Pathfinder Player Companion: Legacy of Dragons (PFRPG)

Hopefully the bloodlines will not be bloodrager only, but finaly have some nice and meaningfull flavor and mechanics for sorcerers again!

And some stuff for monks! More Dragon Style!

I can't wait to see post from the people at Paizo for managing our expectations.

I have to say this one of the most vague product descriptions to date. When I first say it I thought it was a campaign setting book not a player compendium book.

All I know is I agree with one poster, MORE Linnorm!

You mean more options related to Linnorms right, because this is a players companion so no new monsters.

Well that yes, but basically anything Linnorm related would be nice, Dragon78

I am sure "true" dragons will not be the only type of dragon that gets love in this one.

That's all I ask Dragon78.

Though how much love is the real question.

I hope enough love to make all linnorms feel warm inside!

That'll be good, as they often come from chilly places.

I so love dragons!!! I wish this was somehow connected to the Dragonrider Class from SSG or Rite Publishings In the Company of Dragons but I'll still purchase this for all its scaley goodness.

Not to get your hopes up unnecessarily, but the Genius that wrote the Dracomancer and Dragonrider classes for RGG just happens to work at Paizo.

A dragonrider, dracomancer, dragonmaster, dragon warrior, and/or dragon shaman archetypes, etc. would be cool.

I think I would getting my hopes up too much for a dragon blooded human race though.

Mount options for paladin/cavalier/ranger.
Options for barbarian becoming a draconic warrior.
Expanded (revised?) bloodlines for sorcerers.

Ruyan.

ARGH! You keep thinking up stuff I want just so I won't cancel my PC Subscription, right?! You're targeting me!!!

And I love it! Thank you so much. :-P

I 2nd Set's call for some more Dragon-themed Bardic Masterpieces! Please! The few we have are interesting but it sure would be cool to have something that gives dragon-like abilities for a short duration (or protection from said Dragon abilities...).

Damn, i'm all for a dragon hardcover :P

I would love a dragon themed hardcover.

I hope this sells well so we can more books along this line such as fey, giants, elementals, etc.

At this point, short of being the size of the CRB, I... *is shot*

I would support this hardcover if it were about TianXia in general with a large essay and stuff (crunch and flavor) about imperial dragons.

I get the feelig a romance option for an imperial dragon (for all genders & choices) could be a big seller there in an AP or module :D

Romance?! With a dragon?!! Are we heathens now?!

*looks the half dragon template* I guess we are...

And we are looking for a hardcover book in Player Companions? Either I am confused or others are...
Just in case some do not know: Player Companion line are soft cover 32 page expansions of the Pathfinder game with Golarion influence usually aimed at players and their characters.
While it would be nice to get a hardcover on dragons in Pathfinder, that is not what this is.

Hmm, I hope for an animal companion archetype that lets you pick up a draconic animal companion in some fashion, as well as a summoner or an eidolon archetype that lets you have an eidolon that's a dragon rather than an outsider. Perhaps a spiritualist archetype who gets a phantom that's a ghost of a dragon, instead? Some feats or magic items that help out the dragon disciple prestige class would also be nice, as well as perhaps some that help someone using form of the dragon spells. And, of course, I would also like some rules for selecting other dragons (primal, imperial, outer, etc.) for form of the dragon spells, draconic sorcerer bloodline, draconic bloodrager, etc.

I'd definitely also like some new spells that grant various draconic powers, though some of those certainly exist already...or perhaps some occult rituals? An occult ritual that could turn you into a half-dragon, whether permanently or just for a time, would be pretty interesting. As well as one that awakens you as a draconic bloodline sorcerer or bloodrager, allowing free retraining, perhaps?

I'd also be interested in seeing some stuff for those who worship Smiad, Apsu, Dahak, and other dragon-associated deities and demigods, I think.

Draconic "animal" companions would be awesome.

Anyhoo, Legacy huh. Sounds like new line. I wonder if its like Blood of lines for ancient things or if its chronicling effects on world by super ancient beings xD

"Blood of" wouldn't be an accurate description of this book, because it's not about playing a dragon or half-dragon or presenting some new dragon PC race. It's more about how the influence of dragons may impact people, places, and things.

And yes, obviously, if we thought we had a good idea for another book that similarly looked at the influence some other group has on Golarion and its protagonists, we'd likely use a Legacy-style title.

For example, and confidentially, I pitched "Legacy of Otyughs" as a follow-up, but for some reason no one's gotten back to me about that idea yet...

So it mentions bloodlines of dragons up there. Could we expect a race of dragon people?

No.

I so love dragons!!! I wish this was somehow connected to the Dragonrider Class from SSG or Rite Publishings In the Company of Dragons but I'll still purchase this for all its scaley goodness.

As much as I love the Dragonrider (and I accept my admitted bias), I don't foresee us ever adding a 3pp character class in a Player Companion book.

I can't wait to see post from the people at Paizo for managing our expectations.

Hi!

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We only have 32 pages, folks.

ARGH! You keep thinking up stuff I want just so I won't cancel my PC Subscription, right?! You're targeting me!!!

Yep.

It was your turn.

I would love a dragon themed hardcover.

I hope this sells well so we can more books along this line such as fey, giants, elementals, etc.

Feel free to buy three copies and encourage your friends to do the same!

Linnorms?

WotC released a book for 3.5 called Dragon Magic. Supposedly they called it that because the two highest selling categories of books for them were ones with either "Dragon" or "Magic" in the title.

Oh, would you look at that. One of the two main authors of that book is also developing this one. Gee.

Eh, bring it on anyway. Can't get enough draconic-y goodness.

If you're interested in a dragon-ish player race, check out the Dragonkin here.

WotC released a book for 3.5 called Dragon Magic. Supposedly they called it that because the two highest selling categories of books for them were ones with either "Dragon" or "Magic" in the title.

The origin of the book's title had no impact on how seriously we undertook writing it. :)

Oh, would you look at that. One of the two main authors of that book is also developing this one. Gee.

Who'd have thunk? :)

Maybe we will get some summoning spells to summon dragons with this book.

And we are looking for a hardcover book in Player Companions? Either I am confused or others are...

Just in case some do not know: Player Companion line are soft cover 32 page expansions of the Pathfinder game with Golarion influence usually aimed at players and their characters.
While it would be nice to get a hardcover on dragons in Pathfinder, that is not what this is.

It got way over your head isn't it? People want so many different things for this book that it would require an Hardcover to fit at least 30% of them. Player Companion being a mere 32 pages will make a lot of people complain.

Fourshadow wrote:

And we are looking for a hardcover book in Player Companions?

It got way over your head isn't it? People want so many different things for this book that it would require an Hardcover to fit at least 30% of them. Player Companion being a mere 32 pages will make a lot of people complain.

May 2010, Adventurer's Armory is the most successful Player Companion ever.

September 2012. Ultimate Equipment.

I'm not saying making Legacy of Dragons the most successful PC ever would mean a hardback for dragons would follow... but we'd sure notice!

Dragon78 wrote:

I can't wait to see post from the people at Paizo for managing our expectations.

Hi!

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We only have 32 pages, folks.

Aw. I was hoping for 65! :p :)

So it wouldn't hurt to try to make it successful;)

Kvantum wrote:

WotC released a book for 3.5 called Dragon Magic. Supposedly they called it that because the two highest selling categories of books for them were ones with either "Dragon" or "Magic" in the title.

The origin of the book's title had no impact on how seriously we undertook writing it. :)

Hey, I loved Dragon Magic. Lots of cool stuff in there. It gave us the only other invocation-using class in all of 3e.

But like I said, bring this one on, and then get to writing the hardback followup for Gencon 2017.

*still wants more Linnorm stuff*

I'm not saying making Legacy of Dragons the most successful PC ever would mean a hardback for dragons would follow... but we'd sure notice!

So, hypothetically speaking... were this book to do well, would the chances of a dragon themed AP increase?

A dragon themed AP would be awesome.

+1 to a Dragon AP.

CorvusMask wrote:

Anyhoo, Legacy huh. Sounds like new line. I wonder if its like Blood of lines for ancient things or if its chronicling effects on world by super ancient beings xD

"Blood of" wouldn't be an accurate description of this book, because it's not about playing a dragon or half-dragon or presenting some new dragon PC race. It's more about how the influence of dragons may impact people, places, and things.

And yes, obviously, if we thought we had a good idea for another book that similarly looked at the influence some other group has on Golarion and its protagonists, we'd likely use a Legacy-style title.

For example, and confidentially, I pitched "Legacy of Otyughs" as a follow-up, but for some reason no one's gotten back to me about that idea yet...

I actually started a draft for a 3rd party Legacy of Otyughs, but I trashed the project. Honestly, it was mostly garbage.

I recently came up with an Alchemist themed character that uses SCIENCE to replicate "draconic powers" and goes around claiming she is a half-dragon. Perhaps this book would help with that? Maybe some dragon themed discoveries or archetypes? Draconic mutagens?

Fourshadow wrote:

ARGH! You keep thinking up stuff I want just so I won't cancel my PC Subscription, right?! You're targeting me!!!

Yep.

It was your turn.

Well, what do you know? There IS a reason I am paranoid...

Hoping for racial traits like Feyborn (Heroes of the Wild) in this! Also expanded draconic bloodlines--especially for the bloodrager.

Those of you who are writing this player's companion sure have your work cut out for you, because it is going to be hard to meet all these expectations with a mere 32 pages, lol. Considering how good the last few player's companions have been though, I am looking forward to this one :)

How about making bloodlines in a format that works for both bloodragers and sorcerers?

It´s about urgent time though sorcerers get some new and especially shiny stuff. Between bloodragers and arcanists they have a real hard time and been treated like unloved stepchildren too long!

And what would be a more thematic book for sorcerers than this?

I recently came up with an Alchemist themed character that uses SCIENCE to replicate "draconic powers" and goes around claiming she is a half-dragon. Perhaps this book would help with that? Maybe some dragon themed discoveries or archetypes? Draconic mutagens?

You can actually already get some of that even without this book. Draconic Reservoir and Dragon's Breath formulae, and the Master Chymist prestige class's Draconic Mutagen ability. Now the enhanced mutagen does require a minimum 16th character level, so lower-level options for draconic alchemy would be needed.

Hopefully that's one of the things this book can provide.

A dragon themed AP would be awesome.

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Dragon78 wrote:

A dragon themed AP would be awesome.

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Hermea adventure path?