Is it just me???


Dragon Magazine General Discussion

Scarab Sages

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Or did the whole month of November go by without a single adventure for the online Dungeon Magazine.

Through this whole transition I have supported WotC - I feel they are not living up to the promises they have made to us about posting content a few times a week.

Dragon Magazine has really not been much better.

I am not really unhappy with most of the content they have posted but the lack of content is getting ridiculous. For the first time I am beginning to lean toward not subscribing to the DI.


Welcome to the club.

Scarab Sages

As the good cleric would say: "Brothers, let me hear an Amen!"

Scarab Sages

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Solidarity...

(Holds up right hand in a fist)

Liberty's Edge

I show up whenever a new grognard is created, to help him or her through the change. You're....different now....

Scarab Sages

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Heathansson wrote:
I show up whenever a new grognard is created, to help him or her through the change. You're....different now....

LOL - you are killing me. I haven't laughed so hard in a long time. Thank you for helping me through the transition.

Liberty's Edge

Right on. It's just a job I do.


Shem wrote:

Through this whole transition I have supported WotC - I feel they are not living up to the promises they have made to us about posting content a few times a week.

Dragon Magazine has really not been much better.

I would like to play devil's advocate here, and say that WotC has given us exactly what they have promised us...

Not what their posted promises have been, that has obviously fallen short. I never expected them to be able to live up to that, but what they've shown us with website postings prior to now is exactly what they've continued in the "articles" for Dragon in Dungeon.

In other words, it's a dismal disappointment. I will be proud to not support 4.0.

Damn it feels good to be a grognard...

Liberty's Edge

Pinky Narfanek wrote:
Damn it feels good to be a grognard...

Amen


Pinky Narfanek wrote:
Damn it feels good to be a grognard...

oh yes.... preach it brother.


Simply put, WotC isn't doing things right. If they would release a complete issue of each magazine, once a month, it'd be a much better setup. They'd have the time to look over all the article submissions, do proper editing, maybe cast around for some ideas (A.K.A. brainstorming). But instead, they have people posting an article once every few days. Not enough time to fix errors or spruce up the subject matter if things aren't top-notch.

But I am getting the distinct impression that WotC is just going through the motions in regards to Dragon and Dungeon. They really don't want to bother, but they know what we RPGers would say, so they feel they have to placate us. What they really need is a staff devoted to nothing but these two magazines. But that isn't going to happen. This was about cutting overhead after all, despite what the press release said.

Plus, let's not forget that WotC spun off their magazine department 5 years ago; it's now Paizo Publishing. They are the ones with all the magazine publishing experience (and are still putting out a quality product, judging from the Pathfinder series). WotC has none anymore. They are running the online variants like any other online website, and that isn't good enough for a proper magazine, even an on-line one. I've read e-zines before, and they can be just as well written and top quality as any hard copy magazine. So, it can be done.

Until WotC decides to dedicate themselves to turning out a proper magazine, with the proper infrastructure to support it, we'll suffer with their "replacement material".

DogBone

P.S. My feelings kind of ran over, so I apologize for the excessive ranting.

Scarab Sages

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I do not know much about magazine publishing but I do know that articles/adventures usually go on a schedule and are scheduled months in advance for a print magazine and are prepared and sent off to the printer weeks if not months before the issue will be available to the readers.

I suppose if I were doing it - I would do basically the same thing without the printing step.

The articles for Dungeon we got in November are not the adventures I am looking for - just a lot of development stuff for 4e. I understand that some people may be intersted in that information and it is fine to post it but give me what you promised too.

I do understand giving up the print media it is a dying breed. It is not the first magazine I have lost in the past 10 years but if you are going to promise that it will continue online then please continue it.

I hate being wrong and I have been wrong about what WotC is going to deliver to us... A sad day - I was wrong and truly the magazines have died... RIP.


You called?

Spoiler:
Just funnin' you guys. I've written DI Dungeon and Dragon off and avoid the subject. It just depresses me.


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Shem wrote:
I hate being wrong and I have been wrong about what WotC is going to deliver to us... A sad day - I was wrong and truly the magazines have died... RIP.

A long, long time ago I can still remember

how those adventures used to make me smile.
I knew if I had my chance, I could make the plots advance
And gamers they'd be happy, for a while.

But then 150 made me shiver: No more issues would be delivered.
Bad news on the website; the license loss was not right.
Many gamers wailed and cried, but Wizards pushed them to the side
In pursuit of corporate pride, the day that Dungeon died.


Quote:

A long, long time ago I can still remember

how those adventures used to make me smile.
I knew if I had my chance, I could make the plots advance
And gamers they'd be happy, for a while.

But then 150 made me shiver: No more issues would be delivered.
Bad news on the website; the license loss was not right.
Many gamers wailed and cried, but Wizards pushed them to the side
In pursuit of corporate pride, the day that Dungeon died.

HA HA HA!!!

Very creative...and to the tune of "American Pie", right?

DogBone


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DogBone wrote:
Very creative...and to the tune of "American Pie", right?

Yes.

Unfortunately, I'm not creative enough to redo the entire song.

Dark Archive Contributor

Dead Horse wrote:
You called?

Nay.

Spoiler:

HA HA!!! :D

I can't believe no one beat me to that!

Scarab Sages

Pathfinder Maps Subscriber
Mike McArtor wrote:
Dead Horse wrote:
You called?

Nay.

** spoiler omitted **

It takes a special kind of man...


Dragonchess Player wrote:


A long, long time ago I can still remember
how those adventures used to make me smile.
I knew if I had my chance, I could make the plots advance
And gamers they'd be happy, for a while.

But then 150 made me shiver: No more issues would be delivered.
Bad news on the website; the license loss was not right.
Many gamers wailed and cried, but Wizards pushed them to the side
In pursuit of corporate pride, the day that Dungeon died.

I missed this yesterday.

<round of applause>

Dark Archive Contributor

Shem wrote:
It takes a special kind of man...

That sounds like a cologne commercial. :D

Scarab Sages

Pathfinder Maps Subscriber
Mike McArtor wrote:
Shem wrote:
It takes a special kind of man...
That sounds like a cologne commercial. :D

I just report the news...


DogBone wrote:


Plus, let's not forget that WotC spun off their magazine department 5 years ago; it's now Paizo Publishing. They are the ones with all the magazine publishing experience (and are still putting out a quality product, judging from the Pathfinder series). WotC has none anymore.

I would like to add in that they also have no Tabletop Gaming experience either. TSR did and all of its staff. WotC has a few staff devoted to the game (Ed Greenwood being one) itself, many others either quit or were laid off.

WotC's only experience is CCGs and Miniatures. Games that you buy and collect a million of, play it for a few weeks, only to buy a million more of and collect of a new version for another weeks---rinse and repeat.

And now they're goofin' up with D&D itself, too. :(

Paizo Employee Chief Creative Officer, Publisher

Ed Greenwood is a freelancer.

And WotC has plenty of experience with tabletop RPG design.


Razz, are you insane?

Bruce cordel. rich Baker. Mike Mearls. James Wyatt. ASll died-im-the-woolk rpg designers who (last I knew) worked for WotC.

And while we are talking about freelancers Ari marmell. Owen Stevens. And (again last I checked) a remarkable number of Paizo staff.


Razz wrote:


WotC's only experience is CCGs and Miniatures.

That is just wrong. WotC published Ars Magica for a few years back in the 90ies, and published cool stuff for the game. So, WotC has (besides striding in and saving TSR from total ruin) quite some experience with P&P RPGs. They got famous (and rich) with the Magic CCG, granted. I don´t know how many of the old WotC are still in the company today, but stating that they have no experience with P&P is just wrong.

And the Hasbro offer has been too sweet to deny, from what is known about that deal.

Stefan

Scarab Sages

Pathfinder Maps Subscriber
Razz wrote:
DogBone wrote:


Plus, let's not forget that WotC spun off their magazine department 5 years ago; it's now Paizo Publishing. They are the ones with all the magazine publishing experience (and are still putting out a quality product, judging from the Pathfinder series). WotC has none anymore.

I would like to add in that they also have no Tabletop Gaming experience either. TSR did and all of its staff. WotC has a few staff devoted to the game (Ed Greenwood being one) itself, many others either quit or were laid off.

WotC's only experience is CCGs and Miniatures. Games that you buy and collect a million of, play it for a few weeks, only to buy a million more of and collect of a new version for another weeks---rinse and repeat.

And now they're goofin' up with D&D itself, too. :(

I love my miniatures. Way better than the old days when miniatures were metal, unpainted (I am not the most artistic person around), broke even when you were careful with them and usually did not even look like the monster you were trying to represent. Or after I painted them that looked like crap anyway. I also enjoy new versions (usually done better as time passes) of already published miniatures that are now out of print and expensive to buy.


It is true that many members of the WOTC staff have many years of expeience working on table top RPG's. However, they and Hasbro are looking at the bottom line dollar amount when it comes to publishing their books. They figure that because sales of third edition was massive when it fist came out and that with the release of the 3.5 upgrade their sales took an upturn, that if they release a new edition every few years they can cram it down the players throats and they will buy it. Hence one of the many reasons I will not even think about looking at 4.0 for a long time, if ever.

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