QuidEst |
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Is there anything that made anyone say "wow," or a one sentence pitch why I should buy this book?
More drawbacks. *mic drop*
Okay, but more seriously, I was wowed by the social talents, Scribe's Binding, and some really handy uses for existing skills. I liked two of the three Vigilante archetypes a lot, although the third didn't get enough for its trades.
QuidEst |
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Can I get a summary of Scribe's Binding?
Alexander Augunas Contributor |
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QuidEst wrote:... I now have awesome ideas for Character backstories.Plausible Pseudonym wrote:Can I get a summary of Scribe's Binding?** spoiler omitted **
My original pitch to Owen for that spell was, "Imagine evil wizards who keep entire libraries of trapped people to access their knowledge whenever they want."
It can basically turn any library into the more secure prison ever built.
Rysky |
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Rysky wrote:QuidEst wrote:... I now have awesome ideas for Character backstories.Plausible Pseudonym wrote:Can I get a summary of Scribe's Binding?** spoiler omitted **My original pitch to Owen for that spell was, "Imagine evil wizards who keep entire libraries of trapped people to access their knowledge whenever they want."
It can basically turn any library into the more secure prison ever built.
Or good wizards.
Then they die of old age... and then the books get donated to local school libraries...
Hunt, the PugWumpus |
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Plausible Pseudonym wrote:Can I get a summary of Scribe's Binding?Spoiler:Focus is a really expensive book. Fort save or the creature is permanently trapped in the book (9th level magic can fix that, of course) and their entire life is written in the book as a page per day. Got a magical way to modify text? It'll change their memories too.
All this time, goblins were certain that writing would steal your soul... and turns out, they were right.
... I now have awesome ideas for Character backstories.
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♫♪ Desna in the sky,You can go twice as high.
You took a look,
Now you're in her book,
A Reading Rysky!
You can go anywhere.
New friends you'll know,
Naughty ways you'll grow.
A Reading Rysky!
You can be anything.
It's everything you've heard,
Don't forget your safe word.
A Reading Rysky.
A Reading Rysky.
A Reading Rysky! ♫♪
Plausible Pseudonym |
Rysky wrote:QuidEst wrote:... I now have awesome ideas for Character backstories.Plausible Pseudonym wrote:Can I get a summary of Scribe's Binding?** spoiler omitted **My original pitch to Owen for that spell was, "Imagine evil wizards who keep entire libraries of trapped people to access their knowledge whenever they want."
It can basically turn any library into the more secure prison ever built.
Is it Wizard only? Makes sense, but poor Lore specialties of other 9th level casters.
Rysky |
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QuidEst wrote:Plausible Pseudonym wrote:Can I get a summary of Scribe's Binding?** spoiler omitted **All this time, goblins were certain that writing would steal your soul... and turns out, they were right.
Rysky wrote:... I now have awesome ideas for Character backstories..
♫♪ Desna in the sky,
You can go twice as high.
You took a look,
Now you're in her book,
A Reading Rysky!
You can go anywhere.
New friends you'll know,
Naughty ways you'll grow.
A Reading Rysky!
You can be anything.
It's everything you've heard,
Don't forget your safe word.
A Reading Rysky.
A Reading Rysky.
A Reading Rysky! ♫♪
... someone quote this so I can favourite it more than once.
Eric Hinkle |
Plausible Pseudonym wrote:Can I get a summary of Scribe's Binding?** spoiler omitted **
That is both awesome and creepy.
And hmm, I wonder what happens if one of those books gets reprinted? Or just re-written the way so many have been?
I also imagine what might happen if someone tosses off a potent dispel in a battle in a library, and it just so happens to affect some of those 'books'.
David knott 242 |
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Alexander Augunas wrote:Is it Wizard only? Makes sense, but poor Lore specialties of other 9th level casters.Rysky wrote:QuidEst wrote:... I now have awesome ideas for Character backstories.Plausible Pseudonym wrote:Can I get a summary of Scribe's Binding?** spoiler omitted **My original pitch to Owen for that spell was, "Imagine evil wizards who keep entire libraries of trapped people to access their knowledge whenever they want."
It can basically turn any library into the more secure prison ever built.
Spell level is listed as Occultist 6, Sorcerer/Wizard 9, Witch 9.
Valantrix1 |
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Plausible Pseudonym wrote:Alexander Augunas wrote:Is it Wizard only? Makes sense, but poor Lore specialties of other 9th level casters.Rysky wrote:QuidEst wrote:... I now have awesome ideas for Character backstories.Plausible Pseudonym wrote:Can I get a summary of Scribe's Binding?** spoiler omitted **My original pitch to Owen for that spell was, "Imagine evil wizards who keep entire libraries of trapped people to access their knowledge whenever they want."
It can basically turn any library into the more secure prison ever built.
Spell level is listed as Occultist 6, Sorcerer/Wizard 9, Witch 9.
Ok, now that spell sounds particularly awesome. I would buy this just for that spell.
Gisher |
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Plausible Pseudonym wrote:Alexander Augunas wrote:Is it Wizard only? Makes sense, but poor Lore specialties of other 9th level casters.Rysky wrote:QuidEst wrote:... I now have awesome ideas for Character backstories.Plausible Pseudonym wrote:Can I get a summary of Scribe's Binding?** spoiler omitted **My original pitch to Owen for that spell was, "Imagine evil wizards who keep entire libraries of trapped people to access their knowledge whenever they want."
It can basically turn any library into the more secure prison ever built.
Spell level is listed as Occultist 6, Sorcerer/Wizard 9, Witch 9.
So a Tome Eater Occultist could get this spell? How deliciously evil! ;)
Luthorne |
Is the Agathiel archetype basically a specialization (Like Warlock and Zealot) or is can it still pick avenger/stalker specialization? What does it trade, and what does it gain?
I really like the idea of this archetype
The agathiel alters dual identity and trades out the 2nd, 4th, 8th, 12th, and 16th level vigilante talents. Specialization is not affected.
It gains a restriction as to alignment, Aspect of the Beast as a bonus feat while in vigilante form, and the ability to imitate an animal that later turns in the ability to transform into one indefinitely, though they don't gain ability bonuses and only a limited number of abilities, though these increase as they level up.
Eric Hinkle |
jedi8187 wrote:Is the Agathiel archetype basically a specialization (Like Warlock and Zealot) or is can it still pick avenger/stalker specialization? What does it trade, and what does it gain?
I really like the idea of this archetype
The agathiel alters dual identity and trades out the 2nd, 4th, 8th, 12th, and 16th level vigilante talents. Specialization is not affected.
It gains a restriction as to alignment, Aspect of the Beast as a bonus feat while in vigilante form, and the ability to imitate an animal that later turns in the ability to transform into one indefinitely, though they don't gain ability bonuses and only a limited number of abilities, though these increase as they level up.
I have to say, it seems like the agathiel archetype loses an awful lot of its talents.
Alexander Augunas Contributor |
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Luthorne wrote:I have to say, it seems like the agathiel archetype loses an awful lot of its talents.jedi8187 wrote:Is the Agathiel archetype basically a specialization (Like Warlock and Zealot) or is can it still pick avenger/stalker specialization? What does it trade, and what does it gain?
I really like the idea of this archetype
The agathiel alters dual identity and trades out the 2nd, 4th, 8th, 12th, and 16th level vigilante talents. Specialization is not affected.
It gains a restriction as to alignment, Aspect of the Beast as a bonus feat while in vigilante form, and the ability to imitate an animal that later turns in the ability to transform into one indefinitely, though they don't gain ability bonuses and only a limited number of abilities, though these increase as they level up.
Yeah, at-will indefinite-duration shapeshifting tends to do that.
David knott 242 |
What is going on with the Player Companion threads?
It seems that any attempt to access the subscription page or any Player Companion after the Spymaster's Handbook generates an error. I cannot access the discussion of any future Player Companion.
shadowhntr7 |
So, I wanted to ask people's understanding of the Agathiel ability: it says he gains "unusual traits that set him apart from ordinary animals". The way it's worded, I can see it either giving one additional ability ('unusual traits') beyond what the animal would normally give with beast shape 1, or just 1 ability the animal would have and nothing else. Thoughts?
Luthorne |
So, I wanted to ask people's understanding of the Agathiel ability: it says he gains "unusual traits that set him apart from ordinary animals". The way it's worded, I can see it either giving one additional ability ('unusual traits') beyond what the animal would normally give with beast shape 1, or just 1 ability the animal would have and nothing else. Thoughts?
I think it's pretty clear that they initially get only one of the abilities the animal would have and nothing else beyond the usual things you get from a polymorph spell (such as natural attacks, base land speed, etc.); the unusual traits are probably the absence of these extra abilities. Of course, as they level up, they get access to more.
Alexander Augunas Contributor |
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shadowhntr7 wrote:So, I wanted to ask people's understanding of the Agathiel ability: it says he gains "unusual traits that set him apart from ordinary animals". The way it's worded, I can see it either giving one additional ability ('unusual traits') beyond what the animal would normally give with beast shape 1, or just 1 ability the animal would have and nothing else. Thoughts?I think it's pretty clear that they initially get only one of the abilities the animal would have and nothing else beyond the usual things you get from a polymorph spell (such as natural attacks, base land speed, etc.); the unusual traits are probably the absence of these extra abilities. Of course, as they level up, they get access to more.
"Unusual traits that set him apart from ordinary animals," is cosmetic. Like having green fur.
Teen titans was my favorite animated cartoon....
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Eric Hinkle wrote:Yeah, at-will indefinite-duration shapeshifting tends to do that.Luthorne wrote:I have to say, it seems like the agathiel archetype loses an awful lot of its talents.jedi8187 wrote:Is the Agathiel archetype basically a specialization (Like Warlock and Zealot) or is can it still pick avenger/stalker specialization? What does it trade, and what does it gain?
I really like the idea of this archetype
The agathiel alters dual identity and trades out the 2nd, 4th, 8th, 12th, and 16th level vigilante talents. Specialization is not affected.
It gains a restriction as to alignment, Aspect of the Beast as a bonus feat while in vigilante form, and the ability to imitate an animal that later turns in the ability to transform into one indefinitely, though they don't gain ability bonuses and only a limited number of abilities, though these increase as they level up.
The Agathiel also gets one huge advantage over other shapeshifters like druids: their gear doesn't merge into their new form. It reshapes to fit the animal form. That means he can get the full benefits of armor (but not weapons).
He is also trading those vigilante talents for the ability to choose abilities from the beast shape spell list when he shapeshifts. At level 16 they can get 3 beast shape III abilities or 1 beast shape IV ability.
David knott 242 |
The problem I noted for this product line seems to extend to the subscription page and future products of every product line I have checked so far.
David knott 242 |
I think it has to be most people -- nobody has posted any messages in the threads for any future products since yesterday afternoon.
Anyway -- my GM is looking forward to the Spymaster's Handbook being available to him and the other players. He has made me just paranoid enough to consider taking that Sense Loyalties feat for use on my own party.
jedi8187 |
jedi8187 wrote:Is the Agathiel archetype basically a specialization (Like Warlock and Zealot) or is can it still pick avenger/stalker specialization? What does it trade, and what does it gain?
I really like the idea of this archetype
The agathiel alters dual identity and trades out the 2nd, 4th, 8th, 12th, and 16th level vigilante talents. Specialization is not affected.
It gains a restriction as to alignment, Aspect of the Beast as a bonus feat while in vigilante form, and the ability to imitate an animal that later turns in the ability to transform into one indefinitely, though they don't gain ability bonuses and only a limited number of abilities, though these increase as they level up.
Thanks, looks fun.
QuidEst |
Very nice will it be possible one day to make a psychic vigilante?
Flippant response is "You mean Psychic Investigator?", but in seriousness, that does work pretty well. You just need to use the secret identity rules from Inner Sea Intrigue, and after a level of maintaining it with your skills, you'll get Vigilante-like divination protection.
But yeah, I wouldn't mind a Vigilante/Mesmerist intersection archetype.
QuidEst |
How are the new drawbacks? Are any of them interesting or are they all just more piles of numbers?
Magical Klutz: Roll twice and take the worse on UMD to activate items and on reflex vs. magic item effects.
Righteous Indignation: You always take attacks of opportunity presented by foes unless you make a will save. -1 vs. non-fear emotion spells.
Occult Bargain: -1 on concentration, but you also have to invoke a particular name daily or be unable to regain spell slots for that day.
The other eight are purely numerical.
jedi8187 |
I look forward to seeing what the public has to say now.
I mostly got the book for vigilante stuff, which is the only stealth like class I like. I was not disappointed in that regard. A few social talents seem useful, and the vigilante talents mostly seem to be good and fun ideas. Agathiel joins psychometrist as a go to archetype for the class. The ninja one, not where I can look at the name, looks really good if not my style. I haven't looked at non vigilante material just yet really, what I have seen looks interesting at least.