paizo.com Recent Posts in Legendary Shifters (PFRPG) PDF Discussionpaizo.com Recent Posts in Legendary Shifters (PFRPG) PDF Discussion2022-05-19T20:06:16Z2022-05-19T20:06:16ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Legendary Shifters (PFRPG) PDFJanos1https://paizo.com/products/btpy9yzf/discuss?Legendary-Shifters#462022-11-23T21:34:38Z2022-11-23T21:34:38Z<p>I wish to Pre-face this with:</p>
<p>I am not trying to knock on this book, I just got it and I love everything about it except the Fairy Shifter, but beyond my following with that (hopefully someone can help with some of my thoughts and maybe show me I am wrong), this book is amazing work.</p>
<p>Ok, I want to play a Fey Shapeshifter, always have, However The Fairy Shifter seems to be a weaker version than the Progenitor Druid (or even a regular Druid since the Fey Form spell is on their list anyways), and especially at higher levels. I mean, it gives up the Bonus Feats that the Legendary Shifter gets (which are such an awesome add on) for a weaker spell casting as well as uses Charisma instead of Wisdom (losing out on some good Skills like Perception). This leads to a slower and more limited spell progression overall by only being a 6th level caster instead of 9th. It stays the same as the Progenitor Druid at 3/4 Bab and d8 HP with an Even Slower Fey Form progression (after Fey Form 2), with Fey form being at 11 instead of 10 and Fey Form 4, which at 17 instead or the 14 from Progenitor (or 15 for the spell).</p>
<p>Yes, it gets the ability to change to the form for longer periods (a Lot longer, which is very nice) and more frequently (unless Druid Casts the spell), but this is paid for by not being able to assume any other animal forms, which is something that the Druid does not lose. Yes, it will eventually beat it out for speed, but this is nothing that can't be taken care of by simply Multiclassing into the Feyform Shifter for 4 levels and then taking Shaping Focus and Shifter's Rush. This not only still gives you 8th Level Caster, but keeps your spell progression the same as the Fairy Shifter AND still goes to 8th level casting versus 6th. This also gives you more uses of Fey Form 1 (and if your DM allows Shaping focus with Shifter, Fey Form 2) than the Baseline Progenitor not using the Spell, otherwise could be even, while still keeping FeyForm 2 at only 1 level behind Legendary Shifter's. This brings the total uses about equal, just not as long or the ability to switch while shifted for free, which are both very nice as well if you need them.</p>
<p>This also gives you Full BaB for those 4 levels, so a smidge ahead the 3/4, plus access to the Fey Aspect, which is actually really nice with it's 20% miss chance (can be mixed in with the Moonlight stalker feat even for extra Attack and damage). Yes, the Bonus fangs and scaling Damage of the Claws and Fangs are also nice (as are the CR Bypasses for natural attacks), but with the right forms, they would not really out damage the attacks of the form, and Normal Shifter's Claws DR Bypasses work on their natural attacks as well.</p>
<p>I am not trying to knock Legendary's work as I think the Rest of the Class is amazing (as is their Kineticist, so I know they do great work), just seems like this one gave up to much only it weaker than a Progenitor (or Regular) Druid or a Multiclass Shifter/Druid. I am really hoping that I am missing something to prove me wrong, so if I missed anything in the above, please tell me. </p>
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<p>I have another question to ask, this one about the Metamorphic Genius. It says that they get the Alchemist's Alchemy feature, but does this include the Bombs, Mutagens, and Discoveries that go with? I am guessing not since the class is all about shapeshifting (and doing so before a regular Alchemist), but since Mutagens (and maybe some discoveries) alter the player as well, I thought I would ask</p>
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<p>Also, does the PrC advance all of the Base Shifter stuff (like the spells of the Fairy Shifter, or Alchemy of the Metamorphic Genius)? </p>
<p>Thank you for your time, and hopefully for any help.</p>I wish to Pre-face this with:
I am not trying to knock on this book, I just got it and I love everything about it except the Fairy Shifter, but beyond my following with that (hopefully someone can help with some of my thoughts and maybe show me I am wrong), this book is amazing work.
Ok, I want to play a Fey Shapeshifter, always have, However The Fairy Shifter seems to be a weaker version than the Progenitor Druid (or even a regular Druid since the Fey Form spell is on their list anyways),...Janos12022-11-23T21:34:38ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Legendary Shifters (PFRPG) PDFEndzeitgeisthttps://paizo.com/products/btpy9yzf/discuss?Legendary-Shifters#452018-10-31T13:41:25Z2018-10-31T13:41:25Z<p>RAW answers:</p>
<p>1) No, the lycanthropic warrior trades in defensive instinct and thus doesn't meet Morphic Berserker's prerequisites. Theoretically, if you get your hands on intelligent instinct, whimsical aura, or unsettling aura in some way, you may take the feat, as per the Special line's stipulations, but since they all replace defensive instinct, that is very much a stretch.
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2) There are only 7 feats in the book, many of which aim at multiclass functionality. LW qualifies for Animal Spirit, Miniature Reach.</p>
<p>Hope that helps!</p>RAW answers:
1) No, the lycanthropic warrior trades in defensive instinct and thus doesn't meet Morphic Berserker's prerequisites. Theoretically, if you get your hands on intelligent instinct, whimsical aura, or unsettling aura in some way, you may take the feat, as per the Special line's stipulations, but since they all replace defensive instinct, that is very much a stretch.
2) There are only 7 feats in the book, many of which aim at multiclass functionality. LW qualifies for Animal...Endzeitgeist2018-10-31T13:41:25ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Legendary Shifters (PFRPG) PDFSirTrottsalothttps://paizo.com/products/btpy9yzf/discuss?Legendary-Shifters#442018-10-31T05:00:14Z2018-10-31T05:00:14Z<p>Question:
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Does a Lycanthropic Warrior qualify for the Morphic Berserker feat?
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Or any of the feats in this book besides Animal Spirit?</p>Question:
Does a Lycanthropic Warrior qualify for the Morphic Berserker feat?
Or any of the feats in this book besides Animal Spirit?SirTrottsalot2018-10-31T05:00:14ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Legendary Shifters (PFRPG) PDFEndzeitgeisthttps://paizo.com/products/btpy9yzf/discuss?Legendary-Shifters#432018-10-01T17:29:39Z2018-10-01T17:16:43Z<p>Urgh, forgot Alexander Augunas' also really amazing shifter from Paranormal Adventures! Blame it on being tired from traveling...</p>Urgh, forgot Alexander Augunas' also really amazing shifter from Paranormal Adventures! Blame it on being tired from traveling...Endzeitgeist2018-10-01T17:16:43ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Legendary Shifters (PFRPG) PDFEndzeitgeisthttps://paizo.com/products/btpy9yzf/discuss?Legendary-Shifters#422018-10-01T15:11:14Z2018-10-01T15:11:14Z<p>Well, it depends; for shapechanging based on the spell-engine/established transmutation, nothing beats LG's shifter. If it had a few more engine-based shenanigans to modify them, it would have been the perfect shifter class in my book. As a person, I like classes doing unique things, so I do have a bit of a soft spot for IG's Animist and the shpeshifting tricks of Spheres of Power; the Liber Influxus Communis' Metamorph and AAW Games' Underterror do the eidolon-partial-shifter-engine pretty well. I also recall a couple of faceless man-style archetypes, but I'd have to search through my library/ask my players.</p>
<p>Hope that helps!</p>Well, it depends; for shapechanging based on the spell-engine/established transmutation, nothing beats LG's shifter. If it had a few more engine-based shenanigans to modify them, it would have been the perfect shifter class in my book. As a person, I like classes doing unique things, so I do have a bit of a soft spot for IG's Animist and the shpeshifting tricks of Spheres of Power; the Liber Influxus Communis' Metamorph and AAW Games' Underterror do the eidolon-partial-shifter-engine pretty...Endzeitgeist2018-10-01T15:11:14ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Legendary Shifters (PFRPG) PDFSilvercatMoonpawhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy9yzf/discuss?Legendary-Shifters#412018-10-01T12:01:33Z2018-10-01T12:01:33Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Endzeitgeist wrote:</div><blockquote> Reviewed first on endzeitgeist.com, then submitted to Nerdtrek and GMS magazine and posted here, on OBS, etc. </blockquote><p>So what shapeshifting class do you like the most?Endzeitgeist wrote:Reviewed first on endzeitgeist.com, then submitted to Nerdtrek and GMS magazine and posted here, on OBS, etc.
So what shapeshifting class do you like the most?SilvercatMoonpaw2018-10-01T12:01:33ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Legendary Shifters (PFRPG) PDFEndzeitgeisthttps://paizo.com/products/btpy9yzf/discuss?Legendary-Shifters#402018-10-01T10:00:37Z2018-10-01T10:00:37Z<p>Reviewed first on endzeitgeist.com, then submitted to Nerdtrek and GMS magazine and posted here, on OBS, etc.</p>Reviewed first on endzeitgeist.com, then submitted to Nerdtrek and GMS magazine and posted here, on OBS, etc.Endzeitgeist2018-10-01T10:00:37ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Legendary Shifters (PFRPG) PDFJason Nelson (Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4, Legendary Games)https://paizo.com/products/btpy9yzf/discuss?Legendary-Shifters#392018-09-19T00:08:51Z2018-09-19T00:08:51Z<p>Thanks to everybody for taking the time to review this book - we're delighted by the response to it and hope you all continue to enjoy it!</p>Thanks to everybody for taking the time to review this book - we're delighted by the response to it and hope you all continue to enjoy it!Jason Nelson (Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4, Legendary Games)2018-09-19T00:08:51ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Legendary Shifters (PFRPG) PDFBarachiel Shinahttps://paizo.com/products/btpy9yzf/discuss?Legendary-Shifters#382018-05-18T09:16:44Z2018-05-17T23:01:12Z<p>Can Paizo just link to this version of Shifter and completely make theirs obsolete? Especially since they stopped working on fixing the Shifter entirely now.</p>Can Paizo just link to this version of Shifter and completely make theirs obsolete? Especially since they stopped working on fixing the Shifter entirely now.Barachiel Shina2018-05-17T23:01:12ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Legendary Shifters (PFRPG) PDFN. Jollyhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy9yzf/discuss?Legendary-Shifters#372018-05-24T00:38:26Z2018-05-17T20:34:54Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Archon Tom wrote:</div><blockquote><p> I really want to like this, but it really does seem overpowered. At level 1 a Legendary Shifter has 3 natural attacks each doing 1d6 + Str mod damage, all at full attack bonus (so 3d6 + 3 Str mod total).
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Compare this to a fighter with a greatsword doing 2d6 + 1.5 Str mod damage. The shifter is easily out-fighting the fighter, without even needing a weapon! And this is before even considering the cool array of shapeshifting powers the shifter gets.
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I prefer the way the shapeshifting works in this version, but unless I'm overlooking something I don't see why anyone would ever play a fighter next to these guys. </blockquote><p>This is a reasonable concern, but the thing is, that's just natural attacks in general. It's not even a little difficult for any build to gain 3 natural attacks to start. There's plenty of races (such as catfolk, tiefling, ratfolk with a feat, a large swath of skinwalkers) that can gain claws very easily, along with taking traits to gain a bite attack. The idea of gaining this many natural attacks can be done without limits rather than how the legendary shifter is limited to only being able to get them in specific forms and for limited amounts of time per day.
<p>Races that can do that don't even require class levels to do this, allowing them to be fighters and do the same thing you're stating here. You also have to consider that these natural attacks need 3 different attack rolls to connect to put out that kind of damage; this skewes them closer to average damage rather than the greatsword, which is far more swingy.</p>
<p>This is also considering that manufactured weapons are far more easily enhanced and can benefit from special materials. Single weapons also benefit more from power attack and deal more damage with attacks of opportunity, as well as being easier to augment with feats (taking weapon focus: greatsword is easier than taking two different weapon focuses for claws and bite, as well as feats like improved critical and such, benefiting a singular weapon more than natural attacks).</p>
<p>As to why anyone would ever play a fighter against this, the same question could be brought up against the majority of full BAB classes, especially things like barbarian, paladin, ranger, slayer, bloodrager, and avenger vigilante. I recognize that you may have a standard for the fighter in the sense of its power and importance, but the game design as a whole has passed it by (and yes, I am considering advanced weapon training in this statement), and having this class be held back by the fighter's power level would have resulted in a project that wasn't up to my standards or legendary game's standards.</p>
<p>Natural attacks are a powerful style of combat, and early they may seem overpowered, but for the most part, the numbers even out more and more as you go later into things. I won't say that the legendary shifter isn't more powerful than a fighter, as I do believe it is, but the primary selling point of the class isn't intended to be damage, it's versatility (another thing at which it beats the fighter). It's the legendary games way to try and bring others up to par rather than lowering something to a point where it's less fun to play, as seen by the rebuild of the fighter class, a class which is very much closer in line with the legendary shifter.</p>
<p>Sure, you can consider this power creep, but at a certain point, older content needs to be boosted to reach the standard that new content has reached (vigilante basically being rogue+++) in order to keep those older concepts as viable as they were when the game started. That's always been my intended goal, but as always, it's up to others to decide if that goal has been reached.</p>
<p>I appreciate your feedback here though, as it does let me know the concerns of building things like this and the possible issues that may occur because of it.</p>Archon Tom wrote:I really want to like this, but it really does seem overpowered. At level 1 a Legendary Shifter has 3 natural attacks each doing 1d6 + Str mod damage, all at full attack bonus (so 3d6 + 3 Str mod total).
Compare this to a fighter with a greatsword doing 2d6 + 1.5 Str mod damage. The shifter is easily out-fighting the fighter, without even needing a weapon! And this is before even considering the cool array of shapeshifting powers the shifter gets.
I prefer the way the...N. Jolly2018-05-17T20:34:54ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Legendary Shifters (PFRPG) PDFSilvercatMoonpawhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy9yzf/discuss?Legendary-Shifters#362018-05-17T11:48:03Z2018-05-17T11:48:03Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Archon Tom wrote:</div><blockquote> I prefer the way the shapeshifting works in this version, but unless I'm overlooking something I don't see why anyone would ever play a fighter next to these guys. </blockquote><p>The question always is: Is that the fault of the other class, or the fault of the Fighter class?Archon Tom wrote:I prefer the way the shapeshifting works in this version, but unless I'm overlooking something I don't see why anyone would ever play a fighter next to these guys.
The question always is: Is that the fault of the other class, or the fault of the Fighter class?SilvercatMoonpaw2018-05-17T11:48:03ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Legendary Shifters (PFRPG) PDFArchon Tomhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy9yzf/discuss?Legendary-Shifters#352018-05-17T09:39:38Z2018-05-17T09:39:38Z<p>I really want to like this, but it really does seem overpowered. At level 1 a Legendary Shifter has 3 natural attacks each doing 1d6 + Str mod damage, all at full attack bonus (so 3d6 + 3 Str mod total).
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Compare this to a fighter with a greatsword doing 2d6 + 1.5 Str mod damage. The shifter is easily out-fighting the fighter, without even needing a weapon! And this is before even considering the cool array of shapeshifting powers the shifter gets.
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I prefer the way the shapeshifting works in this version, but unless I'm overlooking something I don't see why anyone would ever play a fighter next to these guys.</p>I really want to like this, but it really does seem overpowered. At level 1 a Legendary Shifter has 3 natural attacks each doing 1d6 + Str mod damage, all at full attack bonus (so 3d6 + 3 Str mod total).
Compare this to a fighter with a greatsword doing 2d6 + 1.5 Str mod damage. The shifter is easily out-fighting the fighter, without even needing a weapon! And this is before even considering the cool array of shapeshifting powers the shifter gets.
I prefer the way the shapeshifting works in...Archon Tom2018-05-17T09:39:38ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Legendary Shifters (PFRPG) PDFJason Nelson (Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4, Legendary Games)https://paizo.com/products/btpy9yzf/discuss?Legendary-Shifters#342018-04-10T20:12:14Z2018-04-10T20:12:14Z<p>We may yet revisit the class - it's certainly proven popular, in the Top Ten Downloads here at Paizo every week since its release! Right now, though, the cavalier and barbarian are next in line to get the Legendary treatment!</p>We may yet revisit the class - it's certainly proven popular, in the Top Ten Downloads here at Paizo every week since its release! Right now, though, the cavalier and barbarian are next in line to get the Legendary treatment!Jason Nelson (Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4, Legendary Games)2018-04-10T20:12:14ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Legendary Shifters (PFRPG) PDFEric Hinklehttps://paizo.com/products/btpy9yzf/discuss?Legendary-Shifters#332018-04-10T01:41:59Z2018-04-10T01:41:59Z<p>Let me say again that if we can get a Legendary Shifters 2 with coverage of the Verdant Shifter archetype, I'd be delighted. I've been trying to figure out how to do it myself but nothing really satisfies me.</p>Let me say again that if we can get a Legendary Shifters 2 with coverage of the Verdant Shifter archetype, I'd be delighted. I've been trying to figure out how to do it myself but nothing really satisfies me.Eric Hinkle2018-04-10T01:41:59ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Legendary Shifters (PFRPG) PDFPlayer Killer (alias of Brainiac58)https://paizo.com/products/btpy9yzf/discuss?Legendary-Shifters#322018-03-29T03:03:54Z2018-03-29T03:03:54Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">N. Jolly wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Player Killer wrote:</div><blockquote> I just posted my review (Brainiac58) here and on Amazon. I also picked up the paperback version to go along with the PDF. Great work Jason and N. Jolly! </blockquote>Very much appreciated; I've been having quite a few people talk to me about things they'd like to see in a Legendary Shifters 2, and with this one doing rather well, I think that's a conversation I'd be willing to have. If we do a sequel book, it's going to support the base shifter as well, at least as much as I can, as I'd like to expand things. There's a good chance I'll be doing a small conversion doc for how to use the Leg Shifter archetypes with the original shifter. </blockquote><p>I would buy a Legendary Shifters 2 in a heartbeat! I'd love to see your take on the Rageshaper (The Hulk is one of my favorite heroes and I'd love to play a Pathfinder version) and your take on the Fiendish Shifter (and/or possibly an Angelic Shifter). Keeping my fingers crossed for a follow to the LG!N. Jolly wrote:Player Killer wrote: I just posted my review (Brainiac58) here and on Amazon. I also picked up the paperback version to go along with the PDF. Great work Jason and N. Jolly!
Very much appreciated; I've been having quite a few people talk to me about things they'd like to see in a Legendary Shifters 2, and with this one doing rather well, I think that's a conversation I'd be willing to have. If we do a sequel book, it's going to support the base shifter as well, at least as...Player Killer (alias of Brainiac58)2018-03-29T03:03:54ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Legendary Shifters (PFRPG) PDFN. Jollyhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy9yzf/discuss?Legendary-Shifters#312018-05-05T17:12:34Z2018-03-28T14:00:19Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Player Killer wrote:</div><blockquote> I just posted my review (Brainiac58) here and on Amazon. I also picked up the paperback version to go along with the PDF. Great work Jason and N. Jolly! </blockquote><p>Very much appreciated; I've been having quite a few people talk to me about things they'd like to see in a Legendary Shifters 2, and with this one doing rather well, I think that's a conversation I'd be willing to have. If we do a sequel book, it's going to support the base shifter as well, at least as much as I can, as I'd like to expand things. There's a good chance I'll be doing a small conversion doc for how to use the Leg Shifter archetypes with the original shifter.Player Killer wrote:I just posted my review (Brainiac58) here and on Amazon. I also picked up the paperback version to go along with the PDF. Great work Jason and N. Jolly!
Very much appreciated; I've been having quite a few people talk to me about things they'd like to see in a Legendary Shifters 2, and with this one doing rather well, I think that's a conversation I'd be willing to have. If we do a sequel book, it's going to support the base shifter as well, at least as much as I can, as...N. Jolly2018-03-28T14:00:19ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Legendary Shifters (PFRPG) PDFPlayer Killer (alias of Brainiac58)https://paizo.com/products/btpy9yzf/discuss?Legendary-Shifters#302018-03-26T23:34:45Z2018-03-26T23:34:45Z<p>I just posted my review (Brainiac58) here and on Amazon. I also picked up the paperback version to go along with the PDF. Great work Jason and N. Jolly!</p>I just posted my review (Brainiac58) here and on Amazon. I also picked up the paperback version to go along with the PDF. Great work Jason and N. Jolly!Player Killer (alias of Brainiac58)2018-03-26T23:34:45ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Legendary Shifters (PFRPG) PDFN. Jollyhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy9yzf/discuss?Legendary-Shifters#292018-05-05T23:55:01Z2018-03-05T19:03:48Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Eric Hinkle wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Thanks N. Jolly for setting me straight.</p>
<p>And I just re-posted my review for this PDF on both Amazon and DriveThru. </blockquote><p>Very much appreciated, the more we can cross post reviews, the more coverage we can get this fun project.Eric Hinkle wrote:Thanks N. Jolly for setting me straight.
And I just re-posted my review for this PDF on both Amazon and DriveThru.
Very much appreciated, the more we can cross post reviews, the more coverage we can get this fun project.N. Jolly2018-03-05T19:03:48ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Legendary Shifters (PFRPG) PDFJason Nelson (Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4, Legendary Games)https://paizo.com/products/btpy9yzf/discuss?Legendary-Shifters#282018-03-05T08:24:15Z2018-03-05T08:24:15Z<p>Thanks to all three of our fantastic reviewers for taking the time to leave us your detailed thoughts! Thanks also to the fans for pushing this book into the top three most popular downloads on Paizo the last several weeks. Let's see if we can knock off the Valkyries next week and rocket to NUMBER ONE!</p>Thanks to all three of our fantastic reviewers for taking the time to leave us your detailed thoughts! Thanks also to the fans for pushing this book into the top three most popular downloads on Paizo the last several weeks. Let's see if we can knock off the Valkyries next week and rocket to NUMBER ONE!Jason Nelson (Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4, Legendary Games)2018-03-05T08:24:15ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Legendary Shifters (PFRPG) PDFEric Hinklehttps://paizo.com/products/btpy9yzf/discuss?Legendary-Shifters#272018-03-01T02:39:47Z2018-03-01T02:39:47Z<p>Thanks N. Jolly for setting me straight.</p>
<p>And I just re-posted my review for this PDF on both Amazon and DriveThru.</p>Thanks N. Jolly for setting me straight.
And I just re-posted my review for this PDF on both Amazon and DriveThru.Eric Hinkle2018-03-01T02:39:47ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Legendary Shifters (PFRPG) PDFN. Jollyhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy9yzf/discuss?Legendary-Shifters#262018-03-01T02:38:54Z2018-02-28T20:50:26Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Eric Hinkle wrote:</div><blockquote> Something I just noticed: the Legendary Shifter doesn't get an increasing uses of shifter shape per day, unlike the UW Shifter who gets more uses starting at level 6 and increasing every two levels from then (2 uses at 6th level, 3 at 8th, etc.). Was this intentional or did I just notice an error? </blockquote><p>That's actually correct; the L Shifter gets an increasing duration rather than additional uses. As written it the class feature, it's 1/2 level + Wis mod hours per day. Funny how the revised shifter also when to hours per day just as this was being released.Eric Hinkle wrote:Something I just noticed: the Legendary Shifter doesn't get an increasing uses of shifter shape per day, unlike the UW Shifter who gets more uses starting at level 6 and increasing every two levels from then (2 uses at 6th level, 3 at 8th, etc.). Was this intentional or did I just notice an error?
That's actually correct; the L Shifter gets an increasing duration rather than additional uses. As written it the class feature, it's 1/2 level + Wis mod hours per day. Funny how...N. Jolly2018-02-28T20:50:26ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Legendary Shifters (PFRPG) PDFEric Hinklehttps://paizo.com/products/btpy9yzf/discuss?Legendary-Shifters#252018-02-28T18:35:35Z2018-02-28T18:34:53Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Jason Nelson wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Eric Hinkle wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">N. Jolly wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Shub-Niggurath's cousin Al wrote:</div><blockquote> Bought it and downloaded it, will put up a review at some point. </blockquote><p>Awesome, glad to hear it! Please let me know what you think of it, as if this does end up getting popular enough, I'd love to see what people would like to see from a second book. I have quite a few talented writers who are interested in hitting me up about a sequel at the moment.
<p>And to anyone reviewing this, if you can, please cross post your review on open gaming store, amazon, and drivethru RPG. It helps us out and makes sure that the word is spread about this project. </blockquote>Don't you have to buy the PDF on Drivethru to be able to post a review there? </blockquote>You do, but if you bought it elsewhere let me know at <b>makeyourgamelegendary@gmail.com</b> and I can gift you a complimentary copy through their system as well, which makes you an authorized purchaser so you can leave a review. </blockquote><p>Will do.
<p>And please pardon my asking again, but may I get an answer to my question about whether or not the Legendary Shifter gets more than one use of 'shifter shape' per day?</p>Jason Nelson wrote:Eric Hinkle wrote: N. Jolly wrote: Shub-Niggurath's cousin Al wrote: Bought it and downloaded it, will put up a review at some point.
Awesome, glad to hear it! Please let me know what you think of it, as if this does end up getting popular enough, I'd love to see what people would like to see from a second book. I have quite a few talented writers who are interested in hitting me up about a sequel at the moment. And to anyone reviewing this, if you can, please cross post...Eric Hinkle2018-02-28T18:34:53ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Legendary Shifters (PFRPG) PDFJason Nelson (Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4, Legendary Games)https://paizo.com/products/btpy9yzf/discuss?Legendary-Shifters#242018-02-28T18:33:38Z2018-02-26T00:06:03Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Eric Hinkle wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">N. Jolly wrote:</div><blockquote> <div class="messageboard-quotee">Shub-Niggurath's cousin Al wrote:</div><blockquote> Bought it and downloaded it, will put up a review at some point. </blockquote><p>Awesome, glad to hear it! Please let me know what you think of it, as if this does end up getting popular enough, I'd love to see what people would like to see from a second book. I have quite a few talented writers who are interested in hitting me up about a sequel at the moment.
<p>And to anyone reviewing this, if you can, please cross post your review on open gaming store, amazon, and drivethru RPG. It helps us out and makes sure that the word is spread about this project. </blockquote>Don't you have to buy the PDF on Drivethru to be able to post a review there? </blockquote><p>You do, but if you bought it elsewhere let me know at <b>makeyourgamelegendary@gmail.com</b> and I can gift you a complimentary copy through their system as well, which makes you an authorized purchaser so you can leave a review.Eric Hinkle wrote:N. Jolly wrote: Shub-Niggurath's cousin Al wrote: Bought it and downloaded it, will put up a review at some point.
Awesome, glad to hear it! Please let me know what you think of it, as if this does end up getting popular enough, I'd love to see what people would like to see from a second book. I have quite a few talented writers who are interested in hitting me up about a sequel at the moment. And to anyone reviewing this, if you can, please cross post your review on open...Jason Nelson (Contributor, RPG Superstar 2008 Top 4, Legendary Games)2018-02-26T00:06:03ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Legendary Shifters (PFRPG) PDFEric Hinklehttps://paizo.com/products/btpy9yzf/discuss?Legendary-Shifters#232018-02-25T16:22:28Z2018-02-25T16:22:28Z<p>Something I just noticed: the Legendary Shifter doesn't get an increasing uses of shifter shape per day, unlike the UW Shifter who gets more uses starting at level 6 and increasing every two levels from then (2 uses at 6th level, 3 at 8th, etc.). Was this intentional or did I just notice an error?</p>Something I just noticed: the Legendary Shifter doesn't get an increasing uses of shifter shape per day, unlike the UW Shifter who gets more uses starting at level 6 and increasing every two levels from then (2 uses at 6th level, 3 at 8th, etc.). Was this intentional or did I just notice an error?Eric Hinkle2018-02-25T16:22:28ZRe: Forums: Product Discussion: Legendary Shifters (PFRPG) PDFN. Jollyhttps://paizo.com/products/btpy9yzf/discuss?Legendary-Shifters#222018-05-05T23:55:08Z2018-02-09T15:35:43Z<div class="messageboard-quotee">Eric Hinkle wrote:</div><blockquote>Don't you have to buy the PDF on Drivethru to be able to post a review there? </blockquote><p>On drivethru, yeah. It's honestly why I pick up all my stuff over there, since I can cross post the review everywhere. It might be worth asking if you can get a copy through there, since I know reviews there are really helpful.
<div class="messageboard-quotee">Shub-Niggurath's cousin Al wrote:</div><blockquote><p> Review is up!</p>
<p>EDIT: Realized I accidentally wrote "ass" instead of "all" and "S%++er" instead of "Shifter" in places, so that's fixed now. This is why you don't write reviews when sleep-deprived, it makes you seem more foulmouthed than you intend to. </blockquote><p>Very much appreciated, and yeah, I ended up doing the latter of those two typos a lot when doing the first draft. It's just so close together. I'm seriously glad that people are enjoying this redesign as much as they are, as I did my best to see what issues people had with the class and work to make something that better encapsulated what people wanted from this concept. I went pouring over threads from people who wanted changes, seeing what they wanted, reading over other people's rebuilds, and discussing it with quite a few of them to make sure that what I put out was going to be what the concept deserved. This project involved a lot of research, as I looked up Master of Many Forms as well as Master Transmogrist (?) from 3.5 and anything else I could find that had the same concept. The original class in playtest wasn't that different from the base class, but the playtest helped push things along (totally don't use those to mine for ideas, not even a little), as it was the suggestion of others that lead to the hour duration for the class's shifting (it appears Paizo thought it was a good idea too).
<p>In the end, Siobhan and I decided on a lot of things to make the class more unique, and the archetypes were some of the most fun design I've done in a while, especially the mimickin. It feel like there's still a lot of space to explore with this version of the shifter, and if the demand is great enough, I'll certainly be interested in making a sequel to this with a few friends who I didn't get to include initially.</p>Eric Hinkle wrote:Don't you have to buy the PDF on Drivethru to be able to post a review there?
On drivethru, yeah. It's honestly why I pick up all my stuff over there, since I can cross post the review everywhere. It might be worth asking if you can get a copy through there, since I know reviews there are really helpful. Shub-Niggurath's cousin Al wrote: Review is up!
EDIT: Realized I accidentally wrote "ass" instead of "all" and "S%++er" instead of "Shifter" in places, so that's fixed...N. Jolly2018-02-09T15:35:43Z