Pathfinder Player Companion: Legacy of Dragons (PFRPG)

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The Power of Dragons Is Yours

Few creatures inspire greater awe than dragons, and Pathfinder Player Companion: Legacy of Dragons dives into the ripples left in these mighty creatures' wake. Whether they help or harm, dragons make a lasting impression, from the legends and philosophies they inspire to the bloodlines they foster.

Inside this book you'll find:

  • New archetypes ranging from the dragonheir scion to the wyrmwitch, allowing players to access draconic appearances as well as lore, powers, and spells.
  • Ways for characters to enlist drakes and lesser dragons to serve as allies, improved familiars, and even flying mounts.
  • New draconic bloodlines for bloodragers and sorcerers, allowing eldritch abilities based on esoteric, imperial, outer, and primal dragons.

This Pathfinder Player Companion is intended for use with the Pathfinder Roleplaying Game, but can be easily incorporated into any fantasy world.

ISBN-13: 978-1-60125-853-3

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Packed with good options for your use

5/5

I enjoyed this book (I got the print edition). It offers good options for use for a player with a dragon bloodline. And I don't mean just the sorcerer bloodlines, although they are in there too. There are options and archetypes for your use. Well worth the price.


Fluff good, not much else is.

2/5

I wanted to like this book. I really, really, really did. The fluff is great, and the 'premise' of the archetypes and drakes are nice.

But.

Both the archetypes, and the drake companions themselves, have some of the worst balancing I have seen in pathfinder. An example of this is the druid, who replaces an animal companion with a drake companion. The drake is actually weaker then alot of normal animal companion choices, and to take the archetype actually removes six of his core abilities just for the drake part of the archetype, never mind the additional abilities changed for the other parts of the archetype.

I really hope at some point paizo revisits the idea of these drake archetypes and companions and does a tremendous re-balancing, as many of these archetypes feel almost unplayable with how bad they can gimp a character.


The new Dragon-themed options are BAD

1/5

I picked up this book excited to create my new "Dragon" themed character and all the options were very weak. Also, throughout the book there were sentences repeated over and over again. I waited months for this issue and I'm completely disappointed. It's the worst Player Companion I've ever read.


Some bad, some good. Sorta meh

2/5

This book has a few good ideas and some great flavor text.

It falls short on the mechanics side though, especially with the archetypes that involve drakes. The cavalier archetype that gets a drake is the worst, and is so bad, I think the writer(s) who made it have never played a cavalier before, it just guts the class.

There are some glaring typos in the book, like a certain fighter archetype replacing a bonus feat at a level that the fighter does not get a bonus feat on.

This book could have been, dare I say SHOULD have been, so much more.


Great Flavor, Great Options

5/5

While I usually like some sections of the player companion line, I very rarely like all of them. This is the rare exception. Excellent character options, monsters, and spells throughout.


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Silver Crusade

doc the grey wrote:

*refreshes page*

Damn! Still not able to download.

Okay I asked this before but haven't got an answer so here it goes,
Is there anything for the medium in here?

Also is there a way to get a drake companion beyond the archetypes listed here?

My investigating has revealed a "no" to both, sorry.

Silver Crusade

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Gisher wrote:

A Psuedowyvern sounds like a Pathfinder version of a jhereg. :)

What's the overview of the Calligraphy Worm? That sounds interesting.

They're adorable little Wyrms that can change into a fountain pen and have ink sacs (in their natural form they write with their claws), they love reading, writing, languages, and discovering new forms of the above. They can be gained through Improved Familiar.


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Matrix Dragon wrote:
Alchemaic wrote:


Speak for yourself, those mummy dragon guys in Archdragon Peak looked cool.

Still though, not really sold on that archetype. It sounds like it trades out projectile bombs for... nothing really.

Alchemists who focus on melee attacks rather than bombs are actually quite powerful. As long as they get their buffs running before the battle starts, lol.

Oh believe me, my DM and I are fully aware of how good melee alchemists are. My last one had a lot of the same discoveries that this archetype seems to give. Except that he also kept the ability to throw bombs at range instead of just a cone, in addition to not trading out any class features which I assume this archetype will do. It just sounds like a really subpar trade when you can do all the stuff it already does without compromising anything else.

Silver Crusade

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There's also a sidebar addressing gaining a Pyrausta (Bestiary 5) through Improved Familiar.


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Rysky wrote:
Gisher wrote:

A Psuedowyvern sounds like a Pathfinder version of a jhereg. :)

What's the overview of the Calligraphy Worm? That sounds interesting.

They're adorable little Wyrms that can change into a fountain pen and have ink sacs (in their natural form they write with their claws), they love reading, writing, languages, and discovering new forms of the above. They can be gained through Improved Familiar.

That. Sounds. Awesome!

Silver Crusade

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Gisher wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Gisher wrote:

A Psuedowyvern sounds like a Pathfinder version of a jhereg. :)

What's the overview of the Calligraphy Worm? That sounds interesting.

They're adorable little Wyrms that can change into a fountain pen and have ink sacs (in their natural form they write with their claws), they love reading, writing, languages, and discovering new forms of the above. They can be gained through Improved Familiar.
That. Sounds. Awesome!

They are, adorable too!

Shadow Lodge

Rysky wrote:
doc the grey wrote:

*refreshes page*

Damn! Still not able to download.

Okay I asked this before but haven't got an answer so here it goes,
Is there anything for the medium in here?

Also is there a way to get a drake companion beyond the archetypes listed here?

My investigating has revealed a "no" to both, sorry.

Double dammit! This is not going to make character creation any easier with my new player T-T.

Now what classes get the drake companion?


Druid, Cavalier, Shaman, Paladin...there might be one more. I don't even have the PDFs (yet). I've been paying attention.

Silver Crusade

Ranger also gets one.


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Rysky wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Entryhazard wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
So what does the draconic spell descriptor do?
At 5 HD creatures with the dragon type can add the spell to their spells known, and can add another at each additional HD after that.
Does this work even for Dragonkins with levels in spontaneous classes like a Wyvaran Sorcerer or Inquisitor?
It specifically calls out racial hit dice.
Speaking of Wyvarans, this book has a whole section on them. They get alternate racial traits, favored class bonuses, and racial feats.

I believe this deserves what you would call a sqee.

I would do it myself, but I think it would lose meaning.

Silver Crusade

Xethik wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Entryhazard wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
So what does the draconic spell descriptor do?
At 5 HD creatures with the dragon type can add the spell to their spells known, and can add another at each additional HD after that.
Does this work even for Dragonkins with levels in spontaneous classes like a Wyvaran Sorcerer or Inquisitor?
It specifically calls out racial hit dice.
Speaking of Wyvarans, this book has a whole section on them. They get alternate racial traits, favored class bonuses, and racial feats.

I believe this deserves what you would call a sqee.

I would do it myself, but I think it would lose meaning.

Not if you mean it it doesn't.


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Rysky wrote:
Gisher wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Gisher wrote:

A Psuedowyvern sounds like a Pathfinder version of a jhereg. :)

What's the overview of the Calligraphy Worm? That sounds interesting.

They're adorable little Wyrms that can change into a fountain pen and have ink sacs (in their natural form they write with their claws), they love reading, writing, languages, and discovering new forms of the above. They can be gained through Improved Familiar.
That. Sounds. Awesome!

They are, adorable too!

SQUEE!!!

I've decided that was more squee worthy.
Absolutely perfect. Was there an inspiration source for this? This is such a freakin' cool and adorable idea!

Silver Crusade

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Xethik wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Gisher wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Gisher wrote:

A Psuedowyvern sounds like a Pathfinder version of a jhereg. :)

What's the overview of the Calligraphy Worm? That sounds interesting.

They're adorable little Wyrms that can change into a fountain pen and have ink sacs (in their natural form they write with their claws), they love reading, writing, languages, and discovering new forms of the above. They can be gained through Improved Familiar.
That. Sounds. Awesome!

They are, adorable too!

SQUEE!!!

I've decided that was more squee worthy.
Absolutely perfect. Was there an inspiration source for this? This is such a freakin' cool and adorable idea!

Also do they write just with one claw at a time or do any of them train themselves (or are innately gifted) to be able to write with all four claws at once?


Has anyone gotten their book yet in pdf?

Sovereign Court

Rysky wrote:
Ranger also gets one.

No Hunter drakes? Drat.

Scarab Sages Developer, Starfinder Team

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Kyrand wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Ranger also gets one.
No Hunter drakes? Drat.

That largely fell into our "only 32 pages" issue.


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ლ(ಠ益ಠლ) Y it not August 4th already?


Couple things.

First, the arcane strike ability of the scion is somewhat borked, as it doesn't scale as the ability doesn't provide a caster level replacement. So for 2 feats (Eldritch Strikes and Draconic Strike both replace feats) you basically get 1+1d4 damage per attack at the cost of a swift action, which is not so good.

Second, draconic malice is a crazy good spell. 3rd level, wide access(basically everyone but paladins/druids/rangers/hunters), no save aoe removal of fear/mind-affecting immunity of living creatures with regards to basically all your relevant fear effects. Sure its only 10 ft range, but its also a minutes/level aura. So its great for intimimancers and a nice support for enchanters. I sure as heck wish I had had it for the Bloodrager I just finished playing that went for a hurtful build.


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How much fun would a Calligraphy Wyrm be for a Warlock Vigilante?

"Greetings, citizen. What is this disturbance?"

"The Fiery Fist and his trusty sidekick the Wyrm of Wonder saved that shopkeeper from a band of robbers. You just missed it. Who are you?"

"I am a reporter for The Daily Golarion, Good Sir, and I would love to tell your story. Let me just grab my writing pad and trusty fountain pen..."

Dark Archive

Any idea how long it will take physical copies to start showing up in local game stores?


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Gisher wrote:

How much fun would a Calligraphy Wyrm be for a Warlock Vigilante?

"Greetings, citizen. What is this disturbance?"

"The Fiery Fist and his trusty sidekick the Wyrm of Wonder saved that shopkeeper from a band of robbers. You just missed it. Who are you?"

"I am a reporter for The Daily Golarion, Good Sir, and I would love to tell your story. Let me just grab my writing pad and trusty fountain pen..."

I see what you did there. Very nice!

Whelp, closing time and still no PDF. I don't remember ever waiting this long...


Good news! My copy just shipped.


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Craig Tierney wrote:
Any idea how long it will take physical copies to start showing up in local game stores?

August 4th, generally.

"Fourshadow wrote:
Whelp, closing time and still no PDF. I don't remember ever waiting this long...

You've been lucky, then, if you've always gotten it within the first week of shipping!


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The more I hear about this book the more I know I have to get a copy.

Dark Archive

Anyone willing to share anything about the cavalier archetype?


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I love the stuff on dragon magic.

That just means now I can make all those lovely Umbral Great Wyrm Dragons get MORE spells to befuddle my players!!

And you know, Linnorms. ;)


So what exactly is in this book that is Linnorm related?


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Ask Rysky. The book is in their possession.

Dark Archive

Dragon78 wrote:
So what exactly is in this book that is Linnorm related?

Unfortunately, the only thing that's been mentioned is a linnorm combat style chain. Check earlier pages of the thread for details.


Would anyone be willing to spoil either what the Scaled Fist replaces or even just if it stacks with MoMS?


Skaldi the Tallest wrote:
Would anyone be willing to spoil either what the Scaled Fist replaces or even just if it stacks with MoMS?

Hearing what it replaces would be lovely.

I would almost bet it stacks with MoMS because it sounds to me it should replace Perfect Self for some dragon flavored stuff - though I'd looooooove to see some FOUR HEADED DRAGON STYLE action.

Shadow Lodge

Woot! Got my copy!

Now, can anyone else with this book explain to me how the Half-Elf trait Dragon Soul is any good? Cause right now it looks really awful but I'm wondering if anyone here is seeing something I'm just not seeing?


Wat it do?

Silver Crusade

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Calth wrote:

Couple things.

First, the arcane strike ability of the scion is somewhat borked, as it doesn't scale as the ability doesn't provide a caster level replacement. So for 2 feats (Eldritch Strikes and Draconic Strike both replace feats) you basically get 1+1d4 damage per attack at the cost of a swift action, which is not so good.

Second, draconic malice is a crazy good spell. 3rd level, wide access(basically everyone but paladins/druids/rangers/hunters), no save aoe removal of fear/mind-affecting immunity of living creatures with regards to basically all your relevant fear effects. Sure its only 10 ft range, but its also a minutes/level aura. So its great for intimimancers and a nice support for enchanters. I sure as heck wish I had had it for the Bloodrager I just finished playing that went for a hurtful build.

Seeing as how you ignore the prerequisites for Arcane Strike it's safe to assume you go off character level rather than caster level.

And yeah, that spell's good for fear builds. And dragons.

Silver Crusade

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Craig Tierney wrote:
Dragon78 wrote:
So what exactly is in this book that is Linnorm related?
Unfortunately, the only thing that's been mentioned is a linnorm combat style chain. Check earlier pages of the thread for details.

There's also Linnorm options for the Draconic Heritge feat, nice little debuff.

There's also a Regional Trait from Land of The Linnorm Kings that makes you more resistant to curses (and extremely resistant to a Linnorm's curse).

That's all I've seen so far, but Owen did do some expectation managing from the beginning.

Silver Crusade

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Craig Tierney wrote:
Anyone willing to share anything about the cavalier archetype?

You get a Drake Companion. And whatever Order you want to join is subject to approval by your Drake.

Silver Crusade

Secret Wizard wrote:
Wat it do?

You trade your human or elf subtype to be treated as a dragon for effects (but not prerequisites). You also get watered down bonuses instead of immunities.

Silver Crusade

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Secret Wizard wrote:
Skaldi the Tallest wrote:
Would anyone be willing to spoil either what the Scaled Fist replaces or even just if it stacks with MoMS?

Hearing what it replaces would be lovely.

I would almost bet it stacks with MoMS because it sounds to me it should replace Perfect Self for some dragon flavored stuff - though I'd looooooove to see some FOUR HEADED DRAGON STYLE action.

Modifies Bonus Feats,

For Core Monk replaces Still Mind, Manuever Training, Quivering Palm.

For Unchained Monk replaces Ki Power gained at 4th, 12th.

I could be reading that wrong though.


Rysky wrote:
Secret Wizard wrote:
Skaldi the Tallest wrote:
Would anyone be willing to spoil either what the Scaled Fist replaces or even just if it stacks with MoMS?

Hearing what it replaces would be lovely.

I would almost bet it stacks with MoMS because it sounds to me it should replace Perfect Self for some dragon flavored stuff - though I'd looooooove to see some FOUR HEADED DRAGON STYLE action.

Modifies Bonus Feats,

For Core Monk replaces Still Mind, Manuever Training, Quivering Palm.

For Unchained Monk replaces Ki Power gained at 4th, 12th.

I could be reading that wrong though.

Bwah bwah, Bonus Feats got altered, el no stacko.

Odd that it doesn't replace Still Mind for UnMonks?


Rysky wrote:
Ventnor wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Cruel Illusion wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Cruel Illusion wrote:

Thanks Rysky!

Also, what about the With Archetype?
Instead of a familiar they commune with a hoard of loot. I'm not joking.
Does it have to be a "giant pile of gold" hoard, or could your witch form a bond with a stamp collection or a heap of really rad bottle caps?

Anything that's not magical, alchemical, weapons, armor, or tools.

So basically coins, gems, "art" and other forms of wealth. So you're good :3

This sounds hilarious... What else does it do besides the "Hoard Familiar" swap? What abilities does it modify?


Kvantum wrote:
Traits for growing up in a domain touched by dragons.

Is this generic, or keyed to specific realms, e.g. Xa Hoi, Hermea?

Silver Crusade

Quandary wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Cruel Illusion wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Cruel Illusion wrote:

Thanks Rysky!

Also, what about the With Archetype?
Instead of a familiar they commune with a hoard of loot. I'm not joking.
Does it have to be a "giant pile of gold" hoard, or could your witch form a bond with a stamp collection or a heap of really rad bottle caps?

Anything that's not magical, alchemical, weapons, armor, or tools.

So basically coins, gems, "art" and other forms of wealth. So you're good :3
This sounds hilarious... What else does it do besides the "Hoard Familiar" swap? What abilities does it modify?

That's it, aside from having to pick the Dragon (which there are different versions) Patron.

Silver Crusade

Quandary wrote:
Kvantum wrote:
Traits for growing up in a domain touched by dragons.
Is this generic, or keyed to specific realms, e.g. Xa Hoi, Hermea?

There's Golarion specific regional traits, but there's alternate racial traits for growing up with dragons.

Silver Crusade

Secret Wizard wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Secret Wizard wrote:
Skaldi the Tallest wrote:
Would anyone be willing to spoil either what the Scaled Fist replaces or even just if it stacks with MoMS?

Hearing what it replaces would be lovely.

I would almost bet it stacks with MoMS because it sounds to me it should replace Perfect Self for some dragon flavored stuff - though I'd looooooove to see some FOUR HEADED DRAGON STYLE action.

Modifies Bonus Feats,

For Core Monk replaces Still Mind, Manuever Training, Quivering Palm.

For Unchained Monk replaces Ki Power gained at 4th, 12th.

I could be reading that wrong though.

Bwah bwah, Bonus Feats got altered, el no stacko.

Odd that it doesn't replace Still Mind for UnMonks?

Like I said I might be reading it wrong and it replaces the same core powers from the unmonk *shrugs*


Are there any differences other then breath weapons for the alternate draconic bloodlines?

Silver Crusade Contributor

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Dragon78 wrote:
Are there any differences other then breath weapons for the alternate draconic bloodlines?

Each one gets an alternative bloodline arcana - I found the esoteric one particularly interesting.

Also, I got my PDF. ^_^


Some of those dragons don't get a energy immunity so what did they do for them?

Dark Archive

Rysky wrote:
Craig Tierney wrote:
Anyone willing to share anything about the cavalier archetype?
You get a Drake Companion. And whatever Order you want to join is subject to approval by your Drake.

So the altered class features are just mount and order?

Silver Crusade

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Craig Tierney wrote:
Rysky wrote:
Craig Tierney wrote:
Anyone willing to share anything about the cavalier archetype?
You get a Drake Companion. And whatever Order you want to join is subject to approval by your Drake.
So the altered class features are just mount and order?

Replaces mount, tactician, expert trainer, banner, greater tactician, greater banner, master tactician and alters charge.

Order isn't actually altered, just up to the GM's discretion, well, more than usual anyway.

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