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Pathfinder Player Companion: Blood of the Coven (PFRPG)

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Are You a Good Witch? Or a Bad Witch?

Wizards may wield studied spells and clerics pray to the gods themselves, but witchcraft—wild, untamed, perilous—is the magic of the common folk, with all the desperation and danger that implies. Embodied by hags and their half-blood daughters, changelings, witchcraft has always been one of the broadest, most potent, and most misunderstood forces of magic... until now. Learn the dark rituals and curses witchcraft empowers, and the good it stands to do in the world as well.

Inside this book you'll find:

  • An examination of the changeling race, including changeling covens, enhanced hag heritage, and specific rules for the 10 subraces of changelings, depending on their hag mothers.
  • New hag- and witchcraft-focused archetypes for a variety of classes, including bloodragers, clerics, investigators, and witches.
  • New curse spells and magic rituals employed by witches, as well as curse-related feats to help adventurers get the most out of a bad day.

This Pathfinder Player Companion is intended for use with the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game and the Pathfinder campaign setting, but it can easily be incorporated into any fantasy world.

ISBN-13: 978-1-60125-982-0

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Calling a rules option "hot garbage" is not "impossible," it's simply very impolite. If devs feel like they are wandering into hostile territory populated with people looking for a fight, it stands to reason they're going to avoid those people, and those conversations.

Please try to be a bit more considerate. If you're looking for a fun debate on the merits of a class feature, and you're interested in having the people who made, developed, or edited that class feature take part in that debate, you're better off taking a more respectful tact, even if the rules element in question is something you dislike or disagree with.

Pretty simple.


QuidEst wrote:
Pounce wrote:
Is it the intent that the patron themes are making hexes available to archetypes that do away with hexes entirely, such as the White-Haired Witch or the Havocker? It seems to read that way, based on the fact that you get access to it through the patron class feature, which none of those two archetypes alter..
If you've traded the feature away entirely, I definitely recommend checking with your GM.

Seems like that tends to be the answer to a lot of my questions, haha :)


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I'm pretty happy with most of the book. It answers a couple of burning questions I've had about changelings, like what exactly it means when it says that changelings are "always female" (and cool to see the mention of masculine-identifying changelings). I could see myself playing or recommending most of the archetypes (the Putrefactor is really cool!), though not sure about the Malice Binder yet.

While flavorful, my main concern is that it seems like it would be hard to keep Fetter DCs high enough to matter without sacrificing the multiple non-Charisma stats I need as an Investigator. Also not sure how exactly the traps are supposed to work (how often can I use them? Are they also charisma based, or wisdom based like for a Ranger?). Would appreciate some clarification or insight there.

I could probably be sold on the archetype though, if anyone has some tips for building one or sees something I don't. After all, I wasn't sure about the entire Hunter class until a month ago when someone brought an amazing one to my table.


Are Cruel Child and Switched at Birth intended to be Race Traits? They are labeled as Racial Traits.


Enjoying a lot of the flavor elements and very happy to have the different heritages....also some very nice feats....

I'm disappointed in the Bloodrager Bloodline and the Hag Riven....and still digesting the others Archetypes....


Just started reading and the slag may's (annis hag changeling) is... weird?
It contains this "Their frames encourage give them an advantage
when performing..." and it talks about their healthy physique, hard day's work in the sun and physical work, when they have a penalty to constitution.

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They have a bonus to Strength. And the full text is “athletic displays and physical labor”, which Strength helps with.


This book is full of awesome lore. I love reading these books!

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Huh. I thought my shout out to Crystal was well thought out...but I do like the expanded Patron stuff.

Like I said previously, this book is a great mix of a racial book (Changelings) and classes (Witch)

So thank you Crystal and the rest of the contributors!


The description talks about how witchcraft is 'the magic of the common folk'. Is there anything in the book that works with this? Like, say, how more academic spellcasters like wizards, magi, and alchemists react to witches?

The Exchange

According to page.29 "Take a Bit More (Ex): At 8th level, .......He gains Quick StealAPG as a bonus feat......"

But Quick Steal is a feat appear to UC.
Does this just a writing mistake? Or not give Quick Steal as a bonus feat but another one?


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Am I to understand all the patrons in this book are new? If that's correct, then an archetype like Winter Witch, w/ already defined patron limitations, wouldn't be able to use any of them. Is that right?

Edited to replace PrC w/ archetype.


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That is not correct. You can have specific winter patrons. Maybe Jack Frost (or whomever) gave you some of his magic.


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Ixos wrote:
That is not correct. You can have specific winter patrons. Maybe Jack Frost (or whomever) gave you some of his magic.

Either I'm not understanding you, or the Witch class is so new to me, I'm not understanding the patron system. When I look up the archetype of the winter witch, I find 14 acceptable patrons:

ancestors, deception, enchantment, endurance, moon, occult, portents, stars, transformation, trickery, water, winter, or wisdom (vengeance sh/b excluded b/c of spells w/ the fire descriptor, according to d20PFSRD).

I realize winter is 1 of the acceptable (and obvious) patrons for this archetype. Are you saying this book presents specific individuals as patrons (like your example of Jack Frost), which thus differs from the "concept", generic patrons prior to this book? And thus there are to be found patrons from the list above??


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Ah.

So there are a couple of new patrons in the book. Rot, for example, would not be appropriate for a Winter Witch.

There are also new specific patrons, like Fey Gifts, which represent potent fey creatures that bargain with people for witchcraft. These specific patrons modify the spell lists of a sub-set of Patrons like "ancestors, deception, enchantment, endurance, moon, occult, portents, stars, transformation, trickery, water, winter, or wisdom" to better represent the nature of magical bargains with powerful fey. They also grant a particular hex and a corresponding bane.

In my example of Fey Gifts, Winter is one of the Patrons you can choose. So if you chose it you get the spells granted by Winter modified by its fey origins. You also sign up for the fey f$%#ing with you for its own amusement because that is how they roll.

So while you could be a Winter Witch and use the new specific patron system as long as the base Patron was appropriate, the new Patrons, like Rot, are not added to the list of acceptable Winter Witch options.

Does that clarify things?

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Ixos wrote:


There are also new specific patrons, like Fey Gifts, which represent potent fey creatures that bargain with people for witchcraft. These specific patrons modify the spell lists of a sub-set of Patrons like "ancestors, deception, enchantment, endurance, moon, occult, portents, stars, transformation, trickery, water, winter, or wisdom" to better represent the nature of magical bargains with powerful fey. They also grant a particular hex and a corresponding bane.

My read is that those hexes are in addition to the normal hex gained at level one, balancing out the bane.


Yep. I definitely was not saying otherwise.

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dragon singer wrote:

According to page.29 "Take a Bit More (Ex): At 8th level, .......He gains Quick StealAPG as a bonus feat......"

But Quick Steal is a feat appear to UC.
Does this just a writing mistake? Or not give Quick Steal as a bonus feat but another one?

Just a typo, the archetype gives other steal based abilities. They get Quick Steal.


I got the book and I totally love it!

But, I have a non native speaker question about changeling names.

I have googled "may" as all the changelings breeds are called: "hearth may", etc.

The most satisfying meaning I could find was one type of flower. Is there any additional meaning to this word, colloquial or something that escapes me or are just named as flowers?

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I believe (this was mentioned somewhere else on the thread but I don’t feel like digging for it cause I’m lazy :3) that “may” is an archaic word for “maiden”, for example the Swan May.

Dark Archive

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My only bummer so far is that my Blood of the Coven physical copy has to wait until order ships with Ultimate Wilderness because budget and I'm not on the Companion subscription path also because budget.

Still eagerly awaiting this item, because I think it has the missing pieces I need for not one, but TWO characters I'm trying to put together, now that I think about it!

Kileanna: Might it have something to do with swanmay and swanmaidens, perhaps tied into the First World?

No idea, just stabbing in the dark?


Rysky wrote:
I believe (this was mentioned somewhere else on the thread but I don’t feel like digging for it cause I’m lazy :3) that “may” is an archaic word for “maiden”, for example the Swan May.

Correct, it means Maid or Maiden ;)


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Ixos wrote:
stuff

That was a perfect explanation, thank you very much. I'm even more excited about this book now.


nighttree wrote:
Rysky wrote:
I believe (this was mentioned somewhere else on the thread but I don’t feel like digging for it cause I’m lazy :3) that “may” is an archaic word for “maiden”, for example the Swan May.
Correct, it means Maid or Maiden ;)

Thanks for answering my super stupid question! These are the kind of obvious things that a non native speaker finds confusing.

Somehow being a callow may perfectly suits Kileanna xD

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Kileanna wrote:
nighttree wrote:
Rysky wrote:
I believe (this was mentioned somewhere else on the thread but I don’t feel like digging for it cause I’m lazy :3) that “may” is an archaic word for “maiden”, for example the Swan May.
Correct, it means Maid or Maiden ;)

Thanks for answering my super stupid question! These are the kind of obvious things that a non native speaker finds confusing.

Somehow being a callow may perfectly suits Kileanna xD

Don’t beat yourself up, it wasn’t a stupid question at all. I didn’t get the connection either till it was mentioned in this thread.


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No question is dumb as long as it's presented in a reasonable fashion.

Also I didn't realize about May until someone pointed it out too. I just didn't think much of it until then.


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Kileanna wrote:
nighttree wrote:
Rysky wrote:
I believe (this was mentioned somewhere else on the thread but I don’t feel like digging for it cause I’m lazy :3) that “may” is an archaic word for “maiden”, for example the Swan May.
Correct, it means Maid or Maiden ;)
Thanks for answering my super stupid question! These are the kind of obvious things that a non native speaker finds confusing.

I suspect that most native English speakers wouldn't know that usage. My head is just filled with all sorts of random bits of information that occasionally turn out to be useful.

Dark Archive

What happens to a male witch who takes the Hagbound archetype when they reach 20th level?

Dark Archive

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Not sure what the wording is(going to be waiting a little while), but perhaps an apotheosis of some sort?

Dark Archive

Wei Ji the Learner wrote:


Not sure what the wording is(going to be waiting a little while), but perhaps an apotheosis of some sort?

Hagbound:

Hag Transformation: at 20th level the hagbound transforms into a true hag, purging all goodness and light from her in exchange for dark power. Her alignment becomes evil if it isn't already. Her type changes to monstrous humanoid, and she gains darkvision 60ft; immunity to charm, fear, and spell effects; and the ability to join a coven. She gains spell resistance 31, and she grants this benefit to her other coven members.

The archetype does not list being female or a changeling as a requirement.

Dark Archive

I acquired my copy yesterday.

Dark Archive

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Given that 20 is end-game for most campaigns, I suspect that's the point where they truly eschew any connection to their former mortal life, then?

I find it very fascinating.


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My guess is they turn into a hag regardless of gender.


Rysky wrote:
Kileanna wrote:
nighttree wrote:
Rysky wrote:
I believe (this was mentioned somewhere else on the thread but I don’t feel like digging for it cause I’m lazy :3) that “may” is an archaic word for “maiden”, for example the Swan May.
Correct, it means Maid or Maiden ;)

Thanks for answering my super stupid question! These are the kind of obvious things that a non native speaker finds confusing.

Somehow being a callow may perfectly suits Kileanna xD

Don’t beat yourself up, it wasn’t a stupid question at all. I didn’t get the connection either till it was mentioned in this thread.

If it matters....even most Americans wouldn't know this. It's very much a Gaelic/UK thing ;)


DragonBlood472 wrote:
Wei Ji the Learner wrote:


Not sure what the wording is(going to be waiting a little while), but perhaps an apotheosis of some sort?

** spoiler omitted **

The archetype does not list being female or a changeling as a requirement.

Well it does repeatedly use the female pronoun....so it's a valid question ;)


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I think it's safe to read he or she as the default gender without presuming it genders anyone in particular.

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