Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Ultimate Wilderness

Dragon78 wrote:

No, it is so that you can deal non-lethal damage with the positive blast to living creatures. So it could be actually useful beyond a undead heavy campaign.

That's an interesting viewpoint, but I'm pretty sure that even nonlethal damage dealt by a positive blast would still be subject to the restrictions that it only deals damage to undead and creatures who are harmed by negative energy, even if merciful foilage allowed it or you did it by using kinetic blade nonlethally. After all, I believe most would agree that a merciful fireball still deals fire damage, just nonlethal fire damage instead of lethal fire damage...

That would potentially be a cool adaptation of merciful foilage if it was rewritten to grant that special ability to positive blasts, though...

Doesn't an excess of positive energy make you explode? you should be able to deal damage with that somehow...

Luthorne wrote:

Dragon78 wrote:

No, it is so that you can deal non-lethal damage with the positive blast to living creatures. So it could be actually useful beyond a undead heavy campaign.

That's an interesting viewpoint, but I'm pretty sure that even nonlethal damage dealt by a positive blast would still be subject to the restrictions that it only deals damage to undead and creatures who are harmed by negative energy, even if merciful foilage allowed it or you did it by using kinetic blade nonlethally. After all, I believe most would agree that a merciful fireball still deals fire damage, just nonlethal fire damage instead of lethal fire damage...

That would potentially be a cool adaptation of merciful foilage if it was rewritten to grant that special ability to positive blasts, though...

Doesn't an excess of positive energy make you explode? you should be able to deal damage with that somehow...

That's a trait of the Positive Energy Plane, not Positive Energy effects in general.

Yeah, but it would make a great high level power to cause living things to explode with positive energy.

I kind of wish that since your positive blast doesn't heal that it would at least deal non-leathal damage to living creatures healed by positive energy or some other use then dealing damage to undead(and negative energy creatures).

I once crated a evil positive energy beings who would heal you till you exploded...though in never got to use them in a game yet.

I am just happy to see a new class that fills at least one of the niches I am looking for.

I'm happy for a class that has more Varisians in it. :)

I'm happy for a class that has more Varisians in it. :)

Like, having been eaten by Shifters?

I hope one day we will finally get 50 classes for Pathfinder(I am not counting Starfinder classes to that number by the way).

I hope one day we will finally get 50 classes for Pathfinder(I am not counting Starfinder classes to that number by the way).

At which point you'll start wishing that some day we will finally get 100 classes.

I'm a big fan of options so new classes do excite me, but there comes a time when enough is enough.

Actually I am wishing for 100 0HD races, even I think 100 classes would be too much.

I'm a big fan of options so new classes do excite me, but there comes a time when enough is enough.

So, not a fan of new classes that cover things already covered by other classes and archetypes?

I am fine with new classes as long as they fill a niche or need that I am looking for. Archetypes on the other hand are a much harder sell for me especially for certain classes.

I once crated a evil positive energy beings who would heal you till you exploded...though in never got to use them in a game yet.

Add Tetori Monk levels so it can hug you to death.

I kill you with love, hug, hug, hug.

Strat,

Some how I think we got WAY off track here...

I'm still wondering how this will be distinguished from the Feral Hunter.....I wish they would start leaking more information....

Too bad the shifter can't replicate Beast Boy.

Technically we really don't know what the shifter can and can't do...yet.

Does this new class mean we could get an archetype that trades wildshape on a druid for more spell slots or maybe even spontaneous casting!?

Technically we really don't know what the shifter can and can't do...yet.

Wildshape is an ability limited to a hour per level. Unless they make the capstone of Druids into the classes 5th level ability it can't. Even changing forms counts as one use.

Strat,

Some how I think we got WAY off track here...

I just want to know what you mean by "a class with more Varisians in it."

We have Sorceror, and Rogue, and Bard. They got a whole... third of a book? And nothing Stops a Varisian from being anything they want to be. You can play a Varisian monk, or Ninja, or even Shifter if you want.

I once crated a evil positive energy beings who would heal you till you exploded...though in never got to use them in a game yet.

I guess the way to fight them would be to have half of the party actually damaging the Evil Healing Elementals and the other half of the party stabbing the first half repeatedly so that they don't explode.

Context? Who needs it?

I wonder how many archetypes the shifter will get.

I wonder how many kineticist wild talents(new and old) there will be.

Since they gave the kineticist wood element healing and positive energy blast. Will it also get other first world themed abilities like stuff dealing with fey or animal based abilities.

jedi8187 wrote:

I'm a big fan of options so new classes do excite me, but there comes a time when enough is enough.

So, not a fan of new classes that cover things already covered by other classes and archetypes?

As long they cover them in a new I don't care too much. But I do prefer classes cover more new ground, since archetypes do a great job of allowing variations on a theme. The shifter could have been a fighter or barbarian archetype and I would have been happy, but the class is good to since it seems to be expanding wildshape in a way those archetypes usually don't.

Is the Shifter having any playesting....or are we too late?

I always feel that playtesting of a new class has huge benefits for everyone.

The shifter's mechanics are straightforward enough for internal and limited playtesting to sufficiently work through kinks.

I completely understand the reasons that the shifter wasn't playtested more widely, but I'm not going to pretend that I wasn't disappointed. I had a real blast with the Vigilante playtest and I did my best to make a positive contribution. I hope that it'll be possible to contribute to future playtests.

(Somehow, this hasn't been created yet :P)

Here's what we will find in this book:

- The shifter, a new character class that harnesses untamed forces to change shape and bring a new level of savagery to the battlefield!

- New archetypes for alchemists, bards, druids, hunters, inquisitors, investigators, kineticists, mesmerists, paladins, rangers, rogues, slayers, and more!

- New feats and magic items for characters of all sorts, granting mastery over the perils of nature, and harvesting natural power itself by way of cultivating magical plants.

- Dozens of spells to channel, protect, or thwart the powers of the natural environs.

- New and expanded rules to push your animal companions, mounts, and familiars to wild new heights.

- A section on the First World with advice, spells, and other features to integrate that fey realm into your campaign.

- Systems for generating weather and challenging characters with natural hazards and strange terrain from terrain both mundane and fey-touched.

- ... and much, much more!

So... what are your expectations for this book ^_^? The shifter will be a major game-changer as it is a new class. The only thing we don't know is if it's a hybrid class of fighter/druid. I doubt it is, but it could be possible.

The shifter seems to be focusing on gaining natural attacks and creature limbs for special abilities. For instance, talons for regular damage, bear claws for damage and grab, wings for flight, fish tail for swimming, weasel fangs for damage and grab, tentacles for reach, etc. I don't think it will get spells, but it might receive different shifting abilities, similar to how a kineticist selects talents.

Archetyping the shifter can open a lot of possibilities. If the base shifter is animal-focused, then any archetype that switches the creature type around would be neat. A shifter using limbs from aberrations, plants, vermins, magical beasts (like the Totemist from Magic of Incarnum), dragons, oozes (especially since blights were introduced in B6) and undead would be awesome :D If the base shifter uses limbs from more than one type, then archetypes could be focused on other types. For instance, a shfter could morph a limb into a longsword.

Archetypes for the other classes can go in several directions:
- Barbarians, druids, oracles, hunters, rangers and witches, being nature-based classes, will probably get the lion's share of archetypes.
- Kineticists could get more talents... but I doubt that Wood would be expanded, since it was expanded in Golarion booklets :S
- I'd like to get options for companions, mounts, familiars and eidolons here. I feel like it isn't much explored.

The weather and hazard generators sound interesting. Maybe that will give us a good reason to use weather effects duing play sessions XD

So yeah, what are your expectations for this book ^_^?

We know that the kineticist wood element will get a reprint/update. I am not sure if we are getting any of the wood talents from psychic anthology.

It was already said that the shifter will be a full fighter BA/HD martial class and will get wild shape at level 5.

My only issue with the lack of a playtest is that I have an Ironfang Invasion game starting next week and I'd really like to be a shapeshifter in that game.

Might have to cludge either Skinwalker Ranger or Druid to do the job.

My only issue with the lack of a playtest is that I have an Ironfang Invasion game starting next week and I'd really like to be a shapeshifter in that game.

Might have to cludge either Skinwalker Ranger or Druid to do the job.

Take a look at a Skinwalker Feral Hunter ;)

Or the Skin Changer ranger. It suffers from 'uses per day' wildshape though for a class where shapechanging to fight is supposed to be it's thing but otherwise is amazing.

I'm not going to worry about it, i just won't buy it. :-)

More money to spend on Starfinder I guess. :-)

I wonder what kinds of fey touched terrain there will be.

I will be buying both!

Honestly they had me at Shifter... and space

Disappointed at the lack of playtesting regarding the Shifter.... solves a lot of issues down the line... fills a gap as the 'Nature Paladin'.... although whether or not thats how it comes out will be another matter.

Other than that it has potential!!

I was interested in Starfinder but the more I learned about it, the more I didn't like. But that is another subject all together and belongs in it's own section.

I can't wait to see what the shifter will be like, can't wait for kineticist wild talents(new and old), can't wait for first world, fey, and nature themed options and I can't wait for more animal companion, familiar, mount, etc. options.

I hope this book will finally have the fey based polymorph spells.

I also hope that it will reprint other polymorph spells that are not in hardcover books.