Pathfinder Flip-Mat: Sunken City

Announced for November! Description and image are not final and subject to change.

Oooo...

I can't imagine what possible use there would be for this...

Does that mean the flip-mat reproduces one (or two) of the battle maps in the AP? Or just that it's thematically tied and will look nice next to the AP, but will have no actual use in it?

As with nearly all of our Flip-Mats, this one doesn't recreate a location that appears in the Adventure Path. Vic was hinting that this Flip-Mat is a great thematic tie to the types of encounters that will appear in the Adventure Path. Since we typically don't have the space to map every encounter in an adventure, thematic tie-ins like this can help a GM who just needs a quick and good looking map to throw down for those unmapped encounters.

I genuinely miss when flip-mats were directly usable in APs. The ship in Skull & Shackles and Runelords' Village Square were wonderful to have for those adventures. I really wish that could happen more often. Surely it can't be that hard to have *one* battle map per a six-adventure AP that fits the dimensions of flip-mat *and* would also be general purpose usable?

In any case though, thanks for making these products, they're very useful regardless.

I'm guessing that this will probably have a lot in common with the underwater side of the Lost City flip-mat, but hopefully will be more creative than just using the same graphics and rearraging the buildings to make it look cosmetically different. One thing that might be nice would be if one mat side would have an elevation change, like a couple of buildings on a higher escarpment. 3D positioning is more common underwater than in overland combat.

Also, is this intentionally in the Bigger Flip-Mat category?

The greatest difficulty in having these two products line up in that way is timing, to be honest. All of the authors on Ruins of Azlant had their manuscripts (and maps) turned in long before this Flip-Mat made its way onto the schedule, and since Flip-Mats need to be a certain dimension (regarding number of squares) and I didn't specifically ask one of the authors to present an encounter map that fit those dimensions the two products didn't sync up like that.

I also agree with you that it's cool to have a Flip-Mat be the exact map in an adventure (provided that the Flip-Mat is usable in other situations too), so thanks for voicing your thoughts on this. I'll certainly keep it in mind in my future Adventure Paths. (And maybe try to find a really good way to fit something into one of the Ruins of Azlant adventures in development that makes this map a firmer fit than only thematic.)

Thanks for the insight, Adam! I really appreciate you sharing that. Thank you for all your hard work.

So this is a double sided map. Are we getting two different sunken cities (one on each side)?

So this is a double sided map. Are we getting two different sunken cities (one on each side)?

Yes.

The greatest difficulty in having these two products line up in that way is timing, to be honest. All of the authors on Ruins of Azlant had their manuscripts (and maps) turned in long before this Flip-Mat made its way onto the schedule, and since Flip-Mats need to be a certain dimension (regarding number of squares) and I didn't specifically ask one of the authors to present an encounter map that fit those dimensions the two products didn't sync up like that.

I also agree with you that it's cool to have a Flip-Mat be the exact map in an adventure (provided that the Flip-Mat is usable in other situations too), so thanks for voicing your thoughts on this. I'll certainly keep it in mind in my future Adventure Paths. (And maybe try to find a really good way to fit something into one of the Ruins of Azlant adventures in development that makes this map a firmer fit than only thematic.)

I too would be more inclined to purchase a flip mat that is both generically usable AND an encounter map for an AP that I'm buying. I know you all are super busy making awesome products, but this extra bit would make them more awesome. :)

I love this idea!

Updated with final product description and image!

Very cool.

The greatest difficulty in having these two products line up in that way is timing, to be honest. All of the authors on Ruins of Azlant had their manuscripts (and maps) turned in long before this Flip-Mat made its way onto the schedule, and since Flip-Mats need to be a certain dimension (regarding number of squares) and I didn't specifically ask one of the authors to present an encounter map that fit those dimensions the two products didn't sync up like that.

I also agree with you that it's cool to have a Flip-Mat be the exact map in an adventure (provided that the Flip-Mat is usable in other situations too), so thanks for voicing your thoughts on this. I'll certainly keep it in mind in my future Adventure Paths. (And maybe try to find a really good way to fit something into one of the Ruins of Azlant adventures in development that makes this map a firmer fit than only thematic.)

You have so many maps and tiles, maybe the authors can employ what is already there more often?