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Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Oh yeah—THAT was sarcasm.

-Vic.
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Paizo Employee Senior Software Developer

Mmmmm...... Now THAT'S sarcastic goodness!


Dang it, Vic, you got my hopes all up that Paizo was moving to a real-time publishing environment and then dashed my dreams upon the rocks of sarcasm!

Darn you Vic, Darn you to Sheol!

Contributor

But if we put everything up immediately, I wouldn't be able to supplement my income by selling black-market conversion notes!

Supply and demand, baby. An editor's gotta eat...


Vic Wertz wrote:
Oh yeah—THAT was sarcasm.

Touché.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

James Sutter wrote:
But if we put everything up immediately, I wouldn't be able to supplement my income by selling black-market conversion notes!

Isn't converting things to Forgotten Realms just a matter of making most of the NPCs old bearded guys?

-Vic.
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And see, stupid me gave away my Mystara conversion notes for free!

What the!!!


Gary Teter wrote:
Mmmmm...... Now THAT'S sarcastic goodness!

Does sarcasm taste bitter, or is it spicy, kinda like the 5-star "We Warned You It Was Hot" special at the Thai place?


Vic Wertz wrote:
Isn't converting things to Forgotten Realms just a matter of making most of the NPCs old bearded guys?

Epic-level old bearded guys. Or deities.

:P

Dark Archive

Yay! Another poisonous screed from Takasi!

Long ago, I proposed that an NPC named 'Takasi' should make an appearance in the Savage Tide as a satirical NPC...I'm starting to believe that he could be the subject of an entire adventure, as I am sure I am not the only one who would like to watch his players do something 'hack and slashy' to his literary effigy.

Once again, great work James and company! I choose to lurk for the most part, but sometimes praise is in order to counteract blatant negativity.

I will be forwarding my first draft of this novel idea soon...

Paizo Employee Senior Software Developer

Lilith wrote:
Does sarcasm taste bitter, or is it spicy, kinda like the 5-star "We Warned You It Was Hot" special at the Thai place?

In this case, spicy. Vic can do the sarcasm like nobody's business.


Gary Teter wrote:
Lilith wrote:
Does sarcasm taste bitter, or is it spicy, kinda like the 5-star "We Warned You It Was Hot" special at the Thai place?
In this case, spicy. Vic can do the sarcasm like nobody's business.

Neat. Spicy is good...with copious amounts of antacids.


Takasi wrote:
I run multimillion dollar sites so give me a break.

Nice for you, but that is just what paizo isn´t - a multimillion dollar company. There are just a handful of people whose main task is not to maintain a top-notch, catering-to-everyones-whishes-website, but to produce printed gaming magazines, to which the website has to be an afterthought. I think you try to compare apples to pears and complain that the apples don´t look and taste like pears.

Takasi wrote:


I hope my current criticism is viewed as constructive.

Sorry, but not to me. This may be due to the fact that I´m not a native speaker. Uttering your critizism once, perhaps twice is ok to me, but to insist on uttering it times and again is nagging in my book.

Stefan


Takasi wrote:
It's just text. I run multimillion dollar sites so give me a break. If you are honestly trying to be sarcastic here, please try harder.

Could you post a couple of URLs for these multimillion dollar sites that you run without any graphic designers, people to do content layout, images, etc?

I've seen a number of posts praising the Paizo crew for the evolving format of Dungeon over the past few years. Given the attention they're paying to getting the magazine "just right," I'm not surprised that they want to produce the web supplements to the same level of excellence.

And I concur with the others; your tone doesn't come off as constructive criticism at all. It's complaining, repetitively, as far as I can tell.

You might want to review what you paid for with your subscription: http://paizo.com/dungeon Not a mention of any web supplements at all. You can call them part of the adventure path or part of the adventure if you like, but I'll point out that the first 100+ issues of Dungeon had adventures that worked just fine without additional information. The web material is being provided, free of charge. I'd assume they're actually paying the authors of the conversions, and the people involved in preparing the downloads are taking time away from what they're actually being paid to produce.

The minute you're paying $24.95 a year for web supplements, I'll fully support your right to complain as much as you want when they're late.


Whatever, you can bash my style all you want with a bunch of rhetoric, but the point is that they are providing us with the supplements and they are trying to have a professional quality site that caters to selling RPG products. (Their goal is probably to be one of the best online distributers of rpg products, as it should be.)

So...

1.) If Paizo is going to provide text only notes, how does publishing these notes on the web or on these "rinky dinky" boards prevent them from bundling these notes with art and map supplements two or three months later?

2.) If Paizo is trying to run a quality commercial site, wouldn't it be embarrassing to admit that (from just a technical perspective only) it would take them months just to publish a few paragraphs of text on their site?

I may be asking these questions "over and over" (what like twice?) but the real repetition here is from all of the fanboys who constantly whine about any criticism at all, whether it really is constructive or not.

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Takasi wrote:

1.) If Paizo is going to provide text only notes, how does publishing these notes on the web or on these "rinky dinky" boards prevent them from bundling these notes with art and map supplements two or three months later?

2.) If Paizo is trying to run a quality commercial site, wouldn't it be embarrassing to admit that (from just a technical perspective onl) it would take them months just to publish a few paragraphs of text on their site?

I may be asking these questions "over and over" (what like twice?) but the real repetition here is all of the fanboys who constantly whine about any criticism at all, whether it really is constructive or not.

You are a d*#k. I hope Paizo DOES decide to stop providing these little free things that they do. Obviously you do not appreciate the extra effort that they go through to provide your worthless @ss with free resources to enhance your gaming. Wouldn't it be embarrassing to admit that (from just a technical perspective onl) you really have no idea about Paizo's team and how much work they are already doing to provide the magazines, distribution of RPG supplements and all the other things they do. If it is just a couple of paragraphs then shut up and do it yourself instead of bi*ching about not getting the free item that you somehow, in you pompousness, have decided is your right to have exactly when you want it.

Constructive, my @ss. You've been anything but constructive.
I remember reading threads where the Paizo team have talked about how they have had to ALL help packing up stuff to ship when overwhelmed with orders.
Paizo is the gift-horse. I hope you get kicked.

FH


Takasi,

I love your dogged determinism. Your opinions do matter, even if it seems like we all rag on you. Here's the thing, though: you have to understand that Paizo doesn't operate the way you want them to.

I understand that you feel that they should, but they don't. And while I'm quite sure James and Erik and the rest value every subscriber, ultimately it is their decision as to how they want to handle their product.

You aren't the only person who has ever advocated change to Dungeon or Dragon, and you won't be the last. Paizo has looked at a variety of options and made a decision as to how they want to operate their business. That decision has led to an increase in sales, higher quality, and award after award.

You have some valid points. Paizo could release the information in pure text format on the website. They choose not to, because they prefer to release the information in .pdf format. We get that you don't like the wait, but their decision has been made.

Why would it be shameful to Paizo to do what they are doing? James & Company have made it clear that the web enhancements will arrive after the magazines have been released, and have never attempted to hide the fact that those enhancements are bonus material, come very late in the order of priorities, and are quite good about giving their readers updates as to when to expect those enhancements. To me, that's good customer service, not unprofessionalism.

Your questions are apt, but your delivery is less than stellar. After your Age of Worms tirade (sorry - biased word - replace that with threadposting), quite a few people have come away with the impression that you want it your way, right away, darn the torpedos and any reasons why it's done differently.

Heck, I'm a self-professed Paizo fanboy, but I'm not attacking you because you are disagreeing with Paizo...I'm trying to get it through to you that by repeating your opinion over and over again after it is shown that the people in charge have heard you, but have chosen not to follow your advice. That's the point where the criticism moves from 'constructive' to 'annoying' and from 'annoying' to 'OMG, it's Takasi again! D00d, we should totally mock him until he stops.'


Fake Healer wrote:
Paizo is the gift-horse. I hope you get kicked.

C'mon, FH. Let's keep it civil? I'm just sayin'. :)

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Gwydion wrote:
Fake Healer wrote:
Paizo is the gift-horse. I hope you get kicked.
C'mon, FH. Let's keep it civil? I'm just sayin'. :)

You are right. Sorry but I get a bit emotional over stuff like this because a few people could ruin a good thing for all the others who do really appreciate the work that goes into providing free enhancements to a product.

Paizo doesn't have to do it, they choose to.
I have seen this happen before where a few bad apples have ruined things for everyone.
I don't want to suffer because someone decides to be a jerk.
But I did go too far and I will admit when I am wrong to do so.
Sorry about taking this too personally.

FH

Liberty's Edge

Is there a way on the Paizo site to put in some dude's avatar name, and none of his posts will appear on your computer?
My wife says other sites have that junk.
Or should I just edit it in my head by not looking at it?
That's hard, though.


What is this, good cop bad cop?

"You are a d*#k...shut up and do it yourself...Constructive, my @ss. You've been anything but constructive. "

"I love your dogged determinism...You have some valid points..."

Or should I say good fanboy bad fanboy?

"worthless @ss...they have had to ALL help packing up stuff to ship when overwhelmed with orders. "

"That decision has led to an increase in sales, higher quality, and award after award...To me, that's good customer service, not unprofessionalism."

Whatever, it all ends up the same:

"C'mon, FH. Let's keep it civil?"

"Sorry about taking this too personally."

Dark Archive

And the Savage Tide Player's Guide is up, and we are very thankful James - it's appreciated!

Paizo Employee Senior Software Developer

Folks, please don't make me add something like this next to the "Submit Post" button:

Note: Help maintain a healthy, respectful discussion by focusing comments on the issues, topics, and facts at hand -- not at other members of the site.


I'll offer another perspective (from someone that also runs multimillion dollar projects). I have a very talented team of folks that can produce a lot of great stuff. However, I also have multiple stakeholders with demands, expectations, and timelines all competing for our time. When one minor stakeholder wants a specific item, even when that item might be "a quick job" in their mind, I do not cater to that stakeholder. I've got specific timelines for my project deliverables, and I stick to those timelines. If I finish early on one and get some extra resource bandwidht, THEN I'll look at the side jobs and see what I can deliver. If/when enough stakeholders are looking for an item, then I might reprioritize my team to take a look.

I would imagine Paizo is run much the same way. What may seem like a minor job could, in fact, be much larger than we think. Catering to that minor job could also open the door for other people to demand "gold plating" (A PM term for extra stuff outside my project scope).


Takasi wrote:
What is this, good cop bad cop?

Nah, it's not a conspiracy or planned out. I stand by what I've said, and I think others could be a bit more civil about what they say, that's all.

Seriously, you have valid points. However, the decisions of the publisher are more valid. I think you're beating a dead horse; you've stated your preference and given input. Proselytizing on these boards won't help you out much. The community here has expressed their satisfaction with the way things are handled, and the industry has lauded Paizo for the same. Obviously they are doing something right.

Could the enhancements be delivered as you posited? Yes.
Are they going to be? No.
Why? Because Paizo has decided that they want to release them in .pdf format after using their excellent layout & design & artwork teams.

That's pretty much the heart of the matter.

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Gary Teter wrote:

Folks, please don't make me add something like this next to the "Submit Post" button:

Note: Help maintain a healthy, respectful discussion by focusing comments on the issues, topics, and facts at hand -- not at other members of the site.

Sorry Mr. Postmonster, as I said, I got a bit emotional and have decided to remove myself from this discussion for the good of all involved.

Thank you for your hard work.

FH

Scarab Sages

Gwydion wrote:

Could the enhancements be delivered as you posited? Yes.

Are they going to be? No.
Why? Because Paizo has decided that they want to release them in .pdf format after using their excellent layout & design & artwork teams.

That's pretty much the heart of the matter.

Nicely said Gwydion. Succinct and to the point. I for one would like to join the majority of the decent folks here on the message boards who applaud Paizo for their efforts in providing us a quality product and then add extra content for free.

I salute you ladies and gentlemen of Paizo. If your ever in Philadelphia, look me up and maybe I'll rotissiere up something for you.


Takasi,

I too agree that you do have *some* valid points. I do also understand that Paizo & Co. is doing what they do and we are getting someting for free that we would not otherwise get. If you are that adamant about wanting a set thing, why not try this tactic: Offer to help them out with something that they need help with. That might free them up to do some other things that you want. I have the feeling that as good as they are, Paizo & Co. could always use some more help. Stop complaining & start looking for solutions that are workable. Life is VERY unfair. If this is the worst that you are going through, then count yourself lucky!!! But Takasi, you have every right to voice your opinion. Please, just try to be understanding of what Paizo & Co. are doing and going through.

End of Rant!

Best wishes,
Kevin


Gwydion wrote:

Could the enhancements be delivered as you posited? Yes.

Are they going to be? No.
Why? Because Paizo has decided that they want to release them in .pdf format after using their excellent layout & design & artwork teams.

That's just another classic example of fanboy logic though.

"This is the way things are, thus it must be the best so there is no reason to voice disagreement. Things should never change."

I'll add a few more questions:

1.) If Paizo is going to provide text only notes, how does publishing these notes on the web or on these "rinky dinky" boards prevent them from bundling these notes with art and map supplements two or three months later? The notes can still go out as scheduled.

2.) If Paizo is trying to run a quality commercial site, wouldn't it be embarrassing to admit that (from just a technical perspective only) it would take them months just to publish a few paragraphs of text on their site? Again, this is a technical issue only. To say "we don't have the time to post a few paragraphs on these crappy rinky dink boards or press send to a webmaster that can have up to a week (vs three months) to post it online" is just silly when the whole staff spends hours at EN World and other boards (including these rinky dink ones) defending the skill selections of an NPC.

3.) What good is text only notes designed by an excellent layout, design and artwork teams if it's a day late and a dollar short? Who cares if it's free if it's useless, and to DMs who are trying to get a 1-20 campaign in before 4th edition time is important.

4.) It's been almost half a year since the preview article in 135 and what do we know about running Savage Tide in Eberron and FR? Nothing. Oh wait, we know that Demogorgon is Demogorgon. While the first adventure is fairly generic enough to stick into Stormreach if you just play the mechanics, the backdrop given for Sasserine has so many world dependent notes for history, organizations and geography that are pretty much worthless to anyone who chooses to place the campaign somewhere else.

And I would like to point out that I would just post my questions and wait for a response (if any) from Paizo, and that these answers (and even the notes themselves) really aren't that big of a deal to me, but this constant stream of pointless insults to counter anything that doesn't pile on to the Paizo love train is what keeps the boards "exciting" as Mr. Jacobs put it.

It's like trying to present a Maybe and immediately getting kicked in the groin by a mob of Yes Men.

Dark Archive Bella Sara Charter Superscriber

The Paizo staff killed my dog. I hate them. :-(

I feel very dirty even posting this, but...

I can understand the frustration regarding campaign conversion guidelines being greater at the beginning of an adventure path than at any other time (not that I believe that we won't see these types of posts every month that the conversion pdf does not immediately follow the arrival of the relevant issue - we will). If the web supplement is not going to be complete, a broad paragraph providing basic information, akin to the previews for coming issues, would be helpful. It's relatively easy to convert stats, it's a lot harder to start a campaign in Eberron City #1 only to find out that it should have started in Eberron City #2. And, considering that the conversion notes are low priority, a conversion outline would do a lot to help tide over those running an adventure path in another setting.

Now, all that being said, I don't plan to run ST in another setting and I don't really care about the conversion notes. I like to have the map pdfs before I run an adventure anyway, so I normally don't plan to run anything from Dungeon until at least a month after I receive an issue. Furthermore, I don't really see a groundswell of public opinion demanding early conversion notes, which leads me to believe that most other people have a similar attitude with respect to waiting for the pdf supplements.

Ultimately, if a conversion outline posted on these boards would save us from these threads, I'd say go for it. But it won't, so I'm not sure I see the point. Sometimes a rusty wheel needs grease, and sometimes it needs to be thrown away. I think experience tells us into which category this wheel falls.


Sebastian wrote:
Furthermore, I don't really see a groundswell of public opinion demanding early conversion notes, which leads me to believe that most other people have a similar attitude with respect to waiting for the pdf supplements.

There have been several threads that have popped up here and there in the last few weeks, though nothing as big as the AoW Overload thread. And you didn't see my name in any of those posts.

Sebastian wrote:
Ultimately, if a conversion outline posted on these boards would save us from these threads, I'd say go for it. But it won't, so I'm not sure I see the point. Sometimes a rusty wheel needs grease, and sometimes it needs to be thrown away. I think experience tells us into which category this wheel falls.

Although I would prefer them as a web supplement, if they were posted on the boards you shouldn't hear complaints from me. I have never criticized the content of the conversion notes. In fact, I have never criticized the timeliness of the supplements when Paizo specifically says they are waiting on the authors to send them the notes. I do complain however when they say they've had the notes for weeks (and in the case of AoW months) but can't find the time to bundle everything together (yet they find plenty of time to post every five minutes on multiple boads).

And it is especially more disturbing when you consider what huge Greyhawk fans the editors are and how much they have openly criticized other settings in the past for not being "Core D&D". When they sit on these notes it only serves to contribute to the grand Greyhawk conspiracy at Paizo.


Takasi wrote:
It's like trying to present a Maybe and immediately getting kicked in the groin by a mob of Yes Men.

People don't object when you say Maybe. They object when you accuse people of incompetence, stupidity, and/or dishonesty whenever things aren't done the way you say they should be done.

For the record, exactly what behavior from Paizo is absolving you of any obligation to be courteous? I want to know, because I want to be rude too; I just need to know when it's OK.

Liberty's Edge

What was this thread about originally? Ah, the STPG; and it's there for download now (not that we could have bought it earlier)!
Thanx for another freebee - thread over and out!

Contributor

Alright, I generally stay out of addressing such matters, as I have a tendency to speak a little too candidly on the internet, but let's try this...

Takasi & friends - Hi. I'm James Sutter, one of the Dungeon editors. In fact, of the three of us, there's probably a 60% likelihood that I'll be the one handling the conversion notes. I've read the vast majority of your comments on this and similar issues, and believe me when I say that I understand your concerns. So let me answer you as clearly as I can:

The "fanboys," as you call your fellow boardlords, are right about one thing: things are the way they are on this particular issue, and that's not going to change no matter how many times you post about it. The decisions have been made, both regarding how the notes will be released (in PDF format) and where they fall on our list of priorities (distinctly after production of the magazines and other time-sensitive products). The fact is, this is a business, and we're busy - we're doing the best we can, but at some point every company has to conduct a little triage and say, "This is what we can get done today." That's why the PDFs are "late."

Now, I can see both advantages and disadvantages to sticking plain-text format conversion notes on the boards before the PDFs release, but even if powers higher than me say "go for it" - we still have to wait for the conversion notes to come in from the authors, and we still have to take an editing pass (some standards shall be observed no matter what). Could it happen? Sure. But the magazines still come first, and right now, we're doing the post-GenCon dance with destruction, cutting things closer than anyone would like while trying to simultaneously put out what I believe to be some of the best Dungeon issues of all time.

So how about we all play nice, eh? The fact is, every time we take time out to respond to one of these threads, the conversion notes get a little bit later... not out of malice, but because it's a time sink. (And for Pete's sake, please quit throwing back that "rinky dink" comment - they're our boards, and as such we have the right to refer to them however we want. Besides, it's the idea of a plain-text conversion supplement that was being referred to, not the boards themselves.)

I hope that answers your concerns. We really are listening - yes, even to you, Takasi - and we've always got the best interests of our audience at heart, even if sometimes that requires us to make unpopular choices. And the online supplements *are* free, dude. Whether the delay is hours or months, you're still getting something extra for nothing... and we're significantly faster than, say, the free decoder ring you order off the back of the cereal box.

Now back to the magazine. Be good to each other!

-James S.

Contributor

Takasi wrote:
And it is especially more disturbing when you consider what huge Greyhawk fans the editors are and how much they have openly criticized other settings in the past for not being "Core D&D". When they sit on these notes it only serves to contribute to the grand Greyhawk conspiracy at Paizo.

One last thing - I haven't exactly been in the closet, but it's time to come out and say it definitively:

I'm not a Greyhawk fan. Not that I have anything against it, but I think I've played in that setting for a grand total of four hours (and that was just sitting in on someone else's game). In contrast, I've played several campaigns set (loosely) in the Forgotten Realms, and am currently in an Eberron game that I'm enjoying quite a bit.

I'm 33% of this magazine. James is admittedly a Greyhawk fan, but so what? As far as I can tell, Jeremy doesn't care about it either way. One Greyhawk goob on a magazine does not a conspiracy make - if that were all it took, Dragon would be some weird combination of Eberron, Planescape, Mystara, and Ravenloft (probably more of the latter, as Wes would probably shiv us all for a chance to run Ravenloft in every issue).

I hope that finally puts the conspiracy issue to rest... primarily because I'd like those people who seek out such things to turn their attention to more interesting conspiracy theories! Steorn Energy Challenge, anyone? What's up with that?

Liberty's Edge

Attempt at rational discourse #1523, trollgarbled in 3...2...1...

Dark Archive Bella Sara Charter Superscriber

Not to nitpick, but...

James Sutter wrote:


Takasi & friends

What friends? ;-)


James Sutter wrote:
The "fanboys," as you call your fellow boardlords, are right about one thing: things are the way they are on this particular issue, and that's not going to change no matter how many times you post about it.

Mr. Jacobs has implied several times that there are other ideas on the table. This is the first that I've heard that it's set in stone (other than from the previously referred to "fanboys" (or the more PC term - "boardlords"). This was especially true after 135 came out.

If that's not the case, and you would rather present yourself as a bureaucrat rules-for-rules sake with no reasoning behind them (other than to please the "boardlords" by sticking it to Takasi) then so be it.

James Sutter wrote:
The decisions have been made, both regarding how the notes will be released (in PDF format) and where they fall on our list of priorities (distinctly after production of the magazines and other time-sensitive products). The fact is, this is a business, and we're busy - we're doing the best we can, but at some point every company has to conduct a little triage and say, "This is what we can get done today." That's why the PDFs are "late."

Thank you for the misdirection and straw man reasoning, but no one is arguing what your priorities are. The question here is about the notes and why they are bundled.

James Sutter wrote:
Now, I can see both advantages and disadvantages to sticking plain-text format conversion notes on the boards

What are the disadvantages? And also what are the disadvantages to adding them not to the boards but to a web page? I've yet to hear this from anyone, other than as an insult to these "rinky dinky boards", where no one really cares what is posted I guess. :)

James Sutter wrote:
before the PDFs release, but even if powers higher than me say "go for it" - we still have to wait for the conversion notes to come in from the authors, and we still have to take an editing pass (some standards shall be observed no matter what).

I've never complained about that, if it's the authors fault then fine. However, I can point to several posts where the blame was shifted to the art design team and layout. Probably the biggest delay, around last Christmas, used this excuse.

James Sutter wrote:
Could it happen? Sure.

But this would contradict the rules for rules sake attitude listed above.

James Sutter wrote:
So how about we all play nice, eh? The fact is, every time we take time out to respond to one of these threads, the conversion notes get a little bit later...

Then just post the notes and ignore these rinky dinky boards.

James Sutter wrote:
And for Pete's sake, please quit throwing back that "rinky dink" comment - they're our boards, and as such we have the right to refer to them however we want.

I kind of like it. I'll wear it as a badge of honor. :P

James Sutter wrote:
And the online supplements *are* free, dude.

But they cost you time and money, and if people run their campaigns before you print them then you're wasting both.

James Sutter wrote:
Whether the delay is hours or months, you're still getting something extra for nothing...

If it's delayed and the campaign is past the issue then you're giving nothing for nothing, and for what? That's what makes this "constructive" criticism.

James Sutter wrote:
I'm 33% of this magazine. James is admittedly a Greyhawk fan, but so what? As far as I can tell, Jeremy doesn't care about it either way. One Greyhawk goob on a magazine does not a conspiracy make - if that were all it took, Dragon would be some weird combination of Eberron, Planescape, Mystara, and Ravenloft (probably more of the latter, as Wes would probably shiv us all for a chance to run Ravenloft in every issue).

I wouldn't quite sing the "Ding Dong the Mona is Dead" song yet (just kidding btw). The proof is in the print and while Dragon has done a great job lately I've yet to see Dungeon shake off its Greyhawk bias in their adventures.


Takasi wrote:
The proof is in the print and while Dragon has done a great job lately I've yet to see Dungeon shake off its Greyhawk bias in their adventures.

Last time I checked, the Dungeon submission guidelines are here. If the "Greyhawk bias" is the cause of your vitriol, then I suggest you try to do something about it and submit an adventure for whatever your favorite campaign setting happens to be.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Takasi,

Just let us know if you'd like to cancel your subscription.

Alternately, you could just continue your insulting tirades on viewpoints upon which you alone seem to stand, and you might just find your subscription cancelled for you. The community is not benefitting from your participation, regardless of what you may think.

-Vic.
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Liberty's Edge

Attempt at rational discourse #1524, trollgarbled in 3...2...1...


OK, back to the topic of this thread:

"I can't wait to *open* my pdf of the Savage Tide Player's Guide!"

First of all, THANK YOU FOR THE FREE PDF!

This is my first post here, and the most excellent first Savage Tide adventure is responsible. What a fantastic opener for a campaign. The Sasserine city map is amazing, and I can use it for a dozen other settings if needed as well. Congrats. I plan on ordering the $5 print copy of the Savage Tide Player's Guide just cause I'm a hard-copy kind of collector, but I did attempt to download the pdf as well.

Now, I'm a download novice (w/ only crappy dialup), but I'd like to ask if this downloaded correctly for everyone else? Mine took 3 hours and I can't open it because it says the file is damaged and can't be repaired. :(

Anyone else get this or is it just on my end?

Oh, "Hello Paizo" as well.

Archetype


Big file plus lots of folks downloading has resulted in the process come times dropping your request after a timeout. I kicked mine off and let it run overnight (and this is with my standard download speed being 6 MB). It got down great that way, but it does take a while.

Now, what I've found inside is definitely worth it. The high-res copy has sections of the city map that, if placed together, look to be about 42"x84" or some such (I know it's 42" from top to bottom, did that in Photoshop today). That wold print one massive poster map of the city! The other pics are equally nice...


Archetype wrote:

Now, I'm a download novice (w/ only crappy dialup), but I'd like to ask if this downloaded correctly for everyone else? Mine took 3 hours and I can't open it because it says the file is damaged and can't be repaired. :(

Anyone else get this or is it just on my end?

Archetype, the Paizo servers have been a wee bit hammered as of late, as has been stated previously by Vic and Gary in other threads. I would try downloading again (if it's possible) during off-peak hours (after 8pm PST or so). If you have one, I would use a download manager as well, as that will help with dial-up downloads.

Paizo Employee Chief Technical Officer

Archetype wrote:
... I can't open it because it says the file is damaged and can't be repaired.

While it could indeed be that your download was corrupted in transit, apparently you can *also* get that message with a perfectly good file if you're using an old version of Adobe Reader. You might want to make sure you've got the latest version, available for free at adobe.com.

-Vic.
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erian_7 wrote:

Big file plus lots of folks downloading has resulted in the process come times dropping your request after a timeout. I kicked mine off and let it run overnight (and this is with my standard download speed being 6 MB). It got down great that way, but it does take a while.

Now, what I've found inside is definitely worth it. The high-res copy has sections of the city map that, if placed together, look to be about 42"x84" or some such (I know it's 42" from top to bottom, did that in Photoshop today). That wold print one massive poster map of the city! The other pics are equally nice...

When you get the map all done is there any way you could post it somewhere? I would love to see it/laminate large sections to put together so as to make a wall covering.

Maybe Lilith would be willing to host a 4'x7' map available for download. That would be cool to have. Or make a table with the map as the tabletop.
Hmmmm.
FH


Heh, well, I don't think Paizo would be up on me reposting their images. I'm sure if they want to make the map available at that size they could. However, keep in mind that file would be in the hundreds of megs for size...


Marcus Gehrcke wrote:
Can wait. I from Denmark and is going to be so cool to get it.

Not to sound off topic but you reminded me of the guitar player Toki from that Adult Swim cartoon Metalocalypse.


Vic Wertz wrote:


While it could indeed be that your download was corrupted in transit, apparently you can *also* get that message with a perfectly good file if you're using an old version of Adobe Reader.

What he said.

So the world moved on to Adobe 7.0 while I wasn't looking. Go figure (I don't download much, obviously). That fixed it. Nice FREE supplement.

Thanks again.


I just wanted to be post #100 :)

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