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Just a question in regards to the Black blade in PFS - can it be upgraded, say, money spent to make it +1, then the others come on top of it? Or just the steps listed? Are the enhacements just the pluses, or can it be +1,flaming at 5th lvl? And can it be of another material, e.g., I buy an adamantine or cold iron blade, can tihs be then the black blade?
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Sorry, but that's not right, you gain it 3rd level, so in PFS I can either have a +1 weapon, or it can be at least cold iron, or, if I am lucky might be able to purchase an adamantine version.
Also, as PFS caps at lvl12 this just gives a +3 version of the blade, so enhancement are still possible, and also I was wondering if they can be something else then just +
If I can enhance it as I like I can make it then a +1 keen, holy weapon, and the other plusses come on top?
The black blade starts with you at level 1, so you will not have the funds to make it out of any special materials. However, you can enhance it magically however you would like
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Sorry, but that's not right, you gain it 3rd level, so in PFS I can either have a +1 weapon, or it can be at least cold iron, or, if I am lucky might be able to purchase an adamantine version.
Also, as PFS caps at lvl12 this just gives a +3 version of the blade, so enhancement are still possible, and also I was wondering if they can be something else then just +
If I can enhance it as I like I can make it then a +1 keen, holy weapon, and the other plusses come on top?The black blade starts with you at level 1, so you will not have the funds to make it out of any special materials. However, you can enhance it magically however you would like
Unfortunately that is incorrect. You gain the first benefits of the archetype at 3rd level, but you are considered a bladebound magus from level one according to the way archetypes work.
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Okay, looked at the archetypes, and that's true how they generally work, still:
But in PFS.
One other note, the one option that was allowed for PFS that is not how it works in the APG is if you have a PFS character and you want to switch from core to archetype, you can do this so long as the character is still a low enough level as to not have gotten any of the alternate abilities yet.
As you only get alternate abilities at lvl3, you could start of as a normal magus and then take on the archetype.
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So, at least I could get a cold iron weapon then? Still, an official answer would be great.
Since the Blade Bound magus modifies your arcane pool, which the developers have stated starts at level one, you have to choose your bladebound weapon at level 1. it just doesn't "wake up" until level 3. so unless you can afford a cold iron weapon at level one, your black blade cannot be made of cold iron
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Since the Blade Bound magus modifies your arcane pool, which the developers have stated starts at level one, you have to choose your bladebound weapon at level 1. It just doesn't "wake up" until level 3.
Todd, that's not the way the text reads. "Black Blade (Ex): At 3rd level, the bladebound magus’ called a black blade, whose weapon type is chosen by the magus (see sidebar)."
And the sidebar says: "There are several ways a magus might gain this weapon. Sometimes it just appears anong the magus' posessions, and its origin is a mystery. Other times the magus finds a black blade during an adventure or event of some kind..."
So, a plain reading of the text is that the magus at levels 1 and 2 may not yet have a black blade. Now, you might want to assert that the player needs to know, from ground zero, whether her PC is going to be a bladebound magus or not. But he doesn't get the weapon till 3rd Level. More to the point, it's just there, the same way a new witch doesn't need to buy her familiar. He doesn't ask anyone to make it for him, so he can't spend gold to make sure its cold iron or enhanced magically or anything else.
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Since the Blade Bound magus modifies your arcane pool, which the developers have stated starts at level one, you have to choose your bladebound weapon at level 1. It just doesn't "wake up" until level 3.Todd, that's not the way the text reads. "Black Blade (Ex): At 3rd level, the bladebound magus’ called a black blade, whose weapon type is chosen by the magus (see sidebar)."
And the sidebar says: "There are several ways a magus might gain this weapon. Sometimes it just appears anong the magus' posessions, and its origin is a mystery. Other times the magus finds a black blade during an adventure or event of some kind..."
So, a plain reading of the text is that the magus at levels 1 and 2 may not yet have a black blade. Now, you might want to assert that the player needs to know, from ground zero, whether her PC is going to be a bladebound magus or not. But he doesn't get the weapon till 3rd Level. More to the point, it's just there, the same way a new witch doesn't need to buy her familiar. He doesn't ask anyone to make it for him, so he can't spend gold to make sure its cold iron or enhanced magically or anything else.
The second part of the black blade ability states that the arcane pool is modified. This was clarified by a developer in another thread that this takes place at first level. I assumed that since a part of the ability starts at first level, that the entire archetype does as well
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It clearly states that the Bladebound magus gains his black blade at EL 3 replacing his first arcana. I don't see why thats so hard t understand.
It also states that the Blackblade is unbreakable as long as it [the blackblade] has one arcane point in its arcane pool. So we nmight infer that the Blackblade is made out of adamintine but this is not clearly stated. Perhaps we could get the deveoper that desgned the class to comment on this.
IMO far to many people nitpick the rules to death. IMO the Blackblade should be treated as any othe magic weapon. Meaning that it should follow the same rules as standard magic weapons reguarding enchantments
why gimp an archtype for no reason. Bladebound archtype allready requires you to spend at least 2 feats on extra arcana because your arcana pool is smaller that other Magi of the same level. Its just a balance issue. The Magus and the blade bound archtype are very fun to run and PFS players and VC's should not rip a very good class and archtype just let the players have fun.
Under the current rules no magic weapon can be overpower in PFS because of the GP limit imposed by the modules and Fame points.
Why B--ch and whine let the players have FUN that is the point of the game. Don't get hung up on every word period and comma in the class write ups have fun. My VC rocks I have never seen him him try to stomp on anyones fun with the exception of GUNS which he HATES but as log as the players follw the rules I have seen Gunslingers at his table
I wont play one at his table because I have several characters and I want both of us to have FUN all VC's should take a page from Mike Azzalino and let there players have fun.
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In PFS, level 1 characters are suppose to have the archetype locked in from the first time they are played. The allowance to add an archetype prior to any substitute powers is really only meant for characters existing prior to the sourcebook becoming legal for use. For example you had playtested a Magus to level 2 before UM was released, and then decided to become a Bladebound when you became 3rd level after UM was released.
Can you site where this position is supported? It is a pretty common understanding that, in PFS, you do not have to declare your archetype until the first level you gain a benefit from it.
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You choose your archtype Bladebound Magus at 1st level but don't gain any benifits until EL 3.
There is a diffrtent froumla for dertermining the arcane pool of a blade bound magus than a regular magus or other magus archtypes as a blade bound magus black blade also has an arcae pool.
Also accroding to Mark Morland you can shoose an archtype at any level as long as you still have the class feature that the archtype replaces for an esxisting character. New characters can olly choose archtypes at EL 1.
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Yes but until 3rd level, the arcane pool of a bladebound magus, and a standard one are identical.
You are partially correct. Mathematically they are the same, but the method by which it is calculated is different (1/2 level+INT vs. 1/3 level+INT). I do agree that in the case of the Black Blade, you have to declare it at 1st level since that is the first occurrence of a difference from the base class.
On another note, the Black Blade does not seem to be clearly identified as a special or named weapon. So why can't the Magus just declare whatever weapon he wants to be his BB? (although thematically, it sounds more like the blade chooses you rather than the other way around)
At 3rd level, assuming I have the GP, why can't my BB be my newly purchased adamantine +1 longsword?