Multiple Basic Spellcasting feats

[marcopico]

I apologise if this question was raised before, but I couldn't find any answer with the search function.

What if my rogue first took the Sorcerer Basic Dedication, with the Basic Sorcerer Spellcasting feat at level 4, and then also took the Basic Eldritch Archer Spellcasting feat later?

Would he stick to the cantrips and spells he has from the Sorcerer Dedication (therefore making the second spellcasting feat worthless) or would he get two sets of cantrips and spells from the two separate dedications?

[Castilliano]

You get what the feats say you get.
Having the other feat doesn't prevent that, so yes, you'd get two separate sets of abilities.

Well, not completely separate in that taking the same Cantrip twice doesn't let you have two Light spells active at the same time, for example. It'd be the same Cantrip just accessed through two different routes, so a waste.

[marcopico]

Castilliano wrote:

You get what the feats say you get.

Having the other feat doesn't prevent that, so yes, you'd get two separate sets of abilities.

Well, not completely separate in that taking the same Cantrip twice doesn't let you have two Light spells active at the same time, for example. It'd be the same Cantrip just accessed through two different routes, so a waste.

So that would actually mean you have two different lists of spells... hmm, I wonder if that's what the developers meant. I've ready you can never take more than 1 multiclass archetype, but so far no other archetypes allowed to take spells, so you were automatically limited to 1 list.

Now, with the Eldritch Archer, you could be a rogue with sorcerer spells and Eldritch Archer spells. Quite odd, actually.

[Gisher]

marcopico wrote:

Castilliano wrote:

You get what the feats say you get.

Having the other feat doesn't prevent that, so yes, you'd get two separate sets of abilities.

Well, not completely separate in that taking the same Cantrip twice doesn't let you have two Light spells active at the same time, for example. It'd be the same Cantrip just accessed through two different routes, so a waste.

So that would actually mean you have two different lists of spells... hmm, I wonder if that's what the developers meant. I've ready you can never take more than 1 multiclass archetype, but so far no other archetypes allowed to take spells, so you were automatically limited to 1 list.

Now, with the Eldritch Archer, you could be a rogue with sorcerer spells and Eldritch Archer spells. Quite odd, actually.

There isn't a restriction on the number of Multiclass Archetypes you can take other than the usual requirement that you take three MC feats before the next dedication. And Half-elves with Multitalented can get around that once.

There is a restriction that you can only take one Class Archetype, but there aren't any of those yet. I'm guessing that you got Multiclass Archetypes confused with Class Archetypes.

[mrspaghetti]

marcopico wrote:

So that would actually mean you have two different lists of spells... hmm, I wonder if that's what the developers meant. I've read you can never take more than 1 multiclass archetype, but so far no other archetypes allowed to take spells, so you were automatically limited to 1 list.

Now, with the Eldritch Archer, you could be a rogue with sorcerer spells and Eldritch Archer spells. Quite odd, actually.

Not sure what you mean. Even in the CRB you could take multiple archetypes that would give you access to different spell lists. E.g., a wizard could take a druid dedication and later a cleric dedication and have arcane, primal and divine spells.

[breithauptclan]

Castilliano wrote:

You get what the feats say you get.

Having the other feat doesn't prevent that, so yes, you'd get two separate sets of abilities.

Yeah. That.

So assuming that you don't pick the same cantrips or other spells known...

Sorcerer dedication would give you a spell repertoire and two cantrips. Basic sorcerer spellcasting would give you some spells known and spell slots to cast them from.

Eldritch Archer dedication would give you one more cantrip from the same spell list you use as a sorcerer. So then you would have three cantrips. Basic Eldritch Archer spellcasting would give you some additional spells known and more spell slots to cast them from.

It does seem that you are doubling up a bit. You are spending feats to get more of the lower level spells. Not a terrible option if you are wanting to increase the amount of magic you are using. Though feats like Bloodline Breadth may be more cost effective for that. Pick one of the archetypes to gain your spells through and use the other archetype only for its other abilities.

[marcopico]

breithauptclan wrote:

It does seem that you are doubling up a bit. You are spending feats to get more of the lower level spells. Not a terrible option if you are wanting to increase the amount of magic you are using. Though feats like Bloodline Breadth may be more cost effective for that. Pick one of the archetypes to gain your spells through and use the other archetype only for its other abilities.

Yes, you are correct. Actually, you don't really get a lot in terms of spells, just a few more cantrips. Thanks everybody for your help and clarifications!