Wow, free tie-in adventure, nice touch!

Wow, free tie-in adventure, nice touch!

Agreed. The extra effort Paizo have put into the different product lines complementing each other over the last year or so has been greatly appreciated.

Those are cool mini's but a touch pricey. Not to mention the packaging is very environmentally unfriendly. I hope in the future companies will lean towards a more eco-friendly package for stuff like this.

Those are cool mini's but a touch pricey. Not to mention the packaging is very environmentally unfriendly. I hope in the future companies will lean towards a more eco-friendly package for stuff like this.

depending on the store, if they stock pre-painted minis away from the register, then the larger packaging is a must. Being visible, any crooks know if the figures are something they want, making them a bigger target than the random minis. This means that a small package is going to get stuffed into a pocket and walk out of a store. The size of the packaging here greatly deters that from happening. I have seen stores who sell 3-4 cases of each heroclix set pass on ordering heroclix product because it was a visible set in too small of a package, instead they put a picture up and offered to special order, but would not order any for general stock. I'm sure they arn't the only ones

Not to mention the packaging is very environmentally unfriendly. I hope in the future companies will lean towards a more eco-friendly package for stuff like this.

Please post your thoughts on this issue when details about the Rise of the Runelords set come out next week. We've tried to make some adjustments to address these concerns, and that will be the first real sign of it.

Cpt_kirstov, I am an owner of a game shop so I do appreciate the items you mention and I agree. Visible items sell well and small packaging can grow legs and walk away. As a good steward of the environment, I just struggle to find a good balance between pushing sales and minimizing our impact on the environment.

Erik, I am really looking forward to the next set. The previews have been great and I am excited to see how this set will roll out. Thanks!

Please point to where this isn't a repaint of miniatures already available in the random line?

I think I already have these minis... and if they are simple repaints, I Probably have extras in sufficient numbers I can repaint them myself... ::sigh::

Hit me with some new minis Paizo... then you can have more money... ;) I do like giving it to you...

Those are cool mini's but a touch pricey. Not to mention the packaging is very environmentally unfriendly. I hope in the future companies will lean towards a more eco-friendly package for stuff like this.

I noticed this myself when I got my Beginner Box minis on Friday at the FLGS (fifty days waiting after I ordered). The plastic clamshell package was too bulky, flimsy and held shut with tape. For all the work that went into a decent presentation, it felt cheap and wasteful, especially since all I did with the packaging was open it up and discard it. I'd love to see Paizo distribute these in more simple recycled-paper boxes with just a little bit of glue (a la D&D Minis) even when the boxes didn't contain random figures. I understand display packaging is useful for showing off a product on a store shelf, but I'd be happier to buy them if the packaging was mostly paper.

Erik: I'll look forward to seeing what the RotR set looks like in its new packaging. I already have this one on order from my FLGS so I can have it ready to run on Free RPG Day. And I'm a little sad that I still can't afford to pick up the first set and the new one is coming out already. Though I recognize that business needs to move while I've been largely sitting on my duff. I guess when I get paid by my new client, I'll fork some money over to get a case of Set 1 if Paizo still has some available (if not, then at $anotherOnlineRetailer), and buy the dragon from my FLGS (which luckily has it on the shelf).

Please point to where this isn't a repaint of miniatures already available in the random line?

I think I already have these minis... and if they are simple repaints, I Probably have extras in sufficient numbers I can repaint them myself... ::sigh::

Hit me with some new minis Paizo... then you can have more money... ;) I do like giving it to you...

These are all repaints of existing figures from Heroes & Monsters.

If this does not appeal to you, I promise we will give you several opportunities to give us your money, starting with the Rise of the Runelords Pathfinder Battles set, which is set for an August release and which contains 65 all-new figures.

Erik,

I’m not looking at any numbers, but how well has Heroes & Monsters sold for you? Was it sustainable, good or well beyond expectations? I didn’t include ‘bad’ or ‘poorly’ as you are talking about several opportunities to buy minis (beyond Rise of the Runelords) and assume that wouldn’t be brought up if the first set had poor sales.

Erik,

I’m not looking at any numbers, but how well has Heroes & Monsters sold for you? Was it sustainable, good or well beyond expectations? I didn’t include ‘bad’ or ‘poorly’ as you are talking about several opportunities to buy minis (beyond Rise of the Runelords) and assume that wouldn’t be brought up if the first set had poor sales.

Well, Erik hinted that he had greenlit a set list for the set after RotRL, and maybe even was working on the set beyond that (?)

So it sold well enough for that.

We are really pleased with the sales for Heroes & Monsters, and are currently working on three additional sets (with nebulous plans for more after that).

Hobbun wrote:

Erik,

I’m not looking at any numbers, but how well has Heroes & Monsters sold for you? Was it sustainable, good or well beyond expectations? I didn’t include ‘bad’ or ‘poorly’ as you are talking about several opportunities to buy minis (beyond Rise of the Runelords) and assume that wouldn’t be brought up if the first set had poor sales.

Well, Erik hinted that he had greenlit a set list for the set after RotRL, and maybe even was working on the set beyond that (?)

So it sold well enough for that.

Yes, that is a given.

But a company can continue with a line because it sells well, but it may not be a slam dunk.

I was just curious how well it sold compared to expectations. Was it just enough to continue, or well past it?

We are really pleased with the sales for Heroes & Monsters, and are currently working on three additional sets (with nebulous plans for more after that).

Thanks Erik.

I'll take 'currently working on three additional sets (with plans for more)' as selling well past expecations!

We are really pleased with the sales for Heroes & Monsters, and are currently working on three additional sets (with nebulous plans for more after that).

Meh. I prefer it when your plans are nefarious.

I was just curious how well it sold compared to expectations. Was it just enough to continue, or well past it?

WizKids and Paizo are both very happy with it.

I understand display packaging is useful for showing off a product on a store shelf, but I'd be happier to buy them if the packaging was mostly paper.

Display packaging *significantly* increases sales potential.

I'll also note that, even though WizKids didn't add a recyling indicator to the plastic on the first few sets, 100% of the packaging is recyclable. We've asked them to add the appropriate recycling indicator to any plastic packaging starting with Rise of the Runelords.

Digitalsabre wrote:

I understand display packaging is useful for showing off a product on a store shelf, but I'd be happier to buy them if the packaging was mostly paper.

Display packaging *significantly* increases sales potential.

I'll also note that, even though WizKids didn't add a recyling indicator to the plastic on the first few sets, 100% of the packaging is recyclable. We've asked them to add the appropriate recycling indicator to any plastic packaging starting with Rise of the Runelords.

That's huge. At my house, we put out 2-3 bins of recycling per week, and about half that in garbage. I noticed that none of the WizKids stuff had recycling indicators but threw it in anyways, hoping for the best.

All the better that they're doing the Right Thing from now on.

Personally, I don't care how huge the packaging is if it's all recyclable, espcially since using recycling reduces the energy expenditure over materials created from scratch.

So by all means, make the packages bigger so the sell better and we get MOAR MINIS!!111!1! :-)