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Same as Fakey - 3rd.

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I'm in! Yeah I'm going to AA*!!!! Time to bang some heads.

FH

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I'm in! I'll play a halfling rogue/Illusionist. Stats done by tomarrow morning.

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Me too, Aubrey.

Any theme, Actaris/Fake Healer? Gnomes? Little folk? illusionists all?

I'll put something together over the weekend.

Cheers


Well, I'm playing a halfling Rogue/Illusionist and I've got a nasty trick up my sleeve for someone...

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Oh, another couple of rules - I don't like flaws, so you can't use those. Or anything from the UA unless I specifically OK it. But you can use the non-core classes from the Complete books.


No flaws but Complete books allowed? That changes my character a little. I'll work him up and try to post him tonight.


Can we use Feats and PrCs from the Complete books as well? Right now I'm thinking a Ninja/Warlock or a Ninja/Illusionist.

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Nevermind, I'm out of this arena battle. I ain't fightin' in nothing that lets all the Complete stuff in. Too complex to keep track of, especially for a PBP, and not very balanced IMO.
Have fun guys.

FH


Fake Healer wrote:

Nevermind, I'm out of this arena battle. I ain't fightin' in nothing that lets all the Complete stuff in. Too complex to keep track of, especially for a PBP, and not very balanced IMO.

Have fun guys.

FH

I agree.Personally i think it should be limited to core books only.I aint running an arena though so i dont get a say.*shrug*

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Aubrey - I think my spot should go to someone else.

Complete books isn't the issue, it's the fact that Team Kobold is now about to enter the arena and one Fight is more than enough for me (when you include the 2 pbps).

Plus there are numerous others wanting a crack at this.

Cheers

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No probs, Wolfie.

Part of the point of using the Complete books is to see how the new core classes perform in combat, both amongst themselves and the standard classes. Some stuff from the UA which found its way into the SRD strikes me as not especially well thought out (flaws being one of those things).

I'm leery about anything apart from the classes. I don't think the classes are terribly unbalanced, but I don't know enough about the feats and the rest of the stuff in there. I will adopt the position I have for my Eberron game: you know the basic ground rules, anything else is on a case-by-case basis. I want people to have fun and the characters they want. However, if we are attempting a league or something similar here, we may need to rein back our impulses as it isn't just one little gaming group involved.

Can I suggest that anyone planning to be an arena master should engage in debate about what is and isn't available? And what are we trying to achieve? Just a bit of one-off fun? Or a sort of league arrangement? In which case we need to think how that might work, and what is permissible.

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I am not trying to regulate your arena battle but the reason that Vissigoth chose to start off with the core rules is because it is something that everyone has access to. I own 1 or 2 Complete books because after I bought them, I decided that I didn't want to buy 15 books that slightly alter the game and each one seemed more and more powerful(which has been referred to on many threads I've read as WotC's Power Creep).
I wouldn't be able to adjudicate a match with the Complete books because I don't own them. I do own the PHB2 and ToB but I don't believe we should include them in the arena either because then we need to figure out how to work immediate actions and swift actions in a PBP, PvP, arena battle.
If you want to include the Complete books then go for it, but I can't/won't be joining in the battle because I don't feel that they lend themselves well to this environment, and I would prefer if the PBP arena was as easily regulated as possible.
just my opinion.

FH

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Yeah, sure, that's a valid point and I mostly agree. Maybe I'll ask the punters, i.e. those about to die blah blah blah: shall we keep it to the core three, for convenience and playability? If we want different teams to be able to play one another (which I guess we do) then we probably need to stick with those.

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Aubrey the Malformed wrote:
Yeah, sure, that's a valid point and I mostly agree. Maybe I'll ask the punters, i.e. those about to die blah blah blah: shall we keep it to the core three, for convenience and playability? If we want different teams to be able to play one another (which I guess we do) then we probably need to stick with those.

I don't think this is an issue for the combatants to decide. Of course they would want more options and classes and feats and equipment. This is an issue of rules being equally available for the DM and ALL the players, and keeping the rules as simple as possible to promote a fair, easily regulated, and fast-paced PBP battle.

Now if you wanted to use a class, race, feat, or something else that was placed online by WotC, Paizo, Necromancer Games, etc. and stated that in the character build rules with a link for all players to have equal access, then I would be more inclined to agree with allowing some additional materials. I believe that WotC posted the mechanics for Goliaths a while back, as an example, so I would have no problems if a link was provided by the Arenamaster and all players were allowed to use this info for character design. If Paizo posted the pertainent info on the Varisian weapons (starknife, scarves, etc.) then I would feel fine with an Arenamaster posting the link and allowing all Players to use the info provided.
I would rather add little modifications to the rules rather than a global addition of 10-20 books of varying quality and balance.
If the arena becomes the Character Optimization boards over at WotC, then I feel like it will be a failure, removing the casual fun of the battles and making it into a hard-core, rules-scouring-for-the-best-build-ever, type of environment.
I just want to try to keep it fun and easy for everyone involved.

FH

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Aubrey the Malformed wrote:
Yeah, sure, that's a valid point and I mostly agree. Maybe I'll ask the punters, i.e. those about to die blah blah blah: shall we keep it to the core three, for convenience and playability? If we want different teams to be able to play one another (which I guess we do) then we probably need to stick with those.

I'll be honest, I agree with FH. The arena should be Core/SRD only. Sure, it limits character options, but that's not really such a big deal, imo. It makes the game more about strategy and luck instead of "who picked the most powerful uberthing." As someone who owns all of the Complete books, I have to say that it takes 5 times as long to create a character when you have to reference 4 books in order to put everything together. Checking those characters for errors would be a nightmare in a PbP format (hell, it's hard enough in tabletop) and it adds an unecessary amount of complexity. I'm willing to participate in an arena battle with Complete books allowed, but I feel that it would be much easier on everyone if they weren't.

My $0.02.

Liberty's Edge

I agree with Fake Healer and Fatespinner. I would like to keep it just SRD. It keeps things even between the players. I personally have no problem with the Complete Books. I allow them in my at home games and in my PbP game. Some of the classes and character options are a bit overpowered IMO.

Every one has access to the SRD, so everything is fair. In a PvP game, both teams should start on equal footing. If one team has access to a zillion splat books and the other doesn't, things become too uneven.

I'll start an Arenamaster Debate thread so we can decide exactly what rules we are using, starting level, level adjustments, and house rules.

Liberty's Edge

Here is the Arenamaster Discussion Thread.


just wondering if players new to this discussion/board are allowed to join. have read through the previous posts, so i've a good idea what to expect... also want to clarify whether the entire srd is valid for use (specifically psionics) or not. i'm a firm believer in upholding the core books only (not picky about the srd really, just curious) ruling.

also, was looking through spartacus's stats, and you're doing yourself an injustice, vissigoth: ride checks are not affected by armor check penalties. from phb 3.5 pg 122: "... penalty applies to balance, climb, escape artist, hide, jump, move silently, sleight of hand, and tumble..." of course this would not be the case if you weren't proficient with the armor/shield you were wearing (not the case for spartacus), in which case you'd take that armor check penalty to all dex and str based skills and checks as well as all attack rolls.

oh, and can someone point me in the direction of the avatars... i'll need one for myself as well as my 'toon. thanks in advance

and see you in the Pit!

oh, one last thing: which team needs another player? likely i'll create a 'toon for each team anyhow, just cuz i like making them, but i'll work with whomever needs help first.

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