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Who's the Greatest?


D&D 3.5/d20/OGL

Cheliax

Silly conversation topic, but I'm interested to hear the answers nonetheless. Who are the greastest representatives of each class from each campaign world? It's something my players ask me often about Greyhawk, and I try to answer them the best that I may.

So how about it? Who are the greatest?


Warduke.
That's all.
Just Warduke.

Osirion

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber

I'd like to say that I think Riverwind (from Dragonlance) was one of the best barabrians ever. He did the rage thing, the fear and loathing of magic, the prejudice againts outsiders. What's more, he did it all well before Wulfgar came along.

Along the same lines, I think Sturm Brightblade was the quintessential stick-up-his-ass knight-type.

From Greyhawk, I think Gord is the greatest rogue. Mordenkainen is the best as far as magic user's go.

From FR, I think that Piergieron (spelling?) is the best example of a non-stick-up-the-ass paladin (yes, I believe they exist).

Anyway, that's all I can think of for now.


Raistlin is the most interesting wizard in any campaign setting, which makes him the best.

Kitiara is a great fighter; you just can't think about her and say "fighters are so vanilla."


Dragonlance - Lord Soth. Just one bad ass guy. Creepy castle? Check. Tortured past? Yep. Able to put a serious hurt on the party? Oh hell yeah.
*SPOILER*
The scene at the end of the Twins trilogy where he comes for Kitiara. CREEPY.

Dark Sun - I can't remember his name, but he was in a series of books and he was a half-elf/half-halfling and had weird multiple personalities. Very cool character.


Pathfinder Adventure Path, Campaign Setting, Companion, Modules, Pawns, Roleplaying Game, Tales Subscriber

Well, the Epic Level Handbook lists the following characters for Greyhawk:

The Cat Lord - Special Rogue (37th level). Not just the highest level rogue on Oerth, also a Neutral shapeshifter, so he makes a good paragon of druids, too, even if he lacks spellcasting. Could be the highest level non-divine being on Oerth, though it is suggested that he might indeed have divine power.
Eclavdra - Drow Cleric (23rd level). Pretty much Lolth's favorite, so she could be considered a paragon of evil clerics.
Lord Robilar - Human Fighter (24th level). Also known as Uncle on these here boards, Robilar is one of the first player characters ever in D&D. He's pretty much the role model for neutral-self serving fighters (though he is listed as lawful evil). He's also been changed a lot from how his character was in the hands of the original player. For instance, the original Robilar rode green dragons, not a metal pony.
Mordenkainen - Human Wizard (27th level). Yeah, this guy's got a lot of spells in the PH and other sources named after him. That should tell you something. In the words of the ELH, "Mordenkainen is one fo the most feared and respected living mages in the Flanaess." Mordenkainen is the sometime leader of a sometime group of mages, who include such personages as Bigby, Otto, and Tenser. Tenser's also a pretty powerful wizard (21st in the AoW AP), and one of my favorites for his pugilistic spellcasting style.

Beyond the ELH, there are some Hero deities in Greyhawk - mortals who have ascended. I guess these would qualify as the most powerful, though most of them have left the Flanaess behind for greater things:

Azor'alq, the Banisher of Darkness. A Baklunish fiendslayer who ascended more than 3,000 years ago. A good aligned god of sun and war.
Charmalaine, the Lucky Ghost. A halfling adventurer with the ability to shed her body like a ghost in order to scout around. Her exploits are the main body of her holy texts. I believe there's an artifact of hers in the Arms & Equipment Guide. A goddess of luck and protection.
Daern, the Unshakeable. She of the instant fortress. A legendary architect who constructed unassailable fortifications. As a mortal, she supposedly perished after the Battle of a Fortnight's Length, but has somehow returned as a divine being. A lawful goddess of earth and protection.
Daoud, the Mendicant. Another Baklunish god. Daoud suffered much during his mortal life before coming to terms with a philosophy he called the Path of the Seeker. A god of magic and travel.
Gadhelyn, the Archer. A robin hood-type elven deity. His description is lacking any references to his mortal life, but apparently he's been around for a long time (long enough to have been part of the "traditional Fey Mysteries." A chaotic god of animals and plants.
Gendwar Argrim, the Doomed Dwarf. Gendwar's home clan was obliterated by orcs and giants while he was traveling for an apprenticeship. He swore vengeance upon his family's killers, and launched a wildly successful campaign of genocide against orcs and giants, finally ascending after slaying a divinely ascended fire giant and her minions. A lawful god of destruction and war.
Heward. He of the handy haversack. Heward is a patron of bards, and is very accomplished in that regard. A good god of knowledge and travel.
Johydee, the Hidden Empress. Johydee tricked the evil rulers of her mortal nation into making a magical mask which she used to overthrow their hold on her people. She is a staunch freedom fighter who has no qualms with using dirty tricks for ultimately good ends. A good goddess of the mind and trickery.
Kelanen, the Prince of Swords. Probably the best-known and most popular hero-deity in the Flanaess. Obsessed with swords and keeping a balance between the alignments. His texts speak much of his work in this regard. A neutral god of travel and war.
Keoghtom, the Pulse of the Living Land. A jack of all trades, the human Keoghtom unlocked druidic and elven secrets, and the secrets of the Silent Ones, without ever actually throwing his lot in with any of the groups. A known mortal associate of Zagig Yragerne (now a demigod). A good god of knowledge and travel.
Kuroth, the Master Thief. Said to have been the greatest thief on Oerth. Sponsored to divinity by Olidammara after performing a risky quest for the Raughing Logue. Kuroth was rich beyond his wildest dreams before becoming a god, and kept up his trade only to maintain his skills and reputation. A chaotic god of luck and trickery.
Kyuss, the Bone Master. His mortal life is discussed in detail within the AoW AP. Originally a priest of Nerull. An evil god of death and pestilence.
Murlynd, the White Paladin. He of the [/i]spoon[/i]. Murlynd once helped imprison Iuz the Evil (now a demigod) for a time. He is an incessant inventor, and may have created firearms (depending on DM preferences, mostly). A lawful good god of knowledge and nobility.
Nazarn, the Gladiator. A half-orc former slave, Nazarn is a champion of gladiatorial games. He was elevated to godhood by Kord after defeating all opponents (including a green dragon) in a Hepmonaland area run by yuan-ti. A god of luck and war.
Roykyn, the Merciless. A cruel gnomish cleric of Urdlen, she turned from her faith and betrayed her own clergy to a conclave of mind flayers out of spite for her former patron because she felt he didn't give her enough recognition. Erythnul liked her style and sponsored her to divinity. An evil goddess of madness and trickery.
Tsolorandril, the Ethereal Walker. Actually a genderless native of another plane, Tsolorandril appeared mysteriously one day, taking on a role of record keeper and oracle from safe haven on the Ethereal plane. Possibly sponsored to godhood by Cyndor, Oeridian god of time. A lawful deity of knowledge and oracles.
Vathris, the Transfixed. Possibly always a god, though not the same as he was. Originally a demigod of Progress and Ingenuity, Vathris was slain more than a thousand years ago at the end of a violent, 30 year war. His priests attempted a ritual to resurrect their god, with somewhat mixed results. Their patron came back bearing horrible wounds, and obsessed with revenge. He is not evil, just bitter and driven. A lawful god of destruction and war.
Zinzerena, the Princess of the Outcasts. The only nonevil greyhawk drow deity, Zinzerena is a neutral rebel who enjoys destroying nobility, especially to gain power from their fall. A chaotic goddess of luck and trickery.

Iuz and Zagig were once mortals, though with Iuz that's a loose term. Iuz is the unholy spawn of the necromancer/lorekeeper Iggwilv (s.p.) and the demon prince Graz'zt. Zagig was once the mayor of the Free City of Greyhawk, and constructed the immense Castle Greyhawk. They've moved up the ranks faster than other hero-gods, though in Zagig's case it's more because Zagig Yragerne is a partial anagram for Ernest Gary Gygax - D&D's creator. And you thought that Mordenkainen was his game face...


A lot of opinion in play here, but I'll throw my thoughts in.
Forgotten Realms: Elminster=Wizard, Gareth Dragonsbane=Paladin (arguably you could take any of the pregenerated characters from the "Bloodstone" series and claim that they are the best reps of their classes, especially since they are the only characters in the history of DnD to have their 100th level stats printed out in an official product where applicable :)).
Greyhawk: Mordenkainen=Wizard. There were a lot of wizards, but Mordenkainen is the man. Other classes I think have more room for debate, and I am not up to speed on their 3rd edition representation.


Lord Of Threshold wrote:

Warduke.

That's all.
Just Warduke.

He's always held a special place in my heart too. I just can't get enough of fighters, they're my favorite class. The new write up on him in Dungeon magazine speaks volumes as to his popularity with others as well.

When they start to make miniatures of you, you know you've made it to the big leagues. :-)

-Roth


Mordenkainen.


I would say Iuz is the best general all around bad guy for Greyhawk; the Old Ones and the Cult of Cuthulu is the best all around major bad guys for any world.

Sturm Brightblade, I believe his name was, a Solamnic Knight from Dragonlance, was the best all around paladin character I have ever read about.

Tasslehoff being the greatest rouge in Dragonlance and Gord the greatest rouge in Greyhawke. Think Tasslhoff has the edge overall.

Lord Soth is the greatest romantic antithesis of the knight in Dragonlance; Ravenloft being this for Greyhawke; real toss up as for who is greatest overall.

Between the mages it is just to close to call, maybe Raislan has the edge because he became a diety, but between him, blackstaff, mordekainen, elmister, Tenser, Bigby; sheesh how can you call it.

I think the Harpers are the best overall pc/npc group in a world; real movers and shakers.


Cadderly Bonaduce (sp?) from Forgotten Realms was a really interesting cleric to read about. I never liked them before that series.

I would mention a few more, but I'd probably get flamed.


I'm going to be really uncool and be the first to mention He-Of-The-Two-Scimitars as greatest ranger ever. That guy single handedly made drow popular as a PC race...


Since I wasn't the first to mention that particular series, I don't feel as bad saying that I think Artemis Entreri is a good choice for the assassin class.


kahoolin wrote:
I'm going to be really uncool and be the first to mention He-Of-The-Two-Scimitars as greatest ranger ever. That guy single handedly made drow popular as a PC race...

Popular question among critics in many fields is "should we blame the original for the lame knock-offs and damage they have done?"

I think no, so Drizzt is cool. Even if when it comes to rangers, I still think Robin Hood...

Osirion

Pathfinder Adventure Path Subscriber
Sparrow wrote:

Gareth Dragonsbane=Paladin (arguably you could take any of the pregenerated characters from the "Bloodstone" series and claim that they are the best reps of their classes, especially since they are the only characters in the history of DnD to have their 100th level stats printed out in an official product where applicable :)).

Wow! I didn't know that these guys were written up as being that powerful. I just finished reading Salvatore's latest, the third book in the Entrerei/Jarlaxle trilogy. They had a monk friend of Gareth Dragonsbane whom I took to be another one of Salvatore's ridiculously over-powered, uber-character creations. They even mentioned this guy taking on 3 dragons at once and beating them. Now it seems that someone else created him.

Cheliax

So, Robilar vs. Warduke... Who's walking out of that one alive?


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David Witanowski wrote:
So, Robilar vs. Warduke... Who's walking out of that one alive?

A question only Uncle could answer in certainty.


I dont think that two bladed drow ranger is very tuff; i met him in Balder's Gate and he was a wimp whining for help against some wimpy mobs. I think several of the Harper rangers in the books are much more than he is; wasn't there a centaur ranger named Chet?


Dark Sun: Tithian.
Dragonlance: Gotta be Raistlin.
Greyhawk: Robilar, Kas, Vecna, Zagyg...brain overload!
Birthright: The Gorgon
Ravenloft: Van Richten
Real World: Me.


Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber
Lilith wrote:
Dark Sun - I can't remember his name, but he was in a series of books and he was a half-elf/half-halfling and had weird multiple personalities. Very cool character.

Sorak. Yes, very cool... I used to play Dark Sun a lot back when, and still have some of the source books... somewhere...

Silver Crusade

kahoolin wrote:
I'm going to be really uncool and be the first to mention He-Of-The-Two-Scimitars as greatest ranger ever. That guy single handedly made drow popular as a PC race...

Ok now all we need is for someone to mention Elminster and I will personally start to hand out pitch forks and torches.

I really like Dalamar (I think that is his name, Raistlin's apprentice) I thought he was a great stab-you-in-the-back prick character.

Gygax's character Gord was always my ideal rogue.

I recently read a set of Forgotten Realms novels " The Last Mythal" series. I thought the male elf that was one of the main characters was a good representation of an Elf mage. (I have forgotten his name.)

I have to say Lord Soth and Strahd are my two favourite villians of all time.


Well, F.R.: Drizzt= coolest and greatest ranger
Artemis= bastard assassin
Elminster= if you beat him then yu don't have nothing to worry against the infinite layers of the Abyss

Silver Crusade

HELLFINGER wrote:

Well, F.R.: Drizzt= coolest and greatest ranger

Artemis= bastard assassin
Elminster= if you beat him then yu don't have nothing to worry against the infinite layers of the Abyss

THATS IT TORCHES AND PTICHFORKS FOR EVERYONE!!!!

Silver Crusade

Zealot wrote:
HELLFINGER wrote:

Well, F.R.: Drizzt= coolest and greatest ranger

Artemis= bastard assassin
Elminster= if you beat him then yu don't have nothing to worry against the infinite layers of the Abyss

THATS IT TORCHES AND PTICHFORKS FOR EVERYONE!!!!

P.S. I think Salvatore is using subliminal messages.


How about some Mystara bests?

De'Ambreville - wizard (maybe the Empress of Alphatia or Bargle)?
One of the Thyatians - fighter ???

L

RPG Superstar 2011 Top 32

For GH: a coin toss between Mordenkainen and Iggwilv, if we ever get to see her official stats.

Kargoth gets the nod for nastiest warrior.

Shadow Lodge

Pathfinder Adventure Path Charter Subscriber
David Witanowski wrote:
So, Robilar vs. Warduke... Who's walking out of that one alive?

Robilar. As badass as Warduke is, he doesn't stand a chance against the Lord of Greyhawk. Gotta agree with Luz, though - Kargoth might have them both beat.

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