first they want us to all learn spanish and now they want our bounty hunter.....they can go f%!* themselves cuz thats b~*+%@%~
This man should be sent to Mexico only for his awful taste of haircuts anyway !! :))
More seriously , I have no real opinion about this , except that bounty hunter is a job I wouldn't do even for 1 million dollars...
go bounty hunter!
from across the ocean, I daresay that you guys should reassert your preminence over the neighborood a little more forcefully...
But given how things are going on these days, in a couple of decades you'll be all speaking spanish.
sad thought indeed...
(Puts on Lawful Neutral Hat)
The Mexican government takes sovereignty very seriously. We have an extradition agreement with Mexico. They just extradited a major drug kingpin to the U.S. to face trial. This appears to be quite legal, even if the emotional gut reaction is to condemn. He violated Mexican law. They went through the correct legal steps to obtain an international arrest warrant which was honored by a federal judge, who issued a federal capias in order to comply with the Mexican-U.S. extradition treaty. Yes, he arrested a rapist and brought him to proper justice, but it was against the law nevertheless. Like I said, I'm sporting my lawful neutral hat.
I predict he'll be extradited to Mexico, spend a few months in jail, stand trial and be fined heavily and released. Mexico is no different from the U.S. in regards to money ruling the Criminal Justice system--they're just more overt about it and don't get all freaked out when someone buys their way out of jail....happens here in the U.S. all the time, but the smoke screen of lawyers and appeals and pardons makes it seem like everyone gets the same justice.
Had "Dog" bought off the right people, he'd have never gotten arrested in the U.S. His show will be more popular than ever now---bad publicity is just as good as good publicity and he'll have the sympathy factor going for him from many people, just not me.
Now that the publicity has done its job, he might even pay a Mexican lawyer to get the charges dropped. Maybe his production company will cut a deal with A&E to funnel a couple of million bucks down there so the right people get the cash. If we never hear anything else about this story, then that's probably what happened.
I understand the extradition agreement in general terms and understand the need for such an agreements; but is anyone else as uncomfortable sending an American into a code of justice completely opposite of our own; does anyone really believe that he will get anything close to justice? not like he would in an American court either; but the legal perspective of being guilty and having to prove your innocence from the Napolionic Code that Mexico follows is a slap in the face of every American. I have very mixed feelings about this whole thing as neither am I comfortable with bounty hunters or police in general that directly violate our laws of illegal search and seizure. The law and legal justice and the whole ball of wax is such a cesspit that I wouldn't desire of wish upon anyone to get caught up in its clutches. If your going to do a job like bounty hunting; I would hope you would have some kind of legal insurance because your bound to end up in court defending yourself sooner or later; I wonder if his network affiliation is going to help; would be interesting if they showed his trial on "Dog the Bounty Hunter"; would make the show more real to me as it would show that it isnt all glory of the chase for the pursuer either. Wonder if his whole team is accused or if they only are going to go after the named guy or if they will escallate to the rest of the team if they convict him. The whole situation is just yuck.
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I think Dog got the job done.
He put a predator in the hooze gow that prolly didn't stop what he was doing when he crossed the border to flee from justice, when noone else seemed to be able to do the right thing the right way correctly.
And I think that THAT punched the Mex Gov't where it hurt their pride, so they're talking a bunch of trash.
Total punk move. Operating from a mode of weakness. Chivalry and noblesse oblige would be served by granting leniency and a slap on the wrist.
Sure they extradited the druglord, but that guy was hurting them too, and it isn't common. Anyone can escape justice here and pay their way to protection there, and there goes our extradition. I think that we should resist extraditing the mulleted monster, until they make with some more mutual extradition.
This is, as F2K has illustrated, a great exercise in alignment. By the strictest LN interpretation, he is getting sent away.
By most good alignments, we should probably not. Hmmmm...who's up for a debate?
(Pulls Lawful Neutral hat down tightly on his head)
Why sign an extradition treaty with Mexico then? I doubt the agreement says:
"if over 65% of the American public think the American who violated your country's law think the American should not be extradited, then we won't do it."
How would we feel if a Mexican kidnapped an American in the U.S. who had violated Mexican law? If he violated U.S. law, would we not want extradition as well?
(Puts on chaotic good hat)
Say what you will about Mexican law--it's all true, I know from first hand personal experience--one of my co-workers was held prisoner in a Mexican jail for "invasion." What did he do? Accidentally drive an American police car into Mexico while chasing a car thief. He tried to turn around but couldn't because he was stuck in a traffic lane with concrete barriers. He got arrested by Mexican customs and held for "invading the sovereign country of Mexico" because he was an "armed representative of a foreign government."
I guess the Mexicans were really afraid of being invaded by the municipal government of El Paso. How did we get him back?
Our Chief of Police back then ('ca 1991) bribed a Mexican official and we drove across the border in unmarked cars armed to the f....ing teeth to get him back during a "midnight release." This officer still has an arrest warrant out for "escape" in Mexico (because the judge didn't get his cut of the payoff). We sat guard on his house for weeks because we thought the Federales were going to come across the border and kidnap him back.
Chaotic good vs. lawful evil? You betcha!!
My final debate point: America doesn't get to judge other country's laws as better or worse IF America has signed an agreement with said country. That doesn't mean we can't take advantage of the country's own system or laws to get our way...they wrote it..they gotta live with it. Yes, we all know that some country's legal systems are screwed up worse than ours (believe it or not), but that doesn't mean we get to paint everyone else's picture red/white and blue. However, if that country has a screwed up system, we should NOT feel guilty about taking advantage of it and using it against them.
Our Constitution doesn't travel with us when we go abroad, but that goes BOTH ways.
PS: The officer never got his weapon back. Our Department makes us buy our own guns, so the Chief of Police replaced the officer's weapon out of our budget. We did get our patrol car back weeks later, stripped of everything including the light bar, spot lights, engine, shotgun rack, radio and even the tires. I guess we won the battle but lost the war.
Payback is a b&!$&, however, as prior to that incident we used to give "professional courtesy" to Mexican officers who came to shop in El Paso. If they got stopped and were packing, we usually gave them a break. No more Monty. We went huntin' for 'em. My moment of triumphant redemption came a few months later when I arrested a Mexican customs official for driving a stolen van and for carrying a .45. Since peace officer status in Texas only applies to U.S. peace officers he got charged with unlawful carrying of a weapon.
We also got a tip that a bunch of Federales were partying at a strip club weeks later and we arrested the lot of them for unlawful carrying. One of them had cocaine hidden in his boot as well, so we confiscated his Suburban only to find that it had been stolen in Houston three months before.
This is all at least 15 years ago. Things are much better now but Mexico still has its problems, but Mexican law enforcement in particular, has really come a long way towards improvement.
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I think we should just give them Luster back.
I think the Mexican government needs to play ball on this one, and quit being little babies. Waa, waa, waa.
I don't think I would shed any tears if the federales came to Texas and took a Mexican national who was a rapist back to their own country to face charges. They need to seriously man up and quit being crybabies.
It's extortion being committed with help of the U.S. government who is being held to the fire because of the extradition treaty. Publicity and cash. Addictive....
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f2k, I just want to say that I don't disagree with anything you say. It is as true as Galileo's findings about the nature of the solar system which the church made him recant, and which he recanted wholeheartedly, logically reasoning that doing so did not change the truth of creation one iota. It only saved his sorry skin; the truth is what it is. The earth revolves around the sun and not vice versa.
It just pisses me off to no end that the powers that be see fit to waste time and resources and my taxpayer money on this ludicrous travesty of justice. There's plenty of really really bad things happening in both countries, enough to keep everybody gainfully employed. I guess I'm emotionally invested here.
Emotionally I totally agree with you...but I got that little LN Mechanus creature always talking in the back of my head.
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That LN hat looks good on you F2K! (If only more cops wore that hat all the time I'd feel alot better about them.)
I'd pretend to have even more sympathy for that mulleted pituatary mongoloid if it wasn't for those "you do the crime you do the time" speeches he gives to the morons he takes down with the exterminator-sized spray cans of pepper spray. I'm pretty sure he knew the Mexican law before he spent the money to go down there and track down this dispicable person. He didn't track down this guy for purely altruistic reasons. He did it for the money. Money from the bond and ratings for his show. Gotta pay for that HQ in Hawaii somehow right?
I feel for skip tracers the same way I do about tow truck drivers. Both are private citizens that get to steal things legally, and in the case of the former - it's people. When someone walks the tightrope of legal and illegal you've got to expect them to slip sometime.
Also, I appreciate F2K's understanding of Mexican law and the weird wiggle-room that occurs at the border. There have been cases of Federales driving Suburbans into Texas and having firefights with Border Patrol and DPS pretty frequently that never hit the national radar. Clashes are more common than most people would think, but both nations like to make it all look hunky-dorey.