This is sounding like it will be my favorite "Blood of" book.....can't wait to get my copy :P
So is the Hag riven an archetype ? a bloodline ? or are both involved ?
There's a Hag bloodline and the Hag-Riven archetype.
Excellent :)
*wonders if Luthorne is going to show up...*Still waiting on my copy to ship, but I am keeping an eye on the thread. Some interesting-sounding material, at least.
Yep, me too. Being patient can be difficult! :/ Really want to see the Agendas now...
Same. I have a Hedge Witch/Hex Channeler that would LOVE the Celestial One for Healing.
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Super interested in the spiritualist archetype. Does the Hag phantom act as the spiritualists patron? Is it still a spontaneous caster (just arcane now)? Do they get any interaction with the traditional witch patron mechanics? Thanks for any hints :)
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Well, the Foxfire Lantern is quite interesting...
Yes, I have it! :)
That's what I meant by coincidence, yes. Just using the same suffix without an intentional connection. But they could've also been thinking of swanmays, which is why I wondered.
Ok, I see what you meant. It wouldn't surprise me if that was the sequence of inspiration.
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I truly think this will be one of the best Companion's in a while based solely on the fact it improves witchcraft as a whole.
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I was excited by the Malice Binder when I saw the description...it's the Investigator archetype. Not certain what to think now that I see it...
It is very original, IMO.
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I was excited by the Malice Binder when I saw the description...it's the Investigator archetype. Not certain what to think now that I see it...
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It is very original, IMO.
When I wrote it, I really had the witch hunter from Warlock in mind. Not 100% sure it made it through in translation but that's what I was hoping for. Fun classic movie if you've not seen it.
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Warlock is an under-rated movie. :)
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When I wrote it, I really had the witch hunter from Warlock in mind. Not 100% sure it made it through in translation but that's what I was hoping for. Fun classic movie if you've not seen it.I was excited by the Malice Binder when I saw the description...it's the Investigator archetype. Not certain what to think now that I see it...
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It is very original, IMO.
*adds to viewing list*
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I recommend it simply because even though it's clearly an 80s movie, much of the motif involved clearly comes from old world traditions and/or Catholic Church's stuff.
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I recommend it simply because even though it's clearly an 80s movie, much of the motif involved clearly comes from old world traditions and/or Catholic Church's stuff.
You should probably skip the sequels. Well, Warlock 3 has it's moments in that it's just so bad. =)
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When I wrote it, I really had the witch hunter from Warlock in mind. Not 100% sure it made it through in translation but that's what I was hoping for. Fun classic movie if you've not seen it.I was excited by the Malice Binder when I saw the description...it's the Investigator archetype. Not certain what to think now that I see it...
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It is very original, IMO.
Warlock's a great movie. I enjoyed how it took what should have been an utterly ridiculous idea (a time-traveling Satanic sorcerer and the man hunting him) and made a very good horror movie out of it.
What are the changes for the sea hag born changeling?** spoiler omitted **
'Awaken their hag heritage'? What is that, and how does a Changeling go about doing it?
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All this talk about Warlock makes me want to roll up a female human Witch Killer named Cassandra Withakay.
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Lissa,
Trust me, after I tried watching the second one with Sands, I skipped the third. The first is the only one that counts. Sort of like Highlander.
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Hmm. One nice thing about the modified patrons is that it seems like they allow any archetype that trades away low-level hexes (but not patron) to still get access to a hex at first level to start taking them with feats. (That's good, because two of the archetypes would otherwise have to wait until 6th or 8th for their first hex.)
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'Awaken their hag heritage'? What is that, and how does a Changeling go about doing it?What are the changes for the sea hag born changeling?** spoiler omitted **
You take the Awakened Hag Heritage feat, which brings you closer (but not all the way) to becoming more hag-like. I should probably avoid details of this feat's "Special" entry.
'Awaken their hag heritage'? What is that, and how does a Changeling go about doing it?What are the changes for the sea hag born changeling?** spoiler omitted **You take the Awakened Hag Heritage feat, which brings you closer (but not all the way) to becoming more hag-like. I should probably avoid details of this feat's "Special" entry.
Oh, my! I am so excited about this boo! I've got a Changeling Cabalist Vigilante build I've been thinking about, and this sounds very thematically appropriate.
What are all the new Changeling heritages?
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Lissa,
Trust me, after I tried watching the second one with Sands, I skipped the third. The first is the only one that counts. Sort of like Highlander.
I have no idea what you're talking about. There's only one Highlander movie.
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What are all the new Changeling heritages?
What are all the new Changeling heritages?Already posted upthread. ** spoiler omitted **
Sorry, missed that last post. Thank you though :)
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Lissa....I had already developed a character based on the idea of the Hag riven....but the result was disappointing. I'm so eager to re-build with this material :P
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Nice! I figured I couldn't be the only with this idea. =)Lissa....I had already developed a character based on the idea of the Hag riven....but the result was disappointing. I'm so eager to re-build with this material :P
I actually have a Changeling Bloodrager (who was originally a Barbarian before ACG came out), and this archetype will make her very happy ^w^
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So, considering Mute Hags are getting a Changeling Bloodline, should I presume that they will be making it into the next Bestiary? I mean right now the only place Mute Hag stats can be found is in that one adventure The Harrowing.
The only thing you can presume at this point is that due to being open content, Mute Hags are up on AoN and d20pfsrd.
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Do any of the heritages get a strength bonus?
What does the Kineticist archetype do?
Arakineticist, exclusively for negative energy blast users, trades out a trio of utility talents for protections vs. necromancy, a remove curse effect, and a bestow curse effect (at eighth). Eventually, you get a pricey save-or-be-cursed-for-a-round effect that gives some solid penalties to most d20 rolls.
It's probably WAY to much to hope for....but does the Hag Riven archetype give access to witch hexes ?
It's probably WAY to much to hope for....but does the Hag Riven archetype give access to witch hexes ?
Nope. Sorry. :(
It's probably WAY to much to hope for....but does the Hag Riven archetype give access to witch hexes ?Nope. Sorry. :(
All good, I'm still excited to see how it looks ;)
Do changelings need to be witches to form a coven?
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Do changelings need to be witches to form a coven?
Yes (barring archetypes of other classes granting access to the hex), unless they take a feat. If you can get a full-witch changeling coven, it's really good- while having feat-access weakens it a fair bit, as does VMC access.
Witch, the new cleric archetype, and hexcrafter magus would make for a good team.
Can we get a basic run down of what the Hag Bloodline grants, and what they Hag Riven Archetype does (and looses) ?
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Can we get a basic run down of what the Hag Bloodline grants, and what they Hag Riven Archetype does (and looses) ?
Hag Riven trades weapons for claws. (There's nothing for anybody who has claws already, so you'll want to grab the Hag Magic alternate racial trait on changelings.) You trade a bunch of Bloodrager's extra features and DR for better claws (widened crits, bonus effects, more damage, etc.) and natural armor. Spells can be used to enhance your claws as a swift (huzzah for good action economy!). You're limited to thematic bloodlines (not just Hag), but this is a nice choice for anybody who really likes claws.
If you want to use the bloodline, you'll probably need to talk to the GM. It seems to have been written without acknowledging that you only get bloodline abilities while raging. Two things stick out.
- Standard action evil eye (save negates) effect for penalties to AC and attack. It's limited use per day, and if your charisma is higher than your constitution, you have to spend all your rounds of rage at first level just to get all your uses of it. This one's weird. Bloodlines don't normally grant standard action abilities, because that stops you from using your rage to do things like kill people. (Dragon does get a breath weapon, but it's later level and worth giving up a raging round to use.) Plus, it's negated by hitting you, and your AC is penalized by enough to make up for their attack penalty. Strongly recommend trading this out for a bloodline familiar- that'll be a cool one to come up with a custom ability for!
- At late levels, you can join a coven and get Bestow Curse SLAs. This one's where things clearly aren't intended to work as written. Being able to join a coven only while raging is well under the hour it takes to join a coven. The SLAs wouldn't be castable during rage, because they're not covered by Blood Casting. But is then intent that you get them outside of rage, like the coven-joining, or that you get and cast them only in rage?
The rest of the bloodline is immunities and enhanced rage (better defensively than Abyssal). There's no 8th level ability, just a 4th level ability that scales at 8th, so archetype interaction should be discussed with the GM. If you can get two free barbarian rage powers out of it, the bloodline begins looking better.
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Heads up for those interested in the Malice Binder:
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Stuff I liked:
Witch patron stuff! This helps out archetypes with low-level hex trades and adds some more meat to the patron choice.
Changeling covens! It's for a very specific party setup, but you're rewarded with some very cool stuff.
Curses! Knell of the Depths is brutal in Skull & Shackles. Worth making a witch for. Nice that the curse that messes with flight has medium range, so you can use it in combat. That one's very good for playing nicely with your party.
Traits! Okay, mostly Switched At Birth. Good flavor, good crunch, ties in nicely with changeling's stats and typical classes.
Awakened Hag Heritage! I like getting a consistent solid mechanical benefit and cool flavor on top of the varied effects the individual hag bloodlines give. All that, plus the flexible prerequisite feat, makes this a very nicely designed feat.
Hag-Haunted Spiritualist! While you can always roleplay a phantom as being disobedient, it's cool to have an archetype that centers around that without shifting the balance power too much.
Can we get a basic run down of what the Hag Bloodline grants, and what they Hag Riven Archetype does (and looses) ?** spoiler omitted **...
Thanks for that.....does raise a lot of questions...
Hag Riven....
I assume your not trading ALL wep prof for the claws, just a reduction to simple weapons or some such ? Are the claws better dmg than what a changeling already get's ?
Does the NA scale well enough to make the loss of DR acceptable ?
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...hmm....sounds like many of the abilities are intended to be constant, not just while raging (which I'm OK with)....maybe Lissa will see this and chime in on intent (hint...hint...)
One comment you made has me totally confused....could you elaborate to some degree ? "It's limited use per day, and if your charisma is higher than your constitution, you have to spend all your rounds of rage at first level just to get all your uses of it"
Do you mean the evil eye uses up rounds of bloodrage ?
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I assume your not trading ALL wep prof for the claws, just a reduction to simple weapons or some such ?
You assume correctly.
Are the claws better dmg than what a changeling already get's ?
Yep. But since there's no benefit to already having claws (the archetype generously grants permanent claws), you might as well take any trades that get rid of them.
Does the NA scale well enough to make the loss of DR acceptable ?
That's a matter of opinion. I suspect the natural armor is there to balance out the fact that you need your neck slot for something other than natural armor now. It's a well-designed archetype. You get something else that's pretty nifty in exchange for your DR, but exactly what would be too much detail pre-release.
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...hmm....sounds like many of the abilities are intended to be constant, not just while raging (which I'm OK with)....maybe Lissa will see this and chime in on intent (hint...hint...)
I'd certainly appreciate a chiming-in on this, but I don't want to presume on it.
One comment you made has me totally confused....could you elaborate to some degree ? "It's limited use per day, and if your charisma is higher than your constitution, you have to spend all your rounds of rage at first level just to get all your uses of it"
Do you mean the evil eye uses up rounds of bloodrage ?
As a bloodline ability, it's usable only while raging. As a standard action, you are giving up doing anything benefitted by rage that turn. So you are essentially spending rounds of rage to use it (and taking associated penalties), in addition to the Sorcerer-esque 3+ Cha uses/day. I'm bringing that up as evidence that the ability might be intended to be usable outside of rage.