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All dragons die some day but I wish this one lived on for an other 100 issues.....
It's like the 5 & dime closing or the last gas station in town....
Another tradition trashed.....
I remember in 1980 reading my very first issue of Dragon. As a young kid I was immune to all outside forces while wrapped up in this twilight zone like book. I have learned some much from it over the years and enjoyed a smile or two from wyrm :)
Wotc is not TSR and things have really changed in the hobby, but this is wrong. And is makes me fear the end for D&D as a true blue RPG is near.
I'm an old timer I guess. I just love the RPG experiance and have little use for the miniature rules. Just give me a bag full of more dice then anyone will ever use a box full of musty books, half of which you never open, A cold pizza, a 12 pack of coke and 20 of 30 copies of Dragon to pull ideas from. Now, THAT! is DUNEGONS AND DRAGONS!
No matter what happens in the hobby world or the world of "sales" vs. "profit". I will always love DRAGON and will miss it very much!
Hasbro & Pazio, You need to rethink this idea...
A 35 year gamer and Dragon defender!
Please don't slay this Dragon :(
Morris, I have to agree with you. It will be missed very much.
42 year old gamer.
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Well in all fairness it currently looks like this was mostly WotC's decision to pull the liscence. Paizo in effect decided to do what it does best (Adventure Paths) and run with it. They've already stated that they can't launch another magazine because it's not financialy viable to start from scratch was their response. Although I think there might be legal restrictions from WotC as well [non-competion clauses, etc].
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I was very disappointed when I learned Dragon and Dungeon were being cancelled, and I sent a polite letter of complaint to WotC's CEO, and cc'ed the CEOs of Hasbro and Paizo on the letter too. Ya know what, Paizo's CEO (Lisa Stevens) was good enough to send me a response. I really appreciate that kind of customer support and respect. Guess who I haven't heard from...
Ahh for the good old days... We'll all miss Dragon and Dungeon mightly. For those of us who have been gaming since the begining or close to it, this has to be one of the most sad things to see. I have the quinessential horde of minis and books, the veritible army of dice, pens, graph paper, and note cards. I still have every character I have ever played and every single NPC I have ever run. Dragon and Dungeon were important parts of my life. I looked forawrd to coming home and saying "I wonder if my magazines have come in today?" No more... ::sighs:: 'tis a sad day indeed friends, when someone in a corporate boardroom who most likely as prevoisuly mentioned has never played, makes the decision to kill off a perfectly good product. I know all about .PDFs, I have most of books backed up electronically in case something happens, or I do not have the means of transporting my horde to a game. But hardcopy will NEVER die! I say we all start a petition to keep Dragon and Dungeon alive.
I remember the first time I laid my eyes on a Dungeon and Dragon mag, it was way back in 1985, I was 12 years old at the time (smiles & sighs) My dad took me to Westfield’s shopping mall in my home town of Liverpool (Australia)
Dad was busy looking for a gift for his friend so we went to this really cool store called Games R Us, you know the type, filled with funny looking BBQ aprons, cool board games and some other crazy 80s nick knacks, anyways as Dad was talking to the shop clerk I ventured deeper within the store, something had attracted my attention, I was not sure what it was but it looked interesting.
As I made my way to the very back of the store I found myself gazing near awe struck at a "life size" cut out of a Skeleton wielding a huge axe!
As I drew my attention away from the fell creature I noticed that I had stumbled upon an entire corner of the store dedicated to D&D, there was this big shelf which contained all the old basic boxed sets and an assortment of other great books but what really got me was the two racks of Dungeon and Dragon Magazines!
I marvelled at the covers, my imagination racing with a thousand thoughts as to what lay within those many enigmatic pages heh, I still remember the first Dragon mag I picked of that rack, Issue 93 Jan 1985, the cover had this great painting of a
Weretiger transforming as a huge Tiger watches guard over her!!!
These two magazines have stood the test of time where other gaming mags have failed so long ago, they are as far as I’m concerned an intricate part of the entire D&D genre, a part which I feel brings both the designers and players (all huge fans) of the game together.
News of there conclusion saddens me.
Anyway I guess what I want to say is that I am a 100% believer in progress but as far as I’m concerned, your decision to discontinue the production of Dungeon & Dragon magazines is one huge step backward rather then a step forward.
Since I live in Australia where we pay about $12 US for a Dungeon mag, I fail to see any way that the versatility of these two publications can even be remotely matched by the new Pathfinder book, which will retail here for about $40 US.
tis a sad day indeed.
As for WOTC, all I can say is.....
"The WOTC, the WOTC, the WOTC is in fire.....
We don't need the mother, let the MotherF*$%#* burn!, Burn MotherF*$%* BURN!!"
“He was a man,” said Conan. “I drink to his shade”
R.I.P. DRAGON
I am sad.
Ok to be fair, today in the mail I received a form letter from WotC too.I did too, in response my 'angry letter'. I put it through a paper shredder, then burned it. I then buried the ashes.
Oh no! You should have dissolved the letter in acid after burning it! It will definitely come back now!
:-O
In service,
Rich
Go to www.drgames.org.
R.I.P. DRAGON
I am sad.
Me too!
:-(
I've been gaming since 1977, and Dragon was a big part of the experience over the years.
In service,
Rich
Go to www.drgames.org.
I did too, in response my 'angry letter'. I put it through a paper shredder, then burned it. I then buried the ashes.
That doesn't seem like maybe just a bit of an over-reaction?
I did too, in response my 'angry letter'. I put it through a paper shredder, then burned it. I then buried the ashes.That doesn't seem like maybe just a bit of an over-reaction?
You don't wanna see what he did with the ashes.
This is very sad. I have enjoyed these publications as much as any facet of gaming. My friends and family have a decade old campaign that was inspired by some long forgotten article. I can't believe this incredible source of creativity and imagination will be off the stands. My quick escape from the daily grind is about to wash out. BAH! No good.
I remember my folks taking me for a drive to Lake Geneva which was only 45 minutes or so away from our house and I picked up my first issue of Dragon. I think the number was somewhere in the 30 range. The cover had two adventures with treasure climbing up some stairs and at the top was a devilish looking IRS character awaiting them. Phil Foglio did the cover. Anyway, I cherished that magazine and all the Dragons that came after. I was just getting into the game at that point with the basic box set and though "advanced" D & D seemed so complicated to me at that point having just read the basic rules I knew someday my group would be moving on to advanced D & D.
And so in a few months when the last issue of Dragon comes to my mail box it will indeed be a sad day. The game and magazine are an institution and indeed art. It will be greatly missed.
I can't believe this incredible source of creativity and imagination will be off the stands. My quick escape from the daily grind is about to wash out. BAH! No good.
If their evil plan is to capitalize on students having laptops, recent research is finding that giving laptops to high school kids is a detriment.
Check out this New York Times Article: “Seeing No Progress, Some Schools Drop Laptops” .
I can understand the pressures to cut printing costs by moving content online, but I think WotC, and others, have missed a big part of what DnD is.
I am 24 and have been playing DnD for 10 years. I love the books, the character sheets, the magazines, and even writing with a pencil. Yes, I play tons of video games, prolly 20 hours a week, but what I like about RPGs is that I sit at the table with my friends and we pull out paper with printed words on them.
Technology is not automatically good, just because it is new.
Fire up the printing presses again!
I'm relatively new to Dragon, having only been a subscriber for four years, but Dragon means more to me than I can say. It's what got me into D&D and what spurred me into embracing the fantasy genre. I might very well be a different (and probably not for the better) person if I had never begun reading Dragon. To see something so dear to me slain by unfathomable corporate machinations is beyond heartbreaking.
After the initial fit of rage which I'm sure many others shared, I was left with an awful, sorrowful numbness. Where am I supposed to go now for the kind of humor, creativity, and sense of community that Dragon provided? I don't think such another magazine exists. I doubt there's anything that can even remotely fill the void. Dragon was one of a kind, and nothing can ever replace it.