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Okay it has to be said, does this actually sound like its based in Faerun?
Nice catch about the cleric of Orcus so what is his portfolio?
a) Has pregenerated characters sinc eit is a preview of 4e,
Hope this qualifies as a good start for a product discussion so its over to you!
My guess is its a setting neutral module.
As for the portfolio of Orcus? I imagine the same as it has always been.
Don't think it'll have much about previous edition conversion in it. At least I'd hate to think they'd waste page space on it. It is a 1-3rd level module after all. Not like you'll be bringing characters from a long lasting campaign into it.
If you'd follow the reports from Gencon, you'd seen that WotC denied again and again that there will be any conversion guide (at least nothing coming close to the one for 3rd edition). 3e and 4e are simply supposed to be too different to make any conversion guide feasible.
Besides they want to promote the new edition and not provide information on how to convert 4e to 3e... ;-)
well they look they are bring back the ## module numbering again at least
I agree thou, I seriously doubt any pages will be devoted to 3.5, that would be like Microsoft devoting pages to XP for Vista install, other then to install Vista over it (ie get rid of it)
You see, there's this new thing called "sarcasm" and I think that's what Fatespinner might be employing there... maybe...
Fatespinner's just saying that while Paizo's module denotations makes sense, WotC's doesn't... I think.
And I thought "H" was for History!So does that mean after Shadowfell we'll eventually see HA-1?
Lately I didn't look that much at the WotC site, but here is the official statement by Bill Slavicsek, director of the WotC R&D department:
Bill Slavicsek on Wizards.com wrote:
Here is the link.
So in short: no conversion guide and only superficial similarities with 3.5e.
Aubrey the Malformed wrote:
Welcome to the Delve format - where they laugh at page counts.
They won't be laughing so much when people don't buy it at that ridiculous price. That's the price of a new hardcover. If it's not a hardcover, it better be a monster-sized softcover.
Perhaps its one of those super adventures they produced this year or maybe whats being paid for are the rules for this preview version of 4e along with some token extras maybe a fold out map, miniatures... well okay its still a bit steep if you wanted to get people interested in a new version of d&d.Perhaps too steep.
That's the same price as the listing on Amazon.
It's listed as a hardcover. And keep in mind you get "three double-sided poster maps suitable for use with D&D miniatures, as well as information on the town of Winterhaven and environs" with the thirty dollar module. That's worth the price of admission, right?
A $29 admission price? Don't know about that. I don't use the maps, and "information on the town of Winterhaven and environs" is a bit too vague a statement for my tastes.As someone else said above, if you are looking to put out a preview module to get people interested, wouldn't it make more sense to leave out the extras that are not of universal use and make it more affordable?
I'm not sure you're getting the WotC marketing strategy- You're not supposed to buy their product any longer because it's useful or you'll enjoy playing it, you're supposed to buy because they tell you what's cool. Like in December and January? Those Monsters and Classes/Races books? You'll happily spend forty bucks between the two of them, essentially paying them for their commercials, because it'll be cool. And in April you'll buy Keep on the Shadowfell a full month before the rules come out to show you how to play it because WotC says it's cool and you'll love all the innovation.
WotC and 4E- First they hypnotize you with the power of their spin, then you send them all your money.
LOL.... sadly, what you said sarcastically above sure does seem damned accurate ;)It will be interesting to see how many people DO actually pay WOTC those inflated prices for their commercials.
found this posted at ENworld. While I'm not quite sure this justifies a $29 price tag, it at least comes a lot closer to what I would expect for that price.
>>Adventure H1: Keep on the Shadowfell: April 2008. This is a quick-start adventure, which will include pregenerated characters -- "Get a jump on 4th Edition with Keep on the Shadowfell™, a D&D® adventure for characters of levels 1–3. This adventure includes a quick-start rulebook, an adventure booklet, a players’ booklet, 3 poster maps, and pre-generated characters. Additional adventure content will be presented on D&D Insider™ (www.dndinsider.com)." 96 pages. [The "H" in "H1" stands for "Heroic"]. Mike Mearls comments on H1: "While H1 is far from a mega-dungeon, I've tried to incorporate at least some sense that the PCs can wander around the dungeon, exploring different sub-sectors and having a really different experience based on what they do....The really nice thing is that there isn't much of a sense of an XP grind in 4e."<<
Some months ago at WoTC
I nearly bought H1, than I saw that it is only 64 pages (at least on the WoTC homepage) and it was clear that they intended to milk gamers again, the additional material on the DI makes it just worse (just say "nominal fee"). So I will wait for the PHB, maybe.
I just figured out what it is with 4e and a fair bit of 3e that has kept irritating me.
Now, I love maps. Where my walls aren't hidden by bookshelves, I have maps up. However, you see, the maps I have up are WORLD MAPS and other things of a large enough scope to be worth the effort. I don't fiddle much with miniatures. They aren't worth my time to invest in, overall, because the metal ones that I can buy aren't painted, and the plastic prepainted ones come in random bundles and usually don't have what I'm looking for with a monster anyhow. Seriously, how long did it take them to get around to making one of the more iconic dungeon beasts, the Gelatinous Cube? (Seriously; it used to be that the simple suggestion of that thing could cause low-level adventurers to have a panic attack...) And you still have to be a Random Booster Pack because Random Collectible Are Kewl (and profitable).
So yeah, given the WotC production values we've seen, the maps I'd likely never use, and all that?
I think I'll given the Keep on the Bord^H^H^H^H^H Shadowfell a miss.
The adventure description sounds suspiciously similar to KEEP ON THE BORDERLANDS from the old Basic D&D Box Set.
A keep overlooking a rift with lots of baddies in it - The Caves of Chaos, maybe? The only difference is that the keep is abandoned rather than active, implying that some of the evil from the Shadowfell wiped out the garrison some time ago.
Is it jaded of me to think that this is a recycled story-line, weakly veiled by a slightly different title?
Given that you're far from the only one to have this suspicion...
I'd say no, you're not.
...wtf is 'H'?!
I'm only guessing, but I imagine based on the announced breakdown of the playable levels into three tiers, Heroic, Paragon and Epic, that a module with the expected play levels of 1-3 will be (H)erioc. Thus Heroic level modules will likely be labeled H1-Hx. Presumably then the Paragon play modules will be label P1-Px and Epic play modules will be label E1-Ex.
Wow I am an old school gamer. They said three poster sized maps and I went wow! I wonder what they'll be maps of! Maybe we'll bet a big Sandpoint style picture of Winterhaven! Maybe a big overview of the region! The thought that they'd just be big bland maze maps with squares for bouncing minis across never even occurred to me.
Blaugh! *twitch* I think I lost a level!
They moved some gods from different sources to the core gods in 4th edition. One of them is orcus, but also Bahamut is a core god now. The new standard d&d setting is unnamed, and is not fearun.
Bout the adventure I guess it has pre-generated character sheets and a small rulebook with 4th edition rules. Similar like the basic d&d boxes has in 3rd and 3.5.
And I also think they wont put 3.5 conversion rules in printed pages. (maybe as web enhancement through ddi)
H is for Hasbro!
Pat o' the Ninth Power wrote:
Interestingly, it's also shown as a trade paperback, and not hardcover.
So, from concept to announcement, something's changed.
WotC's Nightmare wrote:
I believe H is for heroic. It's called H1 becasue it's the first adventure in the heroic tier. I almost feel dirty for even knowing that.
"H" could be for heroic... :p :p
In the old AD&D registry, "H" stood for "High-Level." (And "HH" stood for "Head-to-Head", a series of really well-designed 1-on-1 adventures.)
Upps. Where was I? Ah, yes.
I like the idea that, when the 4th Edition rules hit the shelves next month, there'll already be an adventure available, to demonstrate to the DMs what a 4th Edition campaign should feel like.
This is 4th Edition's version of the old B2, "Keep on the borderlands", or 3rd Edition's "Sunless Citadel".
I boggle at that price-point, though. DM's will be spending a hundred dollars on the rules, and then another $30 on the adventure? Wow.
Ok I got a demo copy of the module yesterday at work in the mail from WotC. It's a folder with a 80 page adventure with a layout that reminds me of Pathfinder Adventure Path.
It's a vast improvement over any D&D module I have seen in the past.
Likewise I saw a demo copy this afternoon. I cringe at the price too.
However, the folio does come with full scale poster size color battlemaps for the whole adventure. That's pretty nice.
Demo copy!!!!!????? how the (Bad Word) did you get a demo copy!!!???
I work at a gaming shop. And I'm in charge of all the RPG ordering so I took the demo copy. Last night I ran a group of 6 people thru the 1st 2 encounters. Went pretty smooth the 2nd encounter lasted much longer than the 1st. Why on earth would you make 1 hit point mobs I'll never know.
If your in the louisville,ky area and want to check it out. You can email me at firstname.lastname@example.org. Or call Book and Music Exchange 969-4403 and ask for donny. I can even set up a playtest demo if you'd like. I hammered thru enough of the rules I think I have a pretty good feel for the system.
Think once I get thru one more sit down and play with the rules session I'll start planning some public demos.
A $29 admission price? Don't know about that. I don't use the maps, ...
Well if you intend to play 4e your certainly going to have to start learning how to use maps because 4e is all about combat. Those roleplayers who prefer to play in the living room relaxing on sofas and no table will find 4e very hard to adjust too given that so many of the powers of classes involve positioning on the battlemap. Its sure gonna affect at least one gaming group I belong too where its hard enough to get them to use XP let alone miniatures!
However if you enjoy wargaming 4e is for you.