Rysky |
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John Kretzer wrote:Kalindlara wrote:Yeah song Dragons would be awesome in PF. Is possible.Speaking as a huge fan of the Forgotten Realms' song dragons*, I'd love to see them make an appearance in Pathfinder. (But they'd need to be unique to Pathfinder, for obvious reasons.)
*My namesake character was a sorcerer with song dragon blood, for those familiar with 3.5's Races of the Dragon. ^_^
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Song linnorms, the most heavy metal of dragons.
Sklads had to come from somewhere...
Set |
Speaking as a huge fan of the Forgotten Realms' song dragons*, I'd love to see them make an appearance in Pathfinder. (But they'd need to be unique to Pathfinder, for obvious reasons.)
*My namesake character was a sorcerer with song dragon blood, for those familiar with 3.5's Races of the Dragon. ^_^
In one of my homebrew campaigns after 3.X, I didn't care for there being two chromatic dragons with acid breath weapons (since greens no longer had poison breath, but breathed acid, like black dragons), so I gave green dragons a sonic breath weapon instead, and replaced their sorcerer casting levels with bard casting levels (and limited use of bardic performance).
So, yeah, I'm totally for the idea of a song dragon.
Psiphyre |
I always thought the Faerun 'Song Dragon' seemed a lot like the Oerth 'Greyhawk Dragon'... and not too dissimilar even from the Kulthean 'Silverscale'.
Basically, give it a different name and I don't think you need to worry about infringement.
Wasn't the 'Greyhawk Dragon' the same as the Steel Dragon (which is also found in Faerûn)??
--C.
Geramies |
Song dragons would be cool, or at least something like them. Speaking of singing, how about a musical ooze;)
It saddens me that not a single Gigas has made it into a hardcover bestiary.
It saddens me they not only make more Gigas, but they haven't made more Aeons and Inevitables in a long time.
Geramies |
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I always thought the Faerun 'Song Dragon' seemed a lot like the Oerth 'Greyhawk Dragon'... and not too dissimilar even from the Kulthean 'Silverscale'.
Basically, give it a different name and I don't think you need to worry about infringement.
The Greyhawk Dragon is basically the Steel Dragon, no difference, only in name (in Forgotten Realms they are Steel Dragons).
The Song Dragon was originally the "Weredragon" from 2nd Edition AD&D Forgotten Realms Monstrous Compendium. In 3rd Edition, they retconned the Weredragon into the Song Dragon.
Berselius |
Basically, give it a different name and I don't think you need to worry about infringement.
Or they can give it completely different abilities (aka bardic abilities equal to a bard of a certain level, etc etc), a completely different appearance (long, sinewy, sea-dwelling type), and still give it the same name. They basically did that with the Hammer Archon (which now exists both in D&D and Pathfinder, just in different forms). Though if they could still give it an cone-shaped electric breath weapon that would be cool (hmmm...would that not mesh well with a sea-dwelling dragon?).
Berselius |
A monster(maybe linnorm) that has skald class abilities like their rage based bardic music would be cool.
I don't think Linnorms are interested enough in mortal affairs to have abilities like skald powers. Also, I believe Linnorms are based on certain types of terrain in which they dwell so unless they come out with a new type of terrain in the frozen wilderness then I don't think we'll be seeing any new Linnorms anytime soon.
Luthorne |
Dragon78 wrote:It saddens me they not only make more Gigas, but they haven't made more Aeons and Inevitables in a long time.Song dragons would be cool, or at least something like them. Speaking of singing, how about a musical ooze;)
It saddens me that not a single Gigas has made it into a hardcover bestiary.
We got more aeons in just the last Bestiary, didn't we? Though it's true we haven't gotten another inevitable since Iron Gods with the yarahkut, I think...could have missed one.
Kalindlara Contributor |
Berselius |
Berselius wrote:Legacy of Dragons.Rysky wrote:Wait, what? Where is this stated?Dragon78 wrote:I am sure that at least one type of linnorm would love to cause creatures to rage and fight for it;)They do train gladiators.
Can you tell me what page is says that Linnorms train gladiators?
Rysky |
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Rysky wrote:Can you tell me what page is says that Linnorms train gladiators?Berselius wrote:Legacy of Dragons.Rysky wrote:Wait, what? Where is this stated?Dragon78 wrote:I am sure that at least one type of linnorm would love to cause creatures to rage and fight for it;)They do train gladiators.
Ah, just went and reread page 20 and it says the fighting styles are based on ascetics studying and immulating the Linnorms movements and attacks. The "trained a gladiator" bit (which is what got me to get the book) is from Crystal's awesome blog about the book.
TriOmegaZero |
Berselius |
Oookkkaaayyy...it's a blog post about a gladiator's boasts about learning fighting techniques from linnorms. That doesn't make it fact nor does it make it cannon. From what I'm aware of established cannon, unless the humanoid can make the linnorm bend to the humanoid's power (as in the case of the linnorm queen" White Estrid") then the Linnorm will pretty much do whatever the hell it feels like (and with humanoids that usually means eating them).
Anyways, as I said above, Linnorms are based on the terrain they inhabit (aka ice linnorms for tundra, tagia linnorms for cold forests, tor linnorms for arctic volcanos, etc etc). So unless we get a new type of arctic terrain I doubt we'll see more of them. Now, if you want to give a Linnorm skald like powers, then I don't see why you couldn't just give one levels in the Skald class but I'd expect a pretty damn good backstory for a monster like that (at least in a campaign I'd run).
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The trick would be to find a terrain type associated with howling winds or sound in some other way, like a Canyon Linnorm or something. The notion of two heads singing (or howling...) in concert to create some sort of harmonic resonance of destruction (or creation?). Other random abilities might be the ability to 'throw' it's voice, creating a roaring sound from one end of a canyon to drive terrified prey to where it lurks at the other end of the canyon.
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Oookkkaaayyy...it's a blog post about a gladiator's boasts about learning fighting techniques from linnorms. That doesn't make it fact nor does it make it cannon.
Yes. That is what Rysky said.
If you can't let people admit mistakes, you aren't going to have many people conceding to you.
The Gold Sovereign |
Maybe not a Linnorm, but as one of these mythic dragons with high CR like Guardian Dragons and the Shen. I would really like a dragon with sond based special abilities.
I'm really curious about the Elder Wyrm two headed dragon. That a thing we know we are getting, but we don't know what makes it such a powerful dragon. I mean, I'm sure having two heads isn't everything that dragon has.
D. Castro |
I can't deny I'm anxious with this cover.
The Grim Reaper on the cover of B5 is the coolest depiction of that creature I have ever seen on pathfinder. Unfortunately, the illustration in its stat block isn't even nearly based on it and too simple for such an epic creature.
That was a little disappointing, enough to make me see it as the Lesser version rather than the actual Reaper, but was also the first time it happened with any cover (recently happened with Hell's Vengeance 6 cover as well, and that beautiful planetar)
B3 and B4 are the two bestiaries that had, in my opinion, the most precise cover art in relation to the inner pictures from the stat blocks, so I hope B6 cover followed these parameters for the sake of the "expectation management".
Anyway, I would like to say that while I'm amazed by the quality of the grim reaper picture on the stat block, I was sincerely hoping to see the one on the cover inside the book or even as a pawn...
That said...
Charon, Ragathiel and Dispater. That's a combination that would really be amazing! I'm sure a big shinning angel, a big red devil and the ferryman, together, are enough to pass through the prerequisites to be on the cover... =P
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That was a little disappointing, enough to make me see it as the Lesser version rather than the actual Reaper
I'm pretty sure the art from the Reaper section is the art for lesser reapers. They were very pragmatic when it comes to space with bestiary 5 (see the lack of fluff and fluffy-abilities on many creatures). So they probably just didn't order another true Grim Reaper art because there's the big main one on the cover.
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The Gold Sovereign |
I'm pretty sure the art from the Reaper section is the art for lesser reapers. They were very pragmatic when it comes to space with bestiary 5 (see the lack of fluff and fluffy-abilities on many creatures). So they probably just didn't order another true Grim Reaper art because there's the big main one on the cover.
That's what I assumed as well, and I though that B5 Pawn Collection was where I would find the Reaper art. Well, we know that didn't happen.