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KitsuneWarlock wrote:The Best part of the kitsune?
** spoiler omitted **
Yup. Fighters can now get all nine tails at level 6. And Oracles at level 7.
Those kitsune racial traits and favored class bonuses are REALLY good. They're not overpowered, but they add exactly the kinds of flavor that the race needed. They can get tails more easily, be skilled and intelligent tricksters, and have a starting fox form.
A little sad that none of the racial traits replace the bite attack, but I will admit that may have been a hard one to explain away.
You can tell that a lot of thought went into the kitsune section, as if they had a certain really kitsune obsessed person write a lot of it ;)
You know, it's less about obsession and more about being knowledgeable. By the time this project rolled around, I had written three products about the kitsune, and in order to do that I did a LOT of research on fox mythology. Japanese, Korean, Chinese, heck, I even watched a few episodes of TV shows that featured kitsune, like Supernatural and Teen Wolf.(Also, there's this really campy Korean movie / show that I found whose plot is basically: boy falls in love with girl, girl is actually a centuries old fox spirit that eats human hearts. Hijinks ensue.)
Because of my 3PP history with the race, conversation and wishlisting tends to happen on or near my products, and when writing this I did a pretty thorough comb through of the forums and what people were saying about the race. This is all the same tactics that I used with advanced weapon training in Weapon Master's, and I did it for all of the races I worked on in this book (admittedly, there was a lot less to go off of for most of the other ones I did, like nagaji and vanaras).
But yeah, that was basically my strategy in trying to turn over the highest quality turnover that I could to Mark Moreland for Blood of the Beast.
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Matrix Dragon wrote:KitsuneWarlock wrote:The Best part of the kitsune?
** spoiler omitted **
Yup. Fighters can now get all nine tails at level 6. And Oracles at level 7.
Those kitsune racial traits and favored class bonuses are REALLY good. They're not overpowered, but they add exactly the kinds of flavor that the race needed. They can get tails more easily, be skilled and intelligent tricksters, and have a starting fox form.
A little sad that none of the racial traits replace the bite attack, but I will admit that may have been a hard one to explain away.
You can tell that a lot of thought went into the kitsune section, as if they had a certain really kitsune obsessed person write a lot of it ;)
You know, it's less about obsession and more about being knowledgeable. By the time this project rolled around, I had written three products about the kitsune, and in order to do that I did a LOT of research on fox mythology. Japanese, Korean, Chinese, heck, I even watched a few episodes of TV shows that featured kitsune, like Supernatural and Teen Wolf.(Also, there's this really campy Korean movie / show that I found whose plot is basically: boy falls in love with girl, girl is actually a centuries old fox spirit that eats human hearts. Hijinks ensue.)
Because of my 3PP history with the race, conversation and wishlisting tends to happen on or near my products, and when writing this I did a pretty thorough comb through of the forums and what people were saying about the race. This is all the same tactics that I used with advanced weapon training in Weapon Master's, and I did it for all of the races I worked on in this book (admittedly, there was a lot less to go off of for most of the other ones I did, like nagaji and vanaras).
But yeah, that was basically my strategy in trying to turn over the highest quality turnover that I could to Mark Moreland for Blood of the Beast.
What is this campy Korean movie of which you speak?
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What is this campy Korean movie of which you speak?
My Girlfriend is a Nine-Tailed Fox. Some of us spend too much time on tvtropes for our own good.
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Rysky wrote:What is this campy Korean movie of which you speak?My Girlfriend is a Nine-Tailed Fox. Some of us spend too much time on tvtropes for our own good.
Woot! Thankies!
(I'm one of those people too)
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Personally, I prefer a more beastial look to my beast races. While I agree the Eade artwork is well drawn, it is not my cup of tea. It looks too anime catgirl to me, which is a look I really really do not like. Just glad they didn't go that route for any of the kitsune artwork I have seen in many of the books that featured kitsune artwork. Though, the kitsune on the cover art has a muzzle that is a little too short.
But unfortunately, it seem more people like the anime catgirl look of Eade's bestiary 3 entry. I prefer the ARG version, myself.
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Personally, I prefer a more beastial look to my beast races. While I agree the Eade artwork is well drawn, it is not my cup of tea. It looks too anime catgirl to me, which is a look I really really do not like. Just glad they didn't go that route for any of the kitsune artwork I have seen in many of the books that featured kitsune artwork. Though, the kitsune on the cover art has a muzzle that is a little too short.
But unfortunately, it seem more people like the anime catgirl look of Eade's bestiary 3 entry. I prefer the ARG version, myself.
TFW you realize people throw around the term "anime catgirl" as a detraction for remotely anything with any combination of human and animal characteristics -_-
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Personally, I prefer a more beastial look to my beast races. While I agree the Eade artwork is well drawn, it is not my cup of tea. It looks too anime catgirl to me, which is a look I really really do not like. Just glad they didn't go that route for any of the kitsune artwork I have seen in many of the books that featured kitsune artwork. Though, the kitsune on the cover art has a muzzle that is a little too short.
But unfortunately, it seem more people like the anime catgirl look of Eade's bestiary 3 entry. I prefer the ARG version, myself.
Really though, to me it seems like people are actually just fan of Eade's artstyle rather than the catgirl thing <_< Though there do seem to be fans of Thundercats mixed.
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Adjule wrote:Really though, to me it seems like people are actually just fan of Eade's artstyle rather than the catgirl thing <_<Personally, I prefer a more beastial look to my beast races. While I agree the Eade artwork is well drawn, it is not my cup of tea. It looks too anime catgirl to me, which is a look I really really do not like. Just glad they didn't go that route for any of the kitsune artwork I have seen in many of the books that featured kitsune artwork. Though, the kitsune on the cover art has a muzzle that is a little too short.
But unfortunately, it seem more people like the anime catgirl look of Eade's bestiary 3 entry. I prefer the ARG version, myself.
I have a specific image in my head of what is a catgirl/boy, a human with specific and certain cat characteristics, after viewing enough material involving them.
Eade Catfolk =/= Catgirl
Khajit =/= Catgirl
Skinwalker (Fanglord) = Catgirl
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Adjule wrote:Really though, to me it seems like people are actually just fan of Eade's artstyle rather than the catgirl thing <_< Though there do seem to be fans of Thundercats mixed.Personally, I prefer a more beastial look to my beast races. While I agree the Eade artwork is well drawn, it is not my cup of tea. It looks too anime catgirl to me, which is a look I really really do not like. Just glad they didn't go that route for any of the kitsune artwork I have seen in many of the books that featured kitsune artwork. Though, the kitsune on the cover art has a muzzle that is a little too short.
But unfortunately, it seem more people like the anime catgirl look of Eade's bestiary 3 entry. I prefer the ARG version, myself.
Perhaps so. However, the preference is not made invalid for that possibility. The truth of the matter: It appears the Eade/B3 version is the most popular.
It is what it is, regardless of the reason/excuse, etc.Adjule |
Adjule wrote:TFW you realize people throw around the term "anime catgirl" as a detraction for remotely anything with any combination of human and animal characteristics -_-Personally, I prefer a more beastial look to my beast races. While I agree the Eade artwork is well drawn, it is not my cup of tea. It looks too anime catgirl to me, which is a look I really really do not like. Just glad they didn't go that route for any of the kitsune artwork I have seen in many of the books that featured kitsune artwork. Though, the kitsune on the cover art has a muzzle that is a little too short.
But unfortunately, it seem more people like the anime catgirl look of Eade's bestiary 3 entry. I prefer the ARG version, myself.
"Anime catgirl" is a human female with cat ears and a tail. Most don't have fur, but some do (Fam from the OAV series "Ruin Explorers" is a catgirl with fur on her body). Eade's catfolk from Bestiary 3 is an anime catgirl. I have seen the same with many anime when doing "anthropomorphized" human/animals (like kitsune that just have fox ears and a tail but are otherwise completely human), unless they are werewolves (like the Jon Talbain from Darkstalkers, but Felicia from there I would consider an "anime catgirl") typically.
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Rysky wrote:"Anime catgirl" is a human female with cat ears and a tail. Most don't have fur, but some do (Fam from the OAV series "Ruin Explorers" is a catgirl with fur on her body). Eade's catfolk from Bestiary 3 is an anime catgirl. I have seen the same with many anime when doing "anthropomorphized" human/animals (like kitsune that just have fox ears and a tail but are otherwise completely human), unless they are werewolves (like the Jon Talbain from Darkstalkers, but Felicia from there I would consider an "anime catgirl") typically.Adjule wrote:TFW you realize people throw around the term "anime catgirl" as a detraction for remotely anything with any combination of human and animal characteristics -_-Personally, I prefer a more beastial look to my beast races. While I agree the Eade artwork is well drawn, it is not my cup of tea. It looks too anime catgirl to me, which is a look I really really do not like. Just glad they didn't go that route for any of the kitsune artwork I have seen in many of the books that featured kitsune artwork. Though, the kitsune on the cover art has a muzzle that is a little too short.
But unfortunately, it seem more people like the anime catgirl look of Eade's bestiary 3 entry. I prefer the ARG version, myself.
The needless tacking on of "anime" of the beginning of that term though is what makes it needlessly derogatory and what I was getting at.
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I'm actually not that big a fan of some of Ms. Eade's PF work. I reference her art simply because it strikes the right balance of cat-to-human: not the "two-legged animal" look of the ARG, and not the "human in body paint" of Shattered Star. A little catgirlish, maybe, but I'd rather have that than something virtually identical to the subject of an anthropomorphic animal spell.
If it helps, the beastbrood tiefling is also in the right ballpark (although I'd quibble over a number of details). And since it's done by a different artist, that should help reassure people whose main contention is Eade's style. ^_^
(I'm also a little weirded out by the ISR Compromise, if I'm being fully honest. But that's just me.)
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The Best part of the kitsune?
** spoiler omitted **
Yup. Fighters can now get all nine tails at level 6. And Oracles at level 7.
Do the other races have any alternate traits that adjust their attribute scores?
Also, naga shape II and III have bloodrager 5 /bloodrager 6 as spell levels, which is an obvious error.
Obviously an error, but doesn't this make it so Bloodragers can use items of those spells without UMD (not that there are bloodragers without UMD)?
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I'm actually not that big a fan of some of Ms. Eade's PF work. I reference her art simply because it strikes the right balance of cat-to-human: not the "two-legged animal" look of the ARG, and not the "human in body paint" of Shattered Star. A little catgirlish, maybe, but I'd rather have that than something virtually identical to the subject of an anthropomorphic animal spell.
If it helps, the beastbrood tiefling is also in the right ballpark (although I'd quibble over a number of details). And since it's done by a different artist, that should help reassure people whose main contention is Eade's style. ^_^
(I'm also a little weirded out by the ISR Compromise, if I'm being fully honest. But that's just me.)
Nah, they creep me out too :3
Adjule |
Adjule wrote:The needless tacking on of "anime" of the beginning of that term though is what makes it needlessly derogatory and what I was getting at.Rysky wrote:"Anime catgirl" is a human female with cat ears and a tail. Most don't have fur, but some do (Fam from the OAV series "Ruin Explorers" is a catgirl with fur on her body). Eade's catfolk from Bestiary 3 is an anime catgirl. I have seen the same with many anime when doing "anthropomorphized" human/animals (like kitsune that just have fox ears and a tail but are otherwise completely human), unless they are werewolves (like the Jon Talbain from Darkstalkers, but Felicia from there I would consider an "anime catgirl") typically.Adjule wrote:TFW you realize people throw around the term "anime catgirl" as a detraction for remotely anything with any combination of human and animal characteristics -_-Personally, I prefer a more beastial look to my beast races. While I agree the Eade artwork is well drawn, it is not my cup of tea. It looks too anime catgirl to me, which is a look I really really do not like. Just glad they didn't go that route for any of the kitsune artwork I have seen in many of the books that featured kitsune artwork. Though, the kitsune on the cover art has a muzzle that is a little too short.
But unfortunately, it seem more people like the anime catgirl look of Eade's bestiary 3 entry. I prefer the ARG version, myself.
I tack on the "anime" at the beginning because that's the only medium I ever see that form appear in. I am not using it in a derogative manner (I personally enjoy anime, though admittedly more of the older stuff).
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Rysky wrote:I tack on the "anime" at the beginning because that's the only medium I ever see that form appear in. I am not using it in a derogative manner (I personally enjoy anime, though admittedly more of the older stuff).Adjule wrote:The needless tacking on of "anime" of the beginning of that term though is what makes it needlessly derogatory and what I was getting at.Rysky wrote:"Anime catgirl" is a human female with cat ears and a tail. Most don't have fur, but some do (Fam from the OAV series "Ruin Explorers" is a catgirl with fur on her body). Eade's catfolk from Bestiary 3 is an anime catgirl. I have seen the same with many anime when doing "anthropomorphized" human/animals (like kitsune that just have fox ears and a tail but are otherwise completely human), unless they are werewolves (like the Jon Talbain from Darkstalkers, but Felicia from there I would consider an "anime catgirl") typically.Adjule wrote:TFW you realize people throw around the term "anime catgirl" as a detraction for remotely anything with any combination of human and animal characteristics -_-Personally, I prefer a more beastial look to my beast races. While I agree the Eade artwork is well drawn, it is not my cup of tea. It looks too anime catgirl to me, which is a look I really really do not like. Just glad they didn't go that route for any of the kitsune artwork I have seen in many of the books that featured kitsune artwork. Though, the kitsune on the cover art has a muzzle that is a little too short.
But unfortunately, it seem more people like the anime catgirl look of Eade's bestiary 3 entry. I prefer the ARG version, myself.
You may not intend it but it does come across as dismissive.
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I like some of these things in the Catfolk section of the book. The Prowler at World's End is a pretty neat Bloodrager archetype, and I love the fact that the Wildsoul Vigilante Archetype was given a Feline option. That's a neat archetype, but I wasn't too interested the existing options.
Plus, neither of these require that the character be a catfolk ;)
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I'm really glad that the Vanaras can now benefit from the Gruesome Shapechanger feat. I've been trying to find more ways to use that feat, and now there's another race that can use it!
And add Startling Shapechange to that and you can sicken AND scare your enemies in one round! That's pretty handy! And for Skinwalkers now being able to take Racial Heritage, I honestly feel like they got a massive bump in this book too (despite already having their own book).
And then the Grippli Fiend Keeper? Can't wait to play one with just a permanent Champion spirit. +5 to attack rolls and +7 to damage rolls with every melee attack? Just screams two-weapon fighting, and at level 13 a +8 to-hit and +10 to damage? God, I can't wait to play one.
Plus grippli are like, the smallest possible race I'm fairly certain, so that ought to be funny to play. It'd be like that scene in Prince Caspian where Reepicheep's crew is just cutting the ankles of people in the tall grass, but with frogs instead.
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CorvusMask wrote:Adjule wrote:Really though, to me it seems like people are actually just fan of Eade's artstyle rather than the catgirl thing <_< Though there do seem to be fans of Thundercats mixed.Personally, I prefer a more beastial look to my beast races. While I agree the Eade artwork is well drawn, it is not my cup of tea. It looks too anime catgirl to me, which is a look I really really do not like. Just glad they didn't go that route for any of the kitsune artwork I have seen in many of the books that featured kitsune artwork. Though, the kitsune on the cover art has a muzzle that is a little too short.
But unfortunately, it seem more people like the anime catgirl look of Eade's bestiary 3 entry. I prefer the ARG version, myself.
Perhaps so. However, the preference is not made invalid for that possibility. The truth of the matter: It appears the Eade/B3 version is the most popular.
It is what it is, regardless of the reason/excuse, etc.
I'd like to note that just because lot of people who are vocal about their preference in catfolk art seem to like Eade's art, that doesn't really mean its most popular since most forum posters haven't really expressed opinion about that and even then we aren't all of people who play pathfinder.
Adjule wrote:You may not intend it but it does come across as dismissive.Rysky wrote:I tack on the "anime" at the beginning because that's the only medium I ever see that form appear in. I am not using it in a derogative manner (I personally enjoy anime, though admittedly more of the older stuff).Adjule wrote:The needless tacking on of "anime" of the beginning of that term though is what makes it needlessly derogatory and what I was getting at.Rysky wrote:"Anime catgirl" is a human female with cat ears and a tail. Most don't have fur, but some do (Fam from the OAV series "Ruin Explorers" is a catgirl with fur on her body). Eade's catfolk from Bestiary 3 is an anime catgirl. I have seen the same with many anime when doing "anthropomorphized" human/animals (like kitsune that just have fox ears and a tail but are otherwise completely human), unless they are werewolves (like the Jon Talbain from Darkstalkers, but Felicia from there I would consider an "anime catgirl") typically.Adjule wrote:TFW you realize people throw around the term "anime catgirl" as a detraction for remotely anything with any combination of human and animal characteristics -_-Personally, I prefer a more beastial look to my beast races. While I agree the Eade artwork is well drawn, it is not my cup of tea. It looks too anime catgirl to me, which is a look I really really do not like. Just glad they didn't go that route for any of the kitsune artwork I have seen in many of the books that featured kitsune artwork. Though, the kitsune on the cover art has a muzzle that is a little too short.
But unfortunately, it seem more people like the anime catgirl look of Eade's bestiary 3 entry. I prefer the ARG version, myself.
Hey, I take offense at "anime" being considered dismissive >:(
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I'm really glad that the Vanaras can now benefit from the Gruesome Shapechanger feat. I've been trying to find more ways to use that feat, and now there's another race that can use it!
And add Startling Shapechange to that and you can sicken AND scare your enemies in one round! That's pretty handy! And for Skinwalkers now being able to take Racial Heritage, I honestly feel like they got a massive bump in this book too (despite already having their own book).
And then the Grippli Fiend Keeper? Can't wait to play one with just a permanent Champion spirit. +5 to attack rolls and +7 to damage rolls with every melee attack? Just screams two-weapon fighting, and at level 13 a +8 to-hit and +10 to damage? God, I can't wait to play one.
Plus grippli are like, the smallest possible race I'm fairly certain, so that ought to be funny to play. It'd be like that scene in Prince Caspian where Reepicheep's crew is just cutting the ankles of people in the tall grass, but with frogs instead.
Almost laughed out loud with the Reepicheep/frog image in my head--not good with a class full of students.
Love the art for the Gripplis in this book(actually all of the inside art)--much better than the cover!Never was interested in the whole Spirit aspect or the Medium at all...until this book. Between the Prowler At World's End and the Fiend Keeper...wow!
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Mark Moreland wrote:Until then, let us know how you want them to look, I guess.Either more like the bestiary 3 version or like Kanya from shatterd star.
Well, they look more Humanoid type, compared to the one in ARG who looked more Monstrous Humanoid type.
And most of the "beastfolk" race suffer from seious sexual dimorphism in their arts, to the point one can be excused to wonder if they are supposed to have different racial traits as well... to the point that in some case, while the females look like they fit the Humanoid type, the males look more like Monstrous Humanoid, Magical Beast, Outsider, and in some cases, Aberration types than Humanoid.
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Mark Moreland wrote:Until then, let us know how you want them to look, I guess.Bestiary 3 version. For non-Eade examples, I think the rebooted Thundercats version should serve as a set of decent examples of a variety of male and female catfolk.
Well if you're gonna go with the more human look, I like the Worens from the Breath of Fire games
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I'd like to note that just because lot of people who are vocal about their preference in catfolk art seem to like Eade's art, that doesn't really mean its most popular since most forum posters haven't really expressed opinion about that and even then we aren't all of people who play pathfinder.
True, so the fairest thing to do would be to give more representation to both versions. And since we currently have plenty of the so-called non-Eade version, what we need is more of the Eade version (which may or may not actually be Eade).
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Kalindlara wrote:At least he clarified his intent. I can see how it sounded (as "too anime" is thrown around an awful lot in gaming), but Adjule's clarification was quite reasonable. ^_^There is no such thing as too anime! :)
Right, because there's good and then there's anime....
*ow ow ow ow kidding ow ow ow*
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CorvusMask wrote:I'd like to note that just because lot of people who are vocal about their preference in catfolk art seem to like Eade's art, that doesn't really mean its most popular since most forum posters haven't really expressed opinion about that and even then we aren't all of people who play pathfinder.True, so the fairest thing to do would be to give more representation to both versions. And since we currently have plenty of the so-called non-Eade version, what we need is more of the Eade version (which may or may not actually be Eade).
I would have no problem with both. Heck, Paizo could even make the Eade version and the non-Eade version be regional variants of Catfolk, similar to how Ulfen humans look different than Varisian humans who look different from Vudran humans etc. and so on, but still have the same racial abilities.
I am sure we can all agree that they still look better than the Catfolk from the Miniature's Handbook, right?
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Adjule wrote:I am sure we can all agree that they still look better than the Catfolk from the Miniature's Handbook, right?This is the opinion of all right-thinking people. ^_^
How did you feel about the Races of the Wild art?
The MH Catfolk didn't have tails, and that made me sad, but I won't say it was the worst depiction I've ever seen. Ditto for RotW. I do prefer both over the animal-heads from the ARG.
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I'm happy to see the Transformation Sequence popping up as a Vigilante Social Talent. That really opens up some options for less-pet-focused Magical-Child-type characters.
The more I read in the various threads, the more the wait for my pdfs becomes torture...
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I'm happy to see the Transformation Sequence popping up as a Vigilante Social Talent. That really opens up some options for less-pet-focused Magical-Child-type characters.
I just had the idea of taking that talent with the Faceless Scourge Vigilante archetype in Path of the Hellknight.
Magical Pretty Soldier Hellknight-chan has arrived!
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Well can only speak for myself but I do prefer the Eade style of art cause it reminds me of Merle from Escaflowne, Xiao from Dark cloud or Aisha clan-clan from outlaw star.
{rolls 1 on Knowledge (anime) check} My anime knowledge is pretty limited. I do like Annapuma and Unipuma from Masamune Shirow's Dominion Tank Police. ...Although they don't have tails like Pathfinder catfolk, and PF catfolk would probably wear more clothing in combat.
Edit: 11 more days?! ARGH!
Matrix Dragon |
So, I am starting to realize how crazy the new "Racial Paragon" vigilante talent can be. It lets you temporarily get any racial feat that you meet the prereqs for. If you take this multiple times, you can either get the racial feat faster, or get *several at once*. A kitsune could use it to temporarily gain several tail feats at once.
This is very good for a lot of races, but it is especially crazy for the kitsune, humans, and any other race that can get access to the human Racial Heritage feat. That is because with Racial Heritage you can also access another humanoid race's feats with Racial Paragon. Kitsune can get access to their racial feats, human racial feats with Human Guise, and then a 3rd race's feats with Racial Heritage (which human guise lets them qualify for).
Matrix Dragon |
Talents can never be taken more than once unless they say so.
Yes, this one specifically says it can be taken more than once. It basically states that if you take it three times you can gain a single feat as an immediate action, or three feats as a standard action. 3+1/2 vigilante levels per day.
The one real limitation it has is that you can only gain feats from a single race at a time.
Edit: Also, many GMs would scoff at the idea of a Kitsune with Human Guise getting access to the Racial Heritage feat, lol XD
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Matrix Dragon |
Also, racial paragon says you actually have to have be the race listed by the feat, if I recall correctly.
Hmmm. I've read it over again, and all it says is that he gains a feat with a racial prerequisite that he meets but doesn't have, and that he must meet all of the feat's prerequisites.
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doc the grey wrote:I would also argue that since pathfinder races in general and catfolk in specific don't have many mechanical options exclusively tied to their race and with catfolk in particular lacking a lot of narrative as compared to many of the other races we are kind of only left with the art to discuss. So far it has kind of been the most distinct thing exclusive to catfolk.There are a number of us in the office who would love to expand on the role of catfolk within the Pathfinder setting, but we just haven't had the opportunity to do so in the right place yet. While I had hoped this book would be present such a chance, we wanted to make sure to give every race included as many new rules options as possible. That meant that we couldn't focus as much on flavor as we might have in something like a campaign setting book or adventure path volume. Rest assured, however, that we will further explore catfolk ecologies, history, and society when the time is right. Until then, let us know how you want them to look, I guess.
Thanks for the reply and I'm on the Carolina Eade train. Thief & the Cobbler meets Asha Clan Clan is the s@*@, would love to see just a few more pieces by her at the very least to get more of that vibe in different contexts like say cat witch! Barring that, I could do with more from the Inner Sea Races to compare it against. Just no more Khajit stuff for a bit, we've got enough of those across the board.
Ohh and some art of male Catfolk. Totally want a reason to see Eade do a male catfolk witch or gunslinger or samurai, ohh or a cavalier on a tiger! Seriously that would be the s%**.