Hi, here i am to harass you guys once again. Obviously most people would like to see all old creatures updated to 3rd edition. Now, along with my other dragon fanatics, these two seriously need published and since WOTC doesn't seem to want to bother with it..... you should. The Yellow Dragon (Faerun based, not the once in your compendium, there were two varieties) and the Cloud Dragon. Also, where are the rest of the Linnorms??? Why did they only print three and leave the rest out? Anyways, lets get the others back in action. Also, the so-called true neutrals Amber, Jade, Jacinith, Moonstone, and Pearl. How about the Electrum Dragon from Forgotten Realms as well? That's about all I can remember, they all were mainly present in 2nd editions Monstrous Manual and the annual compendiums, i figure they got the most exposure but i could be wrong. Just seeing if anybody else agrees and post opinions. If the Dragon guys read, please take into consideration because I speak for many (and you've heard from me before hehe) Thanks
ND
Hi, here i am to harass you guys once again. Obviously most people would like to see all old creatures updated to 3rd edition. Now, along with my other dragon fanatics, these two seriously need published and since WOTC doesn't seem to want to bother with it..... you should. The Yellow Dragon (Faerun based, not the once in your compendium, there were two varieties) and the Cloud Dragon. Also, where are the rest of the Linnorms??? Why did they only print three and leave the rest out? Anyways, lets get the others back in action. Also, the so-called true neutrals Amber, Jade, Jacinith, Moonstone, and Pearl. How about the Electrum Dragon from Forgotten Realms as well? That's about all I can remember, they all were mainly present in 2nd editions Monstrous Manual and the annual compendiums, i figure they got the most exposure but i could be wrong. Just seeing if anybody else agrees and post opinions. If the Dragon guys read, please take into consideration because I speak for many (and you've heard from me before hehe) Thanks
ND
I agree with this statement. I would like to see more converted dragons from 2E in the anniversary issue of Dragon Magazine.
Electrum Dragon is one I'd like to see or an article detailing more Linnorm dragons is another (I remember there being a Land Linnorm, Flame, Forest, and couple more).
Of course, an article with Amber, Jade, Jacinith, Moonstone, and Pearl is one I'd like to see the most.
weren't there a whole bunch of dragons from 2E? yeah, it would be pretty cool to see them come back...
which one is going to be the Dragon-theme issue? Dragon #356?
oh yeah, to name just a few, you're forgetting... the Spelljammer dragons (Sun, Moon, Stellar, Radiant), Brine Dragon (MCA2), Ferrous Dragons plus a bunch of others from Dragon magazine...
Hi, here i am to harass you guys once again. Obviously most people would like to see all old creatures updated to 3rd edition. Now, along with my other dragon fanatics, these two seriously need published and since WOTC doesn't seem to want to bother with it..... you should. The Yellow Dragon (Faerun based, not the once in your compendium, there were two varieties) and the Cloud Dragon. Also, where are the rest of the Linnorms??? Why did they only print three and leave the rest out?
The Storm Drake from Drconomicon is the 3e cloud dragon. We'll have to learn to accept the lack of age categories. The rest of the linnorms would be a VERY nice addition, though; I'm with you 100% on that.
Wow really? I did not know that. I know sometimes the creatures get name changes just likes spells etc, but that really kinda sucks. I don't know if I can accept the storm drake as the Cloud Dragon. Craziness. Well good to see everybody wants the linnorms as well. Speaking of age categories, I really wish ALL LINNORMS kept theres, maybe the first three should be republished with the missing ones with their age categories. Me thinks that would be better :D
Nemesis
Off the subject of this thread but if anybody reads this, if you are registered to the WotC website, go to the Forgotten Realms Forum under Classes, Races, and Monsters and find the Yellow Dragon thread. Please read that thread and post your opinion or vote. Mr. Eytan Bernstein is questioning whether or not to make a web enhancement for Dragons of Faerun which would include the Yellow Dragon, and possibly the Electrum or Cloud etc (whatever other one(s). That's about it, thank you.
NemesisDragon ;)
For those who don't know yet, over it EN World Shade started a dragon conversion thread with several people involved (including me) and posted the completed dragons at this Creature Catalog true dragon conversions. So far we've done jacinth, maztican, cobra, and ichthyodrake, and pink is up right now. It's just a matter of time as to when these will be sent as a query. Someone just said that the ferrous dragons will be in Dragon #356.
The Storm Drake from Draconomicon is the 3e cloud dragon. We'll have to learn to accept the lack of age categories.
I hope not, and that despite the practically identical abilites with the 1e/2e cloud dragon that it is a different dragon and that "cloud dragon" is just a confusing junior synonym for storm drake (much like "moonstone dragon" should be a junior synonym for the ethereal dragon). If they are one and the same, I expect someone to give them the phaerimm treatment: it had only a single age category in the 3.0 Monsters of Faerûn and was updated with six age categories in the 3.5 Monsters of Faerûn Web Enhancement for the Player's Guide to Faerûn. I support this move for the hellfire wyrm in Monster Manual II as well, because it is listed as the planar dragon of Baator in the latest planar dragon article and is the only lesser dragon there. Based on the fact that at Todd Lockwood's website there's a picture of a "hellfire dragon" that was intended for a magazine cover (Dragon?) and which is a dead ringer for his hellfire wyrm, I suspect that it was meant to be a true dragon at first but then got nerfed; and then the fiendish dragons showed up in Dragon #300.
Ferrous Dragons
wait - what was that again?
I just heard that from a fiend of a fiend...
You heard it from Jason, huh? Or do you know other fiends? :D
Yes, I heard it from Jason. Jason is the only fiend I know. There's no fiend like Ja—wait... if I say his name three times I might invoke his presence here. D:
You say that like it's a bad thing. ;)
I am excited about the Ferrous Dragons. Can't wait for my issue next month to come in the mail. Though one issue, one day, should have an article updating some Linnorms.
I like the Linnorms WITHOUT age categories. They're primeval dragons, pretty much a step down the evolutionary chain from true dragons. I would rather have them with no age categories. It's easier, more compact, and it makes sense.
I do agree, however, that the Linnorms should be very powerful, CR 15 and up, because of this.
I like the Linnorms WITHOUT age categories. They're primeval dragons, pretty much a step down the evolutionary chain from true dragons. I would rather have them with no age categories. It's easier, more compact, and it makes sense.
I do agree, however, that the Linnorms should be very powerful, CR 15 and up, because of this.
Thanks, Razz. I'm with you 100% on those critters. I really liked the MM2 treatment of them, and can only hope for an equal (or better) conversions for the rest of them for 3.5e.
Well, I will still vote with age categories. It will give you more choices to battle the beast. I just can't imagine a trojanda with age categories and not a Linnorm. But if I remember correctly, the Dread and Midgard were single beast. However, I would like to see them either way. Even without the ages, i suppose you can always adjust them like any other creatures. If that is the course however, I agree with Razz, high level, and make sure all the abilities up to the great wyrm stage are included. So count me in, that would be very good and very cool. If the ferrous dragons do make it into a near issue, I think that is very rad and thank you all for that.
Yep; I just heard about Steel Dragons in Dragons of Faerun; never heard of the book myself; is this 3.5? You would think with all the dragon around they (and you know who THEY are) would just have one dragon sourcebook, but no; that would be to practical.
Dragons of Faerûn is a 3.5 book, and it includes the most current stats for the mercury and mist dragons as well; all three new dragons first appeared on the now defunct Monster Mayhem column at Wizards' D&D website (by Skip Williams with Sean K. Reynolds), here, here, and here. It might also interest you that the Greyhawk dragon (which according to canon is the original name of the steel dragon as it was named after the city of Greyhawk on the world of Oerth) also appeared in Dragon #339 with different CRs.
Just wanted to chime in again, not knowing if the last issue or two is set for sure. DRAGONS GUYS, I WANT DRAGONS LOL. Thank You.
P.S. You have my email i'm sent, I'm sure of it ;)