Enlightened Paladin (Vows?)


Rules Questions


Paizo wrote:

This section introduces monk vows, which any user of ki can take to increase his ki pool.

A monk can discipline his body to hold more ki by upholding the strict tenets of a vow. By adhering to his vow’s tenets, the monk’s ki pool increases by the amount listed in the vow’s description. Every vow comes with a penalty or limitation to offset this increase in ki. A monk can take a vow at any level, but it does not add to his ki pool until he gains a ki pool as a class feature. The ability to take these vows replaces the still mind class feature, even if the monk abandons all his vows.

Can an enlightened paladin (archetype) use monk vows?

The archetype grants a ki pool and it would fit thematically, but I am not sure if the vows are monk only or only stated as being monk because monk was (until ninja and a few other exceptions) the only class that got a ki pool. It says it replaces the still mind class feature, but that section specifically relates to monks. I just wanted to see what other people think about it, either through official rulings or how you would address it as a GM.


yes


Pathfinder Maps, Starfinder Adventure Path, Starfinder Maps, Starfinder Roleplaying Game, Starfinder Society Subscriber; Pathfinder Roleplaying Game Superscriber

No, if it is a monk archetype, then it only works for monks -- not for monk-like paladins.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder PF Special Edition, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Considering that every class noun says "monk" instead of "Ki user" and that it is a Monk archetype, the only way your Paladin gets to use it, is by multi-classing to monk.

This is not a bad thing if you're taking the Irori path.

Liberty's Edge

This has been asked before and yes, the book means what it says it means, if you have a ki pool you may take monk vows.


David knott 242 wrote:

No, if it is a monk archetype, then it only works for monks -- not for monk-like paladins.

It's not an archetype.


It might say "any user of ki," but there's something relevant right there at the end.

Paizo wrote:
The ability to take these vows replaces the still mind class feature...

If you have the still mind class feature, sure.

However, I don't believe that the Iroran Paladin archetype actually gets that class feature. No still mind, no vows. Otherwise you would be seeing ninjas take them as well.

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