partake in this little team-up.
And so far I'm thrilled by the prospect, but can't quite see how it works. On the Kobold Quarterly site there's a place for me to make my donation but not to 'log in' as it were. The forums there have no discussion on it. Where do I go to be part of the community for this? It sounds really super. Looking forward!
-DM Jeff
I just learned that a good friend of mine (who survived/suffered through all the St. Demain madness in Sharn and knew the glee I had running them) got me a donation to partake in this little team-up.
And so far I'm thrilled by the prospect, but can't quite see how it works. On the Kobold Quarterly site there's a place for me to make my donation but not to 'log in' as it were. The forums there have no discussion on it. Where do I go to be part of the community for this? It sounds really super. Looking forward!
-DM Jeff
I understand what you mean Jeff.
Here's what I did and it appeared to work judging by the results:
I hit the donation button, and went to the secure Paypal page, and used my credit card to make the payment.
Then, later that night, I recieved an e-mail from Wolfgang himself (it was a group e-mail with the other addresses on a BCC) welcoming us all to 'Blood of the Gorgon'. Wolfgang went on in the note to explain that he would need us to either have, or go get, a LiveJornal account and e-mail that account name back to him.
(LJ accounts are free at LiveJournal.com)
When you hit reply to this group e-mail, it only goes back to Wolfgang's personal Gmail address, so you won't be spamming anyone.
If you're not familiar with how LiveJournal works, it's like an online blog site, but each entry allows the user to customize the level of security.. determing who can see it and who can not. He creates a group for members and patrons and assigns security rites to them.
So, Wolfgang and Nick can make:
* posts that the general public can see
* posts that Advanced Patrons and Basic Members can see
* posts that only Advanced Patrons can see
* posts that only each other can see
* and so on...
That's how they layer the content, depending on the level of patronage.
Here's an example: Go to the LJ site and hit Archive for January 2008. It should bring up a calender showing them number of posts that have been made each day. Look at the 17th. It will show that there are two posts that day. Now click on it, and if you're a member of the public, you'll only see one post. The other is screened by security priveledge. See how it works?
On a side note, I dislike the terms 'Advanced Patron' and 'Basic Member', but I did use them because it seems the term Patron has been used over time to refer to the $75.00 level participant and the $25.00 level participant. I think Wolfgang has gotten away from that by calling them "Patrons" and "Members" now, but I just wanted to be absolutely clear for the purposes of explanation.
I read the news on the Kobold Quarterly website. This is the second project i have seen where the organizers solicite the gaming community for money for a small benefit. I can't remember which publisher it was, but one offered to share the 4.0 OGL with the top 25 donors to purchase the SRD.
The more I look at this the more it sounds like a scam. At the very least, the publisher in these cases is rather cheap and won't risk the coin since they have little faith in the product the project will produce. I am also sceptical of the benefit that those who pay derive other then personal satifaction. They certainly won't see any financial benefit. That will certainly belong to the publisher which means its a no-risk situation for them. Someone else is putting up the money.
Nick, Wolfgang any comment on this.
Nick wrote"Open Design if you are not familiar with it is absolutely sex-tastic. The patrons go behind the scenes for daily sneak peeks at the adventure design process and contribute their own wants/needs/feverish desires to the design work. I also contribute design essays on some of the more interesting or challenging topics of design as related to this specific adventure too, and of course interact with everyone who signs on to make the process intensi-f#*%! At the end of the process, patrons are the ONLY ones who get the adventure. "
Don't we get this kind of interaction for free with Paizo. From my perspective they haven't missed the mark.
The more I think of this, the more I think it sounds like a scam.
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The OGL fundraiser and theis project are both part of Wolfgang's Open Design, that's why there is a similarity.
This is the 5th Open Design project, and I haven't heard any previous patrons say anything bad about it, or that they got scammed. In fact, there have been rave reviews.
Paizo's customer service and communication is fantastic. It is awesome how much insight into their processes they give us and how much they listen to our feedback. The difference with Open Design is, you get that communication from the beginning of the process, so the final product already incorporates the ideas of the patron audience.
Look at it this way; if people complain about something in a Paizo product, Paizo can make a better or alternative choice on their next product. If you say "we've had to much horror stuff lately" they can make some non-horror modules. That's great! But with Open Design, Nick posts where he's going, and the patrons could say "This seems like too much horror, I want more mysterious" and Nick can adapt where he is going if there is enough demsnd, so the final product is already what the patrons asked for.
If that's a scam, then call me scammed.
BTW, Nick, I want more horror.
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Don't we get this kind of interaction for free with Paizo. From my perspective they haven't missed the mark.The more I think of this, the more I think it sounds like a scam.
You might not be interested, then.
I've been a patron for the last three OD projects. For my money, I get a say (and sometimes a vote) in the design process, as the work is being written.
At Paizo, if you were unhappy with the way, say, the "Skinsaw Murders" ran a plot element, you can change things around for your campaign, but you can't ask Richard Pett to re-write that section for you.
You also get one of the very limited number of copies of the final project. I own a copy of "Empire of the Ghouls". I can be pretty sure that I can run that lengthy adventure, and tht none of my players will be tempted to browse through the book at the FLGS or read spoilers anywhere on the web.
I'm happy with the quality of the final work, and with the interactive process. You might not be, and that's fine.
The chance to work professionally with Wolfgang Baur and Nick Logue? For a prospective professional game writer that's like a top lottery prize. If those two did a clinic together at Gen Con called "Writing Adventures" it would be quintuple booked.
Just curious, is this Gorgon the legendary real world snake-girl Gorgon or the D&D Magic Cow Gorgon?
and if it's the cow- what the heck would its milk do to you?!!
MILK OF THE GORGON!!!
The more I think of this, the more I think it sounds like a scam.
I think it's always best to suggest that something is a corrupt process before questioning people who actually participate in it. Best to not know anything before chucking rocks, and as I always say, "If they bleed, they're obviously guilty."
Open Design doesn't seems to be just as much about the process of writing collaboratively with mentors as it does the viability of any particular final product. I don't see that exact process being offered here.
If someone can raise money from donors, what of it? Power to them. If you don't have 5 grand for the 4th edition license yet you can put out a call to your people and wham, 5 grand? That shows your people truly appreciate what you've been giving them. Those poor dumb scamees. Frankly, I pity them.
Just curious, is this Gorgon the legendary real world snake-girl Gorgon or the D&D Magic Cow Gorgon?
and if it's the cow- what the heck would its milk do to you?!!MILK OF THE GORGON!!!
Eating cow gorgon cheese makes it so ghosts can't pass through you. Aweseome ability.
I was not going to respond, because I thought this serious of a charge should be best replied to directly by Wolfgang and/or Nick. Even still, you might dismiss us as fanbois, but since Chris and Rambling Scribe have spoken up.. I'll offer a few thoughts.
The Fundraiser and the Open Design project are unrelated, except that they both stem from Wolfgang. The fundraiser donations were gifts, with the possibility (but not a certainity) of a benefit if the gift was quite large (the top 20 or 25).
Speaking about the Open Design Project, Blood of the Gorgon:
A scam implies fraud. "I promise you this, but you will only get something else of lesser value." I think they're being pretty straight forward.
They are offering a finished product (an Adventure Book) and an experience. Part of the value is that experience. They will design and write an adventure, and demonstrate every step of the way on how they do it. The more you invest (or donate) the more you're allowed to participate.
For the Basic Membership, you get to watch and ask questions, get some bonus material material on how they did it. Plus you get an approximately 64 page book. Not all that bad for $25 bucks, provided you're interested in how a professional published Adventure Book is put together.
The Patron level really strikes me as a "workshop" that happens online over a period of time (months). It's not a complete collaboration, because Wolfgang and Nick have to be in charge, to ensure that we end up with a quality book at the end. However, you get to step into the workshop and participate with the process. I couldn't think of a better potential learning opportunity.
Let's compare it to a Con. You go to a Convention, you look the Creator up. You have a few minutes to say hi. Tell 'em how much you love their work. They autograph something for you. Then you both have other places you have to be. They got other fans, meetings, and business contacts to make. You got games or shopping to do. And Cons aren't cheap.
With this experience, you have a private opportunity to correspond on a board along with a limited number of other people and get some interaction with these guys. Work on something professionally published together. Offer up some input.
I likened it to DnD Summer Camp, and silly as that is, I don't think that's a bad comparison really. You go, participate, learn, have some fun. Bring something home that you helped make along with some memories.
You see, you're trying to assign dollar value to an experience. Ultimately, when I go to the movies, I am paying for an experience. I have nothing left but memories when it's done. When I go to a fancy restaurant, I eat the food.. But at the end of the day, it's just carbon molecules, some of which I will dispose of in the restroom. By extension of your point of view, theatres and restaurants are scams too.
Me, I'm looking forward to it. I like movies though, and eating out.
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Eating cow gorgon cheese makes it so ghosts can't pass through you. Aweseome ability.Just curious, is this Gorgon the legendary real world snake-girl Gorgon or the D&D Magic Cow Gorgon?
and if it's the cow- what the heck would its milk do to you?!!MILK OF THE GORGON!!!
I believe it's called Gorgonzolla.
Nick mentioned in the podcast that one of the first decisions that will be made by the patrons is "What kind of gorgon are we talking about?"
Eating cow gorgon cheese makes it so ghosts can't pass through you. Aweseome ability.Just curious, is this Gorgon the legendary real world snake-girl Gorgon or the D&D Magic Cow Gorgon?
and if it's the cow- what the heck would its milk do to you?!!MILK OF THE GORGON!!!
If you can spend $5000 to purchase a license agreement, it tells me that you don't believe you can sell enough product to make up the $5000. If your selling memberships to the "customize a dungeon for me" club what does that say?
Why does it seem like teh RPG industry has become a bunch of beggars? First WoTC wants $5000 a head to join their early release party and now fringe publishers are soliciting money for the right to get "personlized" treatment.
There must be alot of people out there who are so desparate for either attention that they'll pay disproportionate amounts of money for something they can get for a reasonable price if they wait a couple months.
Scam was a strong word to use. I'd say that Nick and Wolfgang are just taking money from individuals who are desparate to be either "in the know" in terms of industry insider information (4.0 OGL begging) or are too lazy to create their own material (please join our semi personalized adventure club).
Weak!
Eating cow gorgon cheese makes it so ghosts can't pass through you. Aweseome ability.
I believe it's called Gorgonzolla.
Nick mentioned in the podcast that one of the first decisions that will be made by the patrons is "What kind of gorgon are we talking about?"
I need to listen to the whole thing.. Been so busy I've only heard the first 20 minutes..
Whoohoo, I love the fact that we can talk about and weigh in on that decision!
Hey Troll? Why don't you give the podcast a listen, Nick talks about the process?
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There must be alot of people out there who are so desparate for either attention that they'll pay disproportionate amounts of money for something they can get for a reasonable price if they wait a couple months.
We've already addressed this. You get more than a finished product. (And one that will not be on the shelves, which is important to some people.)
Scam was a strong word to use. I'd say that Nick and Wolfgang are just taking money from individuals who are ... too lazy to create their own material (please join our semi personalized adventure club).
Absolutely correct. (The same could be said for any pre-written adventure.)
I note again: this doesn't seem like your cup of tea. You seem to enjoy creating your own adventures and you don't seem interested in a "backstage" look at how Nick and Wolfgang approach the process.
That's the beauty of the free enterprise system. If somebody hangs a shingle and says, "Buy this" and people say "Yes", then the seller has identified a need, met it, and found a fair market price.
And the beauty of the free speech we enjoy on Paizo's boards is that you can say "You shouldn't buy that; it's too expensive." But understand that, in so doing, you're insulting Nick and Wolfgang, and if you do it strongly enough, you also insult those of us who are shopping there.
And really, that's all I have to say to you.
Eating cow gorgon cheese makes it so ghosts can't pass through you. Aweseome ability.I believe it's called Gorgonzolla.
Nick mentioned in the podcast that one of the first decisions that will be made by the patrons is "What kind of gorgon are we talking about?"
I need to listen to the whole thing.. Been so busy I've only heard the first 20 minutes..
Whoohoo, I love the fact that we can talk about and weigh in on that decision!
Hey Troll? Why don't you give the podcast a listen, Nick talks about the process?
The process. The process is you turn over $75.00 to Nick and Wolfgang and they make you feel warm and fuzzy inside as you contribute to the project to write the adventure. After the adventure is completed you get a copy that could run as high as 64 pages. That seems a little pricey to me. You can get a copy of Pathfinder for 20.00.
I'm sorry, but if I want to be entertained by inbred hicks I'll watch the Texas Chainsaw Massacre or The Hills Have Eyes. Nick's work is ripped off from pop-culture. Frankly, I think its garbage.
You know what - I'm going to call this what it is - A SCAM!
I'm calling schenangins on this one too.
Troll!
There must be alot of people out there who are so desparate for either attention that they'll pay disproportionate amounts of money for something they can get for a reasonable price if they wait a couple months.We've already addressed this. You get more than a finished product. (And one that will not be on the shelves, which is important to some people.)
Scam was a strong word to use. I'd say that Nick and Wolfgang are just taking money from individuals who are ... too lazy to create their own material (please join our semi personalized adventure club).
Absolutely correct. (The same could be said for any pre-written adventure.)
I note again: this doesn't seem like your cup of tea. You seem to enjoy creating your own adventures and you don't seem interested in a "backstage" look at how Nick and Wolfgang approach the process.
That's the beauty of the free enterprise system. If somebody hangs a shingle and says, "Buy this" and people say "Yes", then the seller has identified a need, met it, and found a fair market price.
And the beauty of the free speech we enjoy on Paizo's boards is that you can say "You shouldn't buy that; it's too expensive." But understand that, in so doing, you're insulting Nick and Wolfgang, and if you do it strongly enough, you also insult those of us who are shopping there.
And really, that's all I have to say to you.
Nice dreads
Eating cow gorgon cheese makes it so ghosts can't pass through you. Aweseome ability.Just curious, is this Gorgon the legendary real world snake-girl Gorgon or the D&D Magic Cow Gorgon?
and if it's the cow- what the heck would its milk do to you?!!MILK OF THE GORGON!!!
I believe it's called Gorgonzolla.
Nick mentioned in the podcast that one of the first decisions that will be made by the patrons is "What kind of gorgon are we talking about?"
Scribe, that is the best pun I've seen in ten years. You are now a god to me.
If you can spend $5000 to purchase a license agreement, it tells me that you don't believe you can sell enough product to make up the $5000. If your selling memberships to the "customize a dungeon for me" club what does that say?Why does it seem like teh RPG industry has become a bunch of beggars? First WoTC wants $5000 a head to join their early release party and now fringe publishers are soliciting money for the right to get "personlized" treatment.
There must be alot of people out there who are so desparate for either attention that they'll pay disproportionate amounts of money for something they can get for a reasonable price if they wait a couple months.
Scam was a strong word to use. I'd say that Nick and Wolfgang are just taking money from individuals who are desparate to be either "in the know" in terms of industry insider information (4.0 OGL begging) or are too lazy to create their own material (please join our semi personalized adventure club).
Weak!
Well that's what it tells you but it's not what it tells me. Clearly two people can examine the same list of ingredients and arrive at different dishes.
There are plenty of solid business reasons to buy that 4th edition license now if you're already a name in the industry. I could flesh out my reasoning here if you care to listen, but I'll wait for the invitation because it's not the most interesting of topics. I recall Mongoose Publishing recently wrote something quite comprehensive on the subject regarding why a company would bother, and I agreed with much of what they said.
As for people who pay for the opportunity to get a leg up... and I know you believe that they won't get what they're looking for, let me tell you a little story about a man named Jade.
I once went to a "spend a few minutes with some famous people in the movie industry" seminar called Script to Screen. Generally, I think those kinds of classes are scams and that you can find all that info in books, but check this out... I sidled up to the speaker from MGM/UA who accepts scripts and within a few months sold one to her for full purchase price. It didn't get made (if it had I'd have coked out in Hollywood back in the 90's) but I walked away with an obscene... well, kill fee and put it towards the purchase of a house. People really do win with celebrity snugglin'.
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If you can spend $5000 to purchase a license agreement, it tells me that you don't believe you can sell enough product to make up the $5000. If your selling memberships to the "customize a dungeon for me" club what does that say?
Well, Open Design gets a big troll. And I actually AGREE with you: I don't think that Open Design WILL sell enough product to make $5000 back. That was the whole point of the donations for the license; it makes 4E content possible early. Because GAMERS wanted the 4E material to appear in Kobold Quarterly, they ponied up for the license.
Scam was a strong word to use. I'd say that Nick and Wolfgang are just taking money from individuals who are desparate to be either "in the know" in terms of industry insider information (4.0 OGL begging) or are too lazy to create their own material (please join our semi personalized adventure club).
Uh, I'd hardly call the past patrons desperate or lazy. Chris Pramas, Ed Greenwood, Steven Schend, Phil Reed, Ari Marmell, and other professionals have all been patrons. It's more a way to have some fun.
I'd recommend that you simply not join, if you don't think it's worth your while.
And maybe this discussion should move over to the Kobold Quarterly boards? Yes?
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Eating cow gorgon cheese makes it so ghosts can't pass through you. Aweseome ability.I believe it's called Gorgonzolla.
Nick mentioned in the podcast that one of the first decisions that will be made by the patrons is "What kind of gorgon are we talking about?"
I need to listen to the whole thing.. Been so busy I've only heard the first 20 minutes..
Whoohoo, I love the fact that we can talk about and weigh in on that decision!
Hey Troll? Why don't you give the podcast a listen, Nick talks about the process?
The process. The process is you turn over $75.00 to Nick and Wolfgang and they make you feel warm and fuzzy inside as you contribute to the project to write the adventure. After the adventure is completed you get a copy that could run as high as 64 pages. That seems a little pricey to me. You can get a copy of Pathfinder for 20.00.
I'm sorry, but if I want to be entertained by inbred hicks I'll watch the Texas Chainsaw Massacre or The Hills Have Eyes. Nick's work is ripped off from pop-culture. Frankly, I think its garbage.
You know what - I'm going to call this what it is - A SCAM!
I'm calling schenangins on this one too.
Troll!
This post and the others sure does live up to your avatar's name.
This experience is an awesome chance for people who may have some talent in writing adventures to learn about how the professionals create a product. The insight is worth the money paid if you value this type of a chance. If you don't, great!People pay hundreds of dollars to hang out for an afternoon learning how to drive a Nascar car, then hop in the car for a ride around the track. I would never do it but that doesn't make it a scam. It makes it an activity that I am not interested in doing. Someone who is really into Nascar may think that the price is a steal for a lifelong memory of driving at over 150mph in a Nascar vehicle and the insight into how to drive one.
That said, I really don't have much interest in this particular process as I really don't write my own adventures much. But if I wanted to start submitting adventures to companies, I would jump on this quickly just for the insight that is gonna be provided.
Don't narrow your mind too much, it makes you look dumb.
Open Smurf Design!
Geez - leave a thread overnight and the TrollWars begin !
Hey - TrollWars ! Inspiration for the next open design !
Despite the erstwhile (love using that word) efforts of the aptly named RealTroll, I'm thinking my $25 will have to be upped to the $75 level (just don't tell the wife).
Road bumps are behind us now. Let the enthusiasm recommence.
Nothing is more dangerous than an idea when it's the only one you have. -Emile Chartier, philosopher (1868-1951)
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The whole thing reminds me of the classical greek 'academies' where a bunch of people would get some money together and send a letter to the philosopher of the day that they'll pay him 'X' if he comes and lectures them on some topic.
Today we blow the cash on Hannah Montana tickets, and she's the one who decides when she's coming to our area and what she's singing...
Which is the more advanced culture again?
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Hello Nick,
hallo Wolfgang,
I am looking forward to your project.
I don't like the donating mechanism, though.
1. Why do I have to give away so much additional information about myself to a third party?
It might be me being european, but this breach of privacy protection really irks me. I don't see any sense in paypal receiving more data than necessary. What do they need my post address and my phone number for?
2. A minor point: Your site says that "Euro membership" costs 17 EUR. The link leads to a USD "price tag" though. After conversion the amount is already above 17 EUR, after that add the foreign currency fees of your credit card company... it's not a huge difference, but why any EUR price tag if it doesn't work???
I would really like to pay. You two are great writers and I am really looking forward to your adventure.
But is there any other way to donate?
I am unwilling to use the paypal site under these conditions.
Thanks!
Cheers,
Günther
Edit:
Looking above: My concerns might appear freakish to most, but this isn't a "troll attack". ;-)
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1. Why do I have to give away so much additional information about myself to a third party?
It might be me being european, but this breach of privacy protection really irks me. I don't see any sense in paypal receiving more data than necessary. What do they need my post address and my phone number for?
Guennar, AFAIK the donation mechanism is not supposed to ask for any of that. I know that PayPal follows different banking rules in different countries, but it's supposed to just provide your email address and (with your approval, but optionally) your address.
2. A minor point: Your site says that "Euro membership" costs 17 EUR. The link leads to a USD "price tag" though. After conversion (and including the foreign currency usage fees of your credit card company) the amount rises to more than 17 EUR. Either the link is obsolete or the price tag is wrong...
No idea why PayPal is asking for dollars. If you like, just go to PayPal and use the "Send Money" menu to send in Euros. I'll see what I can do about the link. Thanks for letting me know.
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Hi Wolfgang,
thanks for your fast reply!
Unfortunately I am not given any choice: I left the phone number field blank and was informed that I had to complete *all* data fields.
Not with me.
For the very same reason I had already discontinued the pay pal account I had opened a few years ago.
I donated to "Empire of the Ghouls", too. I can't remember PayPal being so curious by then...
Stupid situation, isn't it? :(
Any way to donate via Paizo? ;-)
Cheers,
Günther
Dang, guys. I saw this post and thought I'd jump in to give a link to the podcast...what with the fact that I'm the host and all. ;-)
But not only did Ed beat me to it (thank you Ed) but you're already up to two pages of discussion on the subject.
When it rains it pours over here at the Paizo boards.
I guess all I can add now is that Nick was a ton of fun to talk to and if you're interested in hearing Wolfgang talk about the Open Design project (and Kobold Quarterly) I did an interview with him several months back, also.
You can find all the episodes at www.thetomeshow.com.