I think Wizards may someday regret its decision NOT to renew DUNGEON and DRAGON magazines, as a lot of fans are going to be turned off by that kind of thing, (I know I am).
I'll second that!
But, I'm with those who plan on "following the talent", and want to know how to transfer my subscription to Pathfinder so that I don't miss an issue!
Also, where do I find out what is going to happen with my subscription that goes past issue 150?
You should probably both check out the transition page.
So, now when I subscribe month to month, do I out i the number of months I want issues for, say "12", Or am I going to get 12 copies of issue #1 if I do that?
If I understand correctly you will get 12 copies of issue #1.
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Here are some points to condier about Pathfinder:• Each volume is a perfect-bound book with a cardstock cover and a much thicker quality of paper. It will be _much_ more durable than a magazine.
• Unlike the magazines, Pathfinder's content will not be subsidized by ads, resulting in more content for you.
• Pathfinder will include content similar to that found in both Dragon and Dungeon. It's perhaps more accurate to say that it is a replacement for both magazines, rather than a replacement for just Dungeon.
But yeah, Pathfinder is more expensive than Dragon and Dungeon. There's no getting away from that. We believe it will be a higher-quality product and we think it will be more than worth the price. A better comparison in terms of value is probably a product like WotC's "Red Hand of Doom."
I just heard about Dungeon's and Dragon's end to be from a friend of mine who I hadn't met in months before. Odd that these are the news which made him send me an sms...
I feel as dumbfounded as everyone else here. My first reaction was: too late for an april's joke. This can't be true!
My second reaction: Who will create all the original D&D content from now on - the one that shows up in books like the Complete Series of WotC... Which WotC book didn't sport Dragon as a source?!
My third reaction: Pathfinder will hopefully not only include the adventure path, but some of the other information (ecologies, visits to FR, Eberron etc.), too ...
And this is my question: Does Paizo still have a D&D licence (like e.g. the publisher of Kingdoms of Kalamar)?
I'll definitely subscribe to Pathfinder, it sounds promising. I just hope that it will still "feel" like a periodical, i.e. sport reader content (reader mail section), will have a look at what is out there on the market, and offer new rule content, too. Hopefully it will still have a look of its own on D&D (i.e. sport D&D content).
I am a Dungeon/ Dragon reader since the age of 15.
P.S.
"Red Hand of Doom" is my favourite WotC adventure so far, but it is only an adventure path without any further benefit.
Pathfinder would have to be more than that, though, in order to keep up with its predecessors.
The one thing I will miss quite a bit (besides the names) from the old mags compared to Pathfinder is information related to the OOP settings. Campaign Classics articles and articles connected to old modules such as the Isle of Dread was a big factor in my buying of the mags, Dungeon in particular.
Havard
Wow....what a kick in the teeth. I've bought TSR magazines for my FLGS since the Strategic Review days (Dragon's predecessor) and subscribed/bought Dungeon from the start. It really hurts to see them go the way of Steve Jackson's Pyramid magazine. I stopped getting that particular publication after about four or five on-line issues, because it just didn't feel the same as the old print version.
I'll give the on-line publication a chance, but it better knock my socks off.
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“Today the internet is where people go to get this kind of information,” said Scott Rouse, Senior Brand Manager of Dungeons & Dragons®, Wizards of the Coast. “By moving to an online model we are using a delivery system that broadens our reach to fans around the world. Paizo has been a great partner to us over the last several years. We wish them well on their future endeavors.”
BULLs#&*, BULLs#&*, BULLs#&*.
I, for one, cannot stand being forced to read gaming content on the internet. That's why I print out Dungeon's Web Enhancements and purchase BOOKS from WotC.
And most people who go to the internet for content, get it for free. If Wizards thinks they're going to get as many web subscribers as Paizo has DUNGEON and DRAGON subscribers, they're in for a rude awakening.
This is ridiculous.
And this is also is completely ignoring the point that Not only did those magazines provide origional content FAR beyond the caliber of WoTC regular writers (not including the ones they pluck from Paizo), but they were pretty much an add for all D&D content. Really, would any of us even CONSIDER getting something like Magic of the Incarnum or Three Dragon Ante if Paizo was not there to explain why it DOSEN'T suck? Furthermore they were publications that allowed young writers and DMs to share their ideas ona trully grand scale. Because Wizards can't be so stupid as the think a website for gaming will get as much coverage as a magazine. I seen Dungeon and Dragon even at Borders and other news stands/bookstores. How many people will be check out the website for D&D content outside of the devoted fans, how many will even KNOW about it? And what about Dork Tower, Nordwick, my god... what about DOWNER!?!?
I'm syaing allthis to be bitter, but it's just... I can't make sence of it. Its just so wrong.
Sigh.
Still, I will try to look foward to Pathfinder when it comes out...
Oh and James, this dosen't give you an out from posting Tyralandi's campaign journals, I'm still going look forward to their updates, as haphazard as the may be.
OK, So with the transition I get the first issue of PATHFINDER. (I only had 3 issues left on my DUNGEON subscription past issue 150). How do I add months to my PATHFINDER subscription? Will I need to get on line each month and add them one at a time?
Also, I hope that toward the end of the adventure path PATHFINDER runs some stand alone lower level adventures in issues. The fact that each issue of DUNGEON had an adventure for each level range was a great feature. I just hope someone doesn't pick up a copy of PATHFINDER late in the AP series and say "An adventure for 18th level characters?...hmmm my group are all 10th level I'll pass.
Although I guess that those "in the know" will be getting the adventure paths from the start so that won't be an issue. I just hope that it doesn't cause people to turn away that didn't catch the front end of the train, kind of like people that hear the TV show LOST is cool, but missed the first two seasons and can't get caught up with it now...
PATHFINDER has so much potential. I really hope it does well.
ASEO
Wow. My birthday brings shocking news. I am looking forward to Pathfinder though.
Long live Paizo!
Having not been a subscriber for a couple of years now, my disappointment in the move is less deep than many others; nevertheless, the concept of 'brand recognition' must have been lost to WoTC/Hasbro for them to pull a venerable product without as much as a sniff of what "improvements" are on the way for it.
For myself and many, WoTC has been a barely-average 'keeper of the D&D rights', in the same vein as how Denethor sat over Gondor, coveting the tradition and power of the seat, even as the people waited generations and ages for the return of the King.
WoTC has begun the march to its own pyre; consumers are calling for a King to take back the brand.
I see a repetition for WoTC of what happened to TSR in the 80's - loss of brand power and stagnation of the product line until they sell it off. I see them launching 4.0 to try and "restart" the brand; it will fail.
If I were a rich man, I would organize an investment group and offer to buy the D&D brand from WoTC to either stand as its own company or sell it outright, in total, to Paizo.
I'm not a rich man. I've relied on friends' copies of scanned .pdf's to enter the age of 3.0/3.5 d20 rules. I've always run my own material for the past three decades- until Paizo started the AP series. Until then, I haven't purchased a published adventure/module - ever.
I've always felt a small measure of guilt over the years for not financially supporting the game, by buying anything other than the three core rulebooks...
If anything, I can thank WoTC for removing any guilt I've ever had for not buying much from them. From now on, I'll use my pirated supplemental books proudly and continue to ridicule every sad attempt they make to squeeze cash out of the brand.
If we're all lucky, D&D as a brand will falter just enough for WoTC to sell it to a publisher dedicated to the gaming community like Paizo, where it will rise again and flourish. What is more likely is that D&D will morph into something less than what we've had before, where it will linger until WoTC management changes or someone with enough money buys the brand and returns it back to the gaming community some years from now.
I'm not holding my breath - I'm happy with the materials I have in hand and will be gaming for many years without spending a penny at the WoTC website.
When I have pennies to spend, I'll be buying from Paizo.
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Will Paizo be using any OGL content from other publishers such as Green Ronin, Necromancer, et al in Pathfinder?Yes. Currently, the Advanced Bestiary, Book of Fiends, and Tome of Horrors I are all in easy reach on my desk, for example.
Something I loved most about both magazines was that you had a range of sourcebooks you could use blindly in combination with Dragon and Dungeon.
My wish: Could you make a list of OGL rule expansion books and monster manuals (e.g. Tome of Horror I - III, Advanced Bestiary, etc.) as default ressources? That would be splendid. I really hate adventures which only further inflate the number of monsters already in existance...
Also, will new creatures, spells and other stuff introduced in Pathfinder be released for third-party use under the OGL?Absolutely. Pathfinder's an OGL product, and while we'll likely retain product identity on the flavor stuff, the crunch is all open.
As I wrote above: Any addition should make sense. Dragon and Dungeon lately showed the way it should be like: clever use of D&D PrC and rules, new additions only where necessary.
As I wrote above: Is there no way to keep a D&D licence?
There is this company out there which publishes a campaign setting of their own, but make use of all the D&D rule content published by WotC.
(-> Kingdoms of Kalamar).
Greetings,
Günther
Hmmm... Still having some problems with the PATHFINDER subscription. I started to subscribe and was labled as a charter subscriber, then when I realized that you can only subscribe to the first single issue...which I'm getting as a continuation of my DUNGEON dubscription, I removed the initial subscription for that issue since I was getting it anyway. So how do I extend my subscription beyond issue 1?
Maybe my confusion stems from the stunned daze that this announcement put me in...
ASEO out
Another question...
Are WoTC now saying that DUNGEON and DRAGON will be online resources that can be accessed, for free, through their website?
I'm not sure. Nowhere have I seen WotC actually say that Dragon and Dungeon will be online. Instead, I see comments akin to "WotC will be moving the kind of content currently found in those magazines to an online model."
I had always thought there were alreasy doing that with some pretty fine articles, background flavor, and occasional adventure seed. Will they expand that?
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My understanding of what is happening...
WotC has cut off a very creative source for their D&D brand in an attempt to bring that success and profit in-house.
Paizo, due to non-competes or concern about their relationship with WotC, has abandoned the magazine model (for now) and gone to a more polished, coherently themed and expensive monthly book - Pathfinder.
All future Paizo products will be based on OGL, will use some third party OGL, and will contribute, in some form, OGL content.
Predictions for the future....
Paizo will provide a rallying point (and possibly a campaign world) for the marginalized OGL publishers, and a slick entry point for gamers who may have shied away from the OGL-only content until now. WotC will find itself with much more serious competition than Dungeon and Dragon. While I appreciate what WotC has done for this hobby in the past, they just blew up Dantuine.
Paizo and its partner companies will still be recognized as the prime training ground for the next generation of RPG writers and developers.
The writers who previously contributed to Paizo and now find themselves without a home will find writing for OGL much more desirable and support that end of the hobby even more.
Anything Erik, James, Lisa and all the others at Paizo touch will shine. Thanks for providing so many years of a keystone for a hobby that is completely unique.
EDIT: Oh, and thanks Chris Thomasson for starting them on the "path"...
Man, you go off the boards for a couple of months and come back to find your favourite magazines are going the way of the THAC0.
I'm really sad to see Dungeon and Dragon magazines go, I hoped to get published in there someday.
Thanks for all the good games Paizo. My players loved the Challenge of Champions series, were thoroughly creeped out by "Deep Freeze" in Dungeon 82 (The first Dungeon Adventure I ran) and totally tore through "The Stink" in Dungeon 105 like it was childs play.
They are going to be playing in a new campaign with Deepwatch as their homebase, and the Abandoned Fortress as their first dungeon.
Soon they will meet their first Grippli, the stats of which I'll be finding in Dragon magazine.
I enjoyed the Darksun conversion, I'll always remember playing the last gnome on Athas. I'll remember "Within The Circle" in Dungeon 130 fondly, because my Lawful Evil Scorpion Clan halfling failed to find a buyer for goblin baby slaves.
Someday I will run a "Law and Order: Sharn Watch" game, and feature your classic Eberron adventures "Chimes at Midnight" and "Murder at Oakbridge".
Right now though I have to finish the Shackled City Adventure Path, where right now I have to resolve splitting my 8+ player pool in two and running the two groups in the city simultaneously and concurrently. Its one of those problems that you don't mind having when you're having this much fun.
I'll miss reading the comics, some issues of Dragon I bought for Nodwick and OotS alone.
While I'm sad to see the end of my favourite mags, I'm excited about Pathfinder. I can't wait to see the world you guys build, and the new adventures to be enjoyed. I've been buying less and less D&D stuff as time goes on, but I'm sure Pathfinder will find its way onto my shelf every issues.
To everyone who has worked on, contributed to or edited Dungeon and Dragon thanks for the commitment to excellence. I hope to see that level in your future endeavours.
Praise Paizo!
Someday I will run a "Law and Order: Sharn Watch" game, and feature your classic Eberron adventures "Chimes at Midnight" and "Murder at Oakbridge".
Would there be courtroom scenes?
I've been planning my CSI:Sharn campaign for some time now, but the addition of court drama would be cool.Tune in right after "Are you smarter than a Warforged?".
Dungeon has been the prime reason I still game. For the past 20 years I've used it to entertain 40+ players, introduce newbies to DM'ing, and to add flavour to my own campaigns. I'd come to rely upon Dungeon so much so that any given campaign is now 80+% Dungeon content. Seeing it go (as well as Dragon for the additional flavour) truly saddens me.
I can honestly say this will impact our frequency of gaming. Reading an adventure was something I could fit into my schedule; creating them is another thing. Plus, I loved the quality of Dungeon's offerings.
I won't be purchasing any online content/mag from WotC. I don't have internet access at home (live in the country), so it's not an option. Less gaming means less purchases of figurines & other WotC products.
Thank you Eric Mona (and Paizo staff), for your patient replies regarding this change. My first reaction was to get backissues for my remaining subscription credit & cut loose, but I'm rethinking that. While Pathfinder's price initially scared me off, I may give it a go...especially if it means supporting Paizo itself. It's not like I'm spending more...I'll just take the subscription price to Pathfinder out of what I would've spent on WotC products.
I guess the move to online content was inevitable, but for someone like me who doesn't have internet access (besides at work) & loves the feel of a magazine in their hands, well, I don't have to like it.
J-
For myself and many, WoTC has been a barely-average 'keeper of the D&D rights', in the same vein as how Denethor sat over Gondor, coveting the tradition and power of the seat, even as the people waited generations and ages for the return of the King.
WoTC has begun the march to its own pyre; consumers are calling for a King to take back the brand.
So true, brother, so true ...
Le roi est mort! Vive le roi!
WoTC has been a barely-average 'keeper of the D&D rights', in the same vein as how Denethor sat over Gondor, coveting the tradition and power of the seat, even as the people waited generations and ages for the return of the King.
Wizards deserves credit for a brilliant rewriting of the rules with 3.0. Nothing better has happened to the game since its inception. Thank god(s) for the technical proficiency of Wizards demonstrated in that transformation.
Unfortunately, they seem much less proficient at providing inspiring stories and ideas in the way Paizo has. A rule set is nice, but its been the brilliant creative flourishes in the Paizo magazines that has kept me wanting to play D&D.
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Losing Dungeon and Dragon truly sucks, but I'm definitely in on Pathfinder. Paizo always publishes high-quality material, and you can tell from staff responses here on the boards and elsewhere that they pay serious attention to their customers' comments and concerns. I've already sent my gaming group the address for the Pathfinder blog so they can take a look to let me know if they want to play through it!
My eyes just about popped out of my head when I saw that announcement. What a colossal waste by WotC. Definitely a non-gamer running the show over there.
These Paizo guys have done alright by me, so I'll definitely keep sending them my money. I already transferred my subscription over to Pathfinder. I really enjoy RHoD, so getting that kind of book monthly in my mailbox sounds awesome! I'm doubly pleased that my subscription transition is covering the whole 1st AP of 6 issues!
Greyhawk in Paizo hands would be very cool. Since WoTC doesn't plan to really pursue that CS, why not let Paizo do something with it? WoTC gets money from Paizo in that kind of situation, right?
Dude, denial ain't just a river in Egypt.Haha April Fools we get it...now get back to work!
The best thing in D&D is gone. Ouch. I don't know what else to say.
Wiz_Os are starting shizt?!
Woops, replied to the wrong post.
I guess WOTC thinks they can go the way of Star Wars "Hyperspace" where people will just blindly fork over money hoping for content to justify the monthly recurring charges.
Yeah, I don't think so.
I don't think Pathfinder is the right product for me. I am only a casual D&D fan and the price point for Dungeon was right, considering I'll likely never run a game of D&D again. Pathfinder, while I love Paizo and its staff and contributors (and message board family), is simply more than I'm willing to pay. Its more product than I need, as well.
But I'm holding out that Paizo will publish other genres: I'd be willing to entertain contributing content for super-hero or sci-fi games.
OK, I figured out the billing for PATHFINDER. They deduct from you card each month so your subscription never expires...cool
ASEO out
OK, I figured out the billing for PATHFINDER. They deduct from you card each month so your subscription never expires...cool
ASEO out
That's a cool option for folks without a game store in convenient distance. I'll try Pathfinder too- but I'm going to buy it from my FLGS, just to make sure they carry it after Dungeon and Dragon die.
Still mad.
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The one thing I will miss quite a bit (besides the names) from the old mags compared to Pathfinder is information related to the OOP settings. Campaign Classics articles and articles connected to old modules such as the Isle of Dread was a big factor in my buying of the mags, Dungeon in particular.
Same here.
DUNGEON and DRAGON are dead. Long live DUNGEON and DRAGON!
Eh, I'll be checking out PATHFINDER, and if it isn't what I'd like it to be, I will merely cancel my month-to-month subscription and move on.
I'll chime in with the those who find this a crushing loss. I looked forward to each issue as a bright point in my month. I hope Paizo considers publishing something a bit more a la Dungeon, with several one-shot adventures rather than one huge one.
That said, I could live with a Mythos-esque AP book a la the Styes... any chance the new world has room for an area that would cater to that?
Man, I'm still really bummed about the news. The thing about these magazines is that the door is literally always open. One of the things I learned while trying to become an illustrator is that in the editorial market (magazines and books) the door is always open to new talent: if a young author/artist is persistent and continues to try and improve themselves, there will eventually be work for them. Look at esteemed Dungeon authors like Nicolas Logue, Richard Pett, Greg Vaughan and Steve Greer. Their work with Dungeon has lead to other things, with other companies, be it Wizards of the Coast or Goodman Games or whomever. Dungeon and Dragon were not only good to their fans; they were good to their contributors. The fact that Paizo staffers from editors, to art directors, to the website operators to the CEO herself post on the forums regularly, interact with their consumers and are always willing to answer direct questions is amazing for a company in the present day. Brand loyalty isn't just about loving the product: it's about loving the people that make that product. I feel like I know the folks that work at Paizo, even if we rarely directly interact. I can't say the same about a lot of other publishers.
I hope you guys manage to get the Greyhawk license and I hope Pathfinder does really well. I will be contributing to your continued success in any way possible.
Ouch. I'm stunned and unable to parry.
I've been subscribed to Dungeon since #19, even when I wasn't playing D&D it was still fun to read. Kudos to everyone who's worked on Dungeon, from Barbara Young in the beginning to James Jacobs and the Paizo crew today. You produced a magazine that just kept getting better. To have quality yanked in favour of ... insubstantial plans ... seems very short-sighted. Perhaps WotC's module sales haven't been good...
With the quality of modules that have been coming out of Paizo, I'll certainly be trying Pathfinder.
A few thoughts on Pathfinder:
- Greyhawk - yes, please try to get the license!
- I'm really not sure I have the energy for yet another campaign world.
- Ads - ads aren't necessarily a bad thing, they keep the price down, and they keep people like me informed on products that are out there.
- Comics - I hope you keep having comics. Go OotS!
- I was hoping for more Maure Castle. Maybe you can just call it Eruam Castle?
Best Wishes,
Steve
I can't speak for my cohorts, but my love affair with Greyhawk predates my professional gaming career by more than a decade, and will continue until they put me in a casket. James, Jason, and I just co-wrote "Expedition to the Ruins of Castle Greyhawk" for WotC, which will be releasing in August.
I am on record at WotC as being extremely interested in a Greyhawk license or licensing opportunities related to that property. So we'll see what happens.
I hope you can continue to work on Greyhawk products. After moving away from my Greyhawk group for family and careers reasons in 2005, Dungeon magazine has been my only link to Greyhawk. I have truly appreciated the Paizo staff's hard work and determination toward giving Greyhawk a place to continue to grow.
I plan on using my remaining subscription to buy back issues of your wonderful magazine.
If it doesn't say Greyhawk or Paizo...... I don't think I will be purchasing it. So I guess WotC will get some of my money when EttRoCG comes out but after that, I am not sure.
I am deeply saddened but also glad that Paizo's success in the past will bring them even more in the future. Thank You for a great magazine that gave me my D&D, Greyhawk fix everymonth for the past two years.
Hiya guys
Well, I'm just as shocked as the rest of you. I've only been with Dungeon since the final installment of the Age of Worms (It looks that good, I booked up through my newsagents straight away, so I didn't miss the next one), but still I love my 100-page monthly read.
However, I have hopes that Pathfinder will fill my void. I'm not going to get involved in what I consider 'virtual uprisings', like some others ('I plan to boycott Wizards until they give me my magazine back!' It's a business, and we don't fully understand their reasons, yet. Plus, it seems unlikely that we'll get the magazine back any time soon, so you'll be waiting for a while). I'll just wait and see what happens over the next few weeks, and keep my ears and eyes open.
Chris
I am thoroughly disgruntled over the loss of Dragon and Dungeon, but I'm excited about the possibilities that Pathfinder offers. I've done the transition and will get a couple of Pathfinder volumes before I start paying the monthly subscription price, and I'm really hoping that it lives up to its potential. Paizo, you've earned my trust and my business, and you're keeping it (until and unless you give me reason to go elsewhere).
By the way, when I went through the transition process, something was mentioned about being a Charter Subscriber, which I've seen by some people's names and not others (such as my own). Two questions: 1) Are there any specific perks for this nifty title?; 2) Was this reserved for the folks who got on the bandwagon the day of the announcement?
Why would WOTC do this?
Well, I'm old enough to know what when everyone's wondering why, the answer is: Money.
Not sure how this translates directly here though. I'm thinking WOTC was envious of all the advertising $$$$ that Paizo was earning and decided to try and make their own money off the content.
I also think that it was an idiotic decision.
Granted, all this is speculation, since I am not privvy to WOTCs baord rooms, but what we know is:
- WOTC decided NOT to renew the license.
- Online content sucks.
- WOTC F'd up.
Like someone else had mentioned, I'm following the talent. I'm sticking with Paizo and will be buying Pathfinder products.
I am thoroughly disgruntled over the loss of Dragon and Dungeon, but I'm excited about the possibilities that Pathfinder offers. I've done the transition and will get a couple of Pathfinder volumes before I start paying the monthly subscription price, and I'm really hoping that it lives up to its potential. Paizo, you've earned my trust and my business, and you're keeping it (until and unless you give me reason to go elsewhere).
By the way, when I went through the transition process, something was mentioned about being a Charter Subscriber, which I've seen by some people's names and not others (such as my own). Two questions: 1) Are there any specific perks for this nifty title?; 2) Was this reserved for the folks who got on the bandwagon the day of the announcement?
The Charter Subscriber title is for those of us who sign up for month-to-month subscriptions to Pathfinder before the first issue is launched. Charter members will receive a special guide to the new AP.
Meh.
I've decided that Paizo always was better with choosing products and writers than WotC.
Instead of griping (much) about the magazine's passing, I'll just be glad that Paizo will still have adventures published by the authors we loved from Dungeon.
(Though now I'll never have anything in Dungeon magazine. Neither will hundreds of others. Such a shame.)
Here's WOTC's response.
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/dnd/20070420a
I read that a little while ago and I encourage all of you who are "following the talent" and insist thatthe best writers work for Paizo and not WotC to read it as well.
I'm looking forward to my Pathfinder issues, but I do believe Dungeon and Dragon are in good hands. That doesn't mean I'm excited about them being online only. And it sure as the nine hells doesn't mean I'd payfor them.
the threads on this topic have balkanised and split all over the place. I just posted this on a thread called "doesn't help" but this seems to be the dominant thread on the topic.
It seems that Dungeon and Dragon are going to be produced by WotC after all. There is mention of plans for the future of the magazines.
There are also names we know and trust who have added their names to a list of WotC staff and writers who say there is some good to come of all this. Thank you Wizards for finally taking some time to make your position clear by using the names we know.
Why was this not the first thing we saw?
Why did we get a soulless silence from the Wizards forums?
Why did Scott Rouse put up such a curt and opaque announcement and open himself and the company to attack?
Don't !@#$ with brand loyalty. No good ever comes of it.
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Not big poster on forum environments, but here's my thoughts.
This is horse s*%t!
Every month for the past few years I have trundled down the local hobby retailer and purchased my Dungeon & Dragons magazines. I have to admit it was the adventure path that got my loyalty and the rest gravy.
Now I'll be doing the same for Pathfinder.
Nice to see how Wizards deals with competition.
Maybe when they rise to the occasion and release regular source material of Dungeon & Dragon magazine quality, I'll put in a standing order.
Until then, make mine Pathfinder please.
Good luck Eric & Co.
I suppose I always knew this day would come, but not with such sudden shockingness and not when both DUNGEON and DRAGON were at their best. I've subscribed to Dragon since issue #58 (and have a couple of earlier issues). My kids were brought up in the game and now their kids are starting to play. There was so much more to both magazines than just adventure paths. Maybe the future for RPG lies on-line, but nothing beats the arrival of one of these fine magazines in the mail. It's like having two close friends suddenly die.