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I just saw this movie, and hate to say that it kind of sucked. There were a lot of excess storylines and the three main characters keep switching sides. The endding wasn't very strong, and a lot of important people die. Keith Richards only has like two lines, then he just goes and sits in the cornner and plays guitar.
This will ruin the movie if you haven't seen it:
I just saw this movie, and hate to say that it kind of sucked. There were a lot of excess storylines and the three main characters keep switching sides. The endding wasn't very strong, and a lot of important people die. Keith Richards only has like two lines, then he just goes and sits in the cornner and plays guitar.
This will ruin the movie if you haven't seen it:
** spoiler omitted **
"PIRATE KING?"... "PIRATE KING" WHAT THE HELL ARE THEY TRYING TO BE like THAT SHOW "One Piece!" that is really sad
I just saw this movie, and hate to say that it kind of sucked. There were a lot of excess storylines and the three main characters keep switching sides. The endding wasn't very strong, and a lot of important people die. Keith Richards only has like two lines, then he just goes and sits in the cornner and plays guitar.
This will ruin the movie if you haven't seen it:
** spoiler omitted **
Yeh, I kind of agree. It felt like two hours of exposition, followed by one hour of action that didn't quite pay off. The "big pirate meeting" with Keith Richards felt like a bad D&D section where everyone is trying too hard to make things sound more important than they actually are. As for the end...
There were moments that I liked, but overall, it was convoluted and ponderous.
I actually kind of liked it. Honestly, it puts me more in mind of some really cool D&D moments more than either of the "official" D&D movies did. Yes, it was a bit bloated, but I wouldn't get too bent out of shape about the "pirate king" bit. I mean, by this movie if you are still watching you have already accepted the convoluted way the Aztec gold curse worked, the fact that there is actually a pirate code, the fact that the monkey could still be undead, Davey Jones and his curse and his deals, the compass, the heart, the "sea witch," and the kraken. Is the king thing harder to accept?
Okay, just went and saw it, I suppose it could have been better, and I'm really hoping they make another one to tie up the loose ends.
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I really liked the movie, it was better than the second one. There are several funny parts in the movie, mostly with Jack, and whole thing had a very D&D feel.
The whole movie reminded me of an Eberron setting with the over zealous Lord moving towards evil and corruption while trying to eliminate the evil he sees. Not being able to tell who was good or bad or what they were going to do next.
As for Jack, Will and Elizabeth switching sides I think if just shows how pirates can't be trusted and can't trust anyone else.
A few more thoughts . . .
I also had the feeling that the whole "Elizabeth really wants Jack" foreshadowing was just dropped in this one. If she didn't know what she wanted, then the compass wouldn't have pointed to Jack. So did she want Jack's "lifestyle" as a pirate? They never really addressed that, and all of the sudden Will and Elizabeth were soul mates again just in time for the "bittersweet ending."
She looked good in the boot thought.
Oh, if you have any kind of aversion to bad teeth, you may want to avoid this one. I haven't seen teeth like that since . . . well, never actually. Very bad teeth.
Gotta say, I liked it too. I felt like they ended the series in fine style. There were some parts that felt a little convoluted, but like KEJR said, every Pirates movie was the same way. And yes, the movie DID have a D&D feel to it - for whatever reason, the brief shot of them sailing into the cavern of ice really made that thought pop into mind.
I was talking to a friend about how it was more than likely going to suck and she said that you have to go int the movie only looking for pretty colors. Don't go for the plot or the acting, just for the pretty people in pretty costumes doing cool things on a boat.
That being sad, I liked it. It was fun and easy to understand. As long as you don't think of it as a real movie (you know, the ones with plots and stuff) then it's totally fine.
I've heard a lot of people say it was terrible. What were they expecting? It's exactly in the footsteps of the first two. It's fun piratey action, not Lord of the Rings. I definitely got my money's worth and want to see it again.
I actually thought it was alright. It's true that Keith Richards appearence didn't make any sense, neither did the Calypso thing(why did we never heard of that hook before?!?) but hey, look at the bright side, at least they ressurected Jack-though I wished he had survived the fight against the krake, which would have made him the super pirate who survives a fight against the kraken.
I didn't like that Jack didn't have the guts to become the new captan of the Dutch, but still the movie was pretty funny and action-packed(ship battle in the whirlpool!!)
Well, if there is a Pirates 4 and 5, and I hope that it will, I hope Jack hooks up more with the hot chick, and that he kills the stupid william turner(who shoul'd have died a long time ago)
I saw it yesterday, and I liked it. I got just what I exepcted, which wasn't a masterpiece. But a fun movie that would be easy to follow. But I can see why people didn't like it. I heard a rumor they started filming this movie before the script was complete, which could explain a few things I didn't like with it. But overall, it was an enjoyable experience :)
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I saw it yesterday and had a rollicking good time. My first rule of thumb with these Pirates movies has been "set aside all assumptions about reality". Once you do that, the pirate's code, the "magic" compass, and the other supernatural or plain weird things become perfectly understandable. Pirate King? Monkey shot from a cannon? Sure why not?
And yes, everyone lied to each other, switched sides over and over again and basically no one could trust anyone. There is no Honor has been said before, and I think it aptly applied to the characters in the film, most of which seem to be somewhere between chaotic neutral and chaotic evil in outlook.
It is clear Keith Richards is no actor but belive it or not I think he actually looked better than when I saw him and the rest of the Stones live in 1989. As soon as he showed up in the film, many of the adults in the audience laughed and it was oddly surreal to see Depp and Richards right next to each other. When Richards first came on screen Depp's face was awesome - the idea is that he was scared of seeing the fabled pirate again but the real joke was that he looked more like a class clown that has been mocking the teacher's mannerisms and his comeuppance was due. Priceless stuff really.
Yes the Calipso thing could have been foreshadowed a bit more in the second film, and her behavior was not entirely understandable in this film. Still, it was clear from the second movie that Calipso's human form (don't recall her name) was a very powerful person, though the hints were subtle then AFAIK.
And about this "heart" business... It seemed clear to me why Jack wouldn't stab the heart; he wants no responsibility and he knew what would happen if he stabbed the heart; he would become another Davy Jones, for he would never ferry the souls to their rightful place. Jack wants eternal life and all (hence the Fountain of Youth references at the end) but he has been dead once and undead once and knows that neither approach will work for what he has in mind. Why Will then? Well keep in mind he didn't actually do it, his hand and weapon were placed over the heart just before he perished; he didn't really stab the heart of his own free will. So, I thought that too was pretty well done and perfectly in character for Capt. Swallow. The shock of seeing Will get stabbed was huge and really really unexpected (based upon everyone's reactions in the theater) but it is perfectly in the thinking of Swallow to solve two problems at once (keeping a good man from dying and the destruction of Davy Jones) in a novel way that has unforseen or unintended consequences. Will has enough integrity to take the task of ferrying souls on, and so he is bound to the Dutchman - for now.
I had my own ideas about the whole stabbing of the heart thing. I thought it showed Jack's softer side. He knew Will was going to die, the only way to keep him alive, was to have him stab the heart, thus Jack saved his life in a sense. They'd just better make another one! I want my happily ever after!
Four of my friends went to see it today -they didn't like it. I will go and see it this Sunday hopefully -anything with Kiera Knightly is fried gold IMO. :)
Four of my friends went to see it today -they didn't like it. I will go and see it this Sunday hopefully -anything with Kiera Knightly is fried gold IMO. :)
Her and Johnny are really why girls my age go see those movies. Forget Orlando Bloom-the kid is only good as Legolas, and that's cause he doesn't talk. I really loved Keira's role in the movie, total girl power. It was pretty awesome.
For everyone wanting another movie to come after this one...there was a scene after the credits that nixed it a little bit. It gave me the happy ending bit I wanted though. :D
The moral of the story is: never leave before the credits end at a Pirates movie!
For everyone wanting another movie to come after this one...there was a scene after the credits that nixed it a little bit. It gave me the happy ending bit I wanted though. :D
The moral of the story is: never leave before the credits end at a Pirates movie!
After the credits! Sheesh Please tell me what happened
You know, back in the nineties when the "stuff after the credits" trick was new, I thought it was hilarious, and I used to sit through them just to see what everyone else didn't see. Now its really starting to get aggrivating. If you can tell a freaking story in two hours and fourty odd minutes then I'm not sitting through the credits just to see how you "really" wanted it to end.
X-3 really kind of pissed me off with the "well, its actually an important scene" trick (instead of the funny, "look what you missed" kind of scene at the end of, say, Wayne's World), and this kind of angers me. Trick isn't funny any more. If only Peter Jackson had followed this formula, maybe we wouldn't have seen Frodo throw the ring into Mount Doom until after the credits.
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Yeah I am with KnightErrantJR on this one. What's next? Do I have to buy the movie on DVD and "run it backwards" to hear special voiceovers telling me what the next one will be about? Sheesh!
Ok, so what happened after the movie? I had to leave as soon as the credits began to roll if I was to make it home in time.
I looked it up online, because I'm not going to go see it again just for the stupid scene after the credits roll. Here goes:
I've heard a lot of people say it was terrible. What were they expecting? It's exactly in the footsteps of the first two. It's fun piratey action, not Lord of the Rings.
Any of these movies is better than The Lord of the Rings!
I didn't like it. It seemed to long and only existed to tie up plot lines, kinda like the Matrix episodes did. However, I did enjoy the ship-to-ship battle sequences and it made me pine for a good period piece naval warfare movie. Wasn't there supposed to be another Master and Commander movie?
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Yhea, I missed the end scene after the credits and it really ticked me off. I read about it on Wikipedia. Supposedly, Will is free of the curse after 10 years as long as he and Elizabeth are faithfull to each other.
The reasons I didn't like this movie are:
Unneeded Plotlines:
The whole Calypso thing was retarded. The should have left Tia Doma as a voodoo preistes. Now they have two sea deity characters. Davy Jones is the embodiement of the sea. Now they throw in a sea goddess that wasn't forshadowed in the second movie. Then she turned into a giant big enough to crush a ship with one hand. Then what does she do. She makes a storm and then just goes away. And why does Barbossa want to free her. Maybe they struck a deal so she would resurect him so he would free her. My wife says they explained it during the movie. Maybe I dozed off during that part.
The Pirate Council:
Pirates are chaotic people, but they need just enough rules to keep them from killing one another, hence the Pirate Code. The Pirate Code is refrenced in other pirate liturature such as Treasure Island, so it has a precedent. But, they would not have a governing body, or a huge book containing all of the pirate laws. As Barbossa said in Curse of the Black Pearl, there really just guide lines.
Plot Discrepancies Detween Movies:
Before the first movie, Barbossa was Jack's first mate on the Black Pearl. Now, he's a pirate lord. Shortly after he mutinied against Jack, he was cursed, then he was dead, then he was hanging out a Tia Doma's. When did he get promoted to pirate lord.
Also, in the Curse of the Black Pearl Jack's compass only points to the Isle de Morte. Now in Dead Man's Chest it points to what ever you want most. Perhaps if Jack really wanted to get to the Isle de Morte, then it's plausable. But, one would suspect that the thing he wanted most was to get his ship back. So the compass would point to the Black Pearl, not the Isle de Morte.
The Kraken is DEAD!
They killed the Kraken off camera. What the hell.
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Unneeded Plotlines:
The whole Calypso thing was retarded. The should have left Tia Doma as a voodoo preistes. Now they have two sea deity characters. Davy Jones is the embodiement of the sea. Now they throw in a sea goddess that wasn't forshadowed in the second movie. Then she turned into a giant big enough to crush a ship with one hand. Then what does she do. She makes a storm and then just goes away. And why does Barbossa want to free her. Maybe they struck a deal so she would resurect him so he would free her. My wife says they explained it during the movie. Maybe I dozed off during that part.
Calypso was kinda lame. Her deal with Barbossa is hinted at during the movie, enough for you to understand what was going on between the two, but never actually spelled out.
Plot Discrepancies Detween Movies:
Also, in the Curse of the Black Pearl Jack's compass only points to the Isle de Morte. Now in Dead Man's Chest it points to what ever you want most. Perhaps if Jack really wanted to get to the Isle de Morte, then it's plausable. But, one would suspect that the thing he wanted most was to get his ship back. So the compass would point to the Black Pearl, not the Isle de Morte.
I don't think its ever explained in the Black Pearl what the compass is pointing towards. I don't think its in the deleted scenes on the DVD either, but I'd have to go back and watch it again. They used dead man's chest to explain the compass and its "powers".
Personally, I thought the movie was much more entertaining then the second one. Believable, maybe not, but I'm not sure its meant to be.
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It was actually quite a bit better than I expected - and much better than the second one. My only complaint is the kraken. As for all the other stuff - it makes as much sense as anything else in the series. If anyone is going to b~+@+ about logical discrepancies or weird plot twists, they've gotta start with the opening of the first movie and just about everything since then...
All in all, it wrapped up the series in a rather satisfying way, I thought - unlike, say, Matrix III, which was sorta what I feared.
Did anyone actually stay to watch the end of the credits. There was an extra scene.
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You know, back in the nineties when the "stuff after the credits" trick was new, I thought it was hilarious, and I used to sit through them just to see what everyone else didn't see. Now its really starting to get aggrivating. If you can tell a freaking story in two hours and fourty odd minutes then I'm not sitting through the credits just to see how you "really" wanted it to end.
X-3 really kind of pissed me off with the "well, its actually an important scene" trick (instead of the funny, "look what you missed" kind of scene at the end of, say, Wayne's World), and this kind of angers me. Trick isn't funny any more. If only Peter Jackson had followed this formula, maybe we wouldn't have seen Frodo throw the ring into Mount Doom until after the credits.
I don't like being one-of-four still sitting in the theater after everyone else has left, the lights are up, and the two 16 year-old part-timers are trying to sweep up the popcorn under my feet, alternating between who can give me the deepest scowl...
Just watched it.
It looked great but didn't really get my juices flowing.
Bit boring and I was waiting for it to end -still better than the last one and the surreal parts in the locker were cool. The fight scenes were a huge let down there weren't any cool 'goose bumps' moments for me in it at all.
I enjoyed it for what it was, and I didn't find myself checking my watch every five minutes to see if it was almost over yet.
That being said, I'll have to cast my lot in with the "not as great as it could have been" crowd. I mean seriously, Calypso? Now we have a goddess throwing her weight around?
The focus seemed to drift too far away from "Arrr! I be piratey!" to something that wanted to be far more epic than it could manage.
As for the ending? Sucked, in my opinion. Sure, I'd rather have a mushy, happy ending, but in this case I think even a heartwrenching "Will is dead, Elizabeth must carry on." would have been more satisfying than what we got.
Honestly, I was expecting a very Disney "Calypso, the forsaken love of Davy Jones, sees the purity of Will And Elizabeth's bond, and decides to remove the curse" sort of ending. I would have been good with that.
Sadly, much like Spiderman 3, I think they tried to cram too much into too little. This storyline could have easily brought them to-- at minimum-- Pirates 5, with a lot more craft, care and thought given to the overall plot in each.
Bottom line though, is that I didn't regret spending the $10 to see it, and as far as movies go these days, any flick that I don't regret spending money on is a winner in my book.
I enjoyed it for what it was, and I didn't find myself checking my watch every five minutes to see if it was almost over yet. That being said, I'll have to cast my lot in with the "not as great as it could have been" crowd. I mean seriously, Calypso? Now we have a goddess throwing her weight around?
I actually liked that part of the plot. Barbosa turned into one of the coolest characters for me because of the whole 'work with your back, not with shady dealings' stuff (although he was in a shady deal with the goddess at the time). Calypso was more representing the chaos of the sea than a goddess in the typical sense, which I thought was very piratey. It also reminded me of the second movie when they argued whether Davy Jones was in love with a woman or the sea; turns out it was both. Kinda cool.
Bottom line though, is that I didn't regret spending the $10 to see it, and as far as movies go these days, any flick that I don't regret spending money on is a winner in my book.
Seriously.
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One note on the foreshadowing of Calypso- her relationship with Jones was foreshadowed in the second movie pretty clearly. Not only did she show some pride when talking about herself, but she also had a necklace identical to Davy Jones' locket "musicbox" in her hut. Look for it when Sparrow is stealing her rings- they seemed to do that so we'd notice it.
It was fun but I thought a lot of it was crap too. A lot of reasons others have stated but I think the others I felt were these:
1. There was a sort of effort to make the pirates the heroes. I actually don't like movies where people who are in fact criminals are irritatingly elevated. I mean--the East India Company want to regulate things and establish order. Oh dear. It reminded me of the 2nd Jurassic Park movie--I had trouble with seeing the heroes as heroes and the villains as villains.
2. The fleet just sailing away at the end. What the hell? I thought that was a copout.
3. It really really really bugged me that the Kraken was left out of it. Why take a perfectly cool uber monster out of the plot and put in a totally unecessary sea-goddess?
4. The stupid marriage scene at the end. That was dumb. I don't care if it was romantic, it irritated the crap out of me.