Pathfinder Adventure Path #103: The Hellfire Compact (Hell's Vengeance 1 of 6) (PFRPG)

The Player's Guide for Hell's Vengeance was delayed. I'm certain it'll be released today.

Re: Player's Guide

The Hell's Rebels Player's Guide will not be up for download today. I know there was an assumption that it would be available on our monthly street dates for products, and folks are really wanting to get their hands on it. Information about the Player's Guide and the Guide itself will be going up tomorrow afternoon (PST). We'll be posting everywhere and sending out a mailing when it becomes available!

Why is the Player's Guide taking so long?

Adam got behind.

By the way: We do not yet know how much blood is needed from each of the 100 innocents, so we cannot be sure whether this evil ritual requires killing 100 innocents or just making 100 innocents suffer a lot. Asmodeans generally prefer the latter, but I suspect that most evil PC murderhobos would go for the former since it is easier.

Re: Player's Guide

I know there was an assumption that it would be available on our monthly street dates for products in time to make characters for the AP's launch...

Went ahead and fixed that for you. ;)

Re: Player's Guide

The Hell's Rebels Player's Guide will not be up for download today. I know there was an assumption that it would be available on our monthly street dates for products, and folks are really wanting to get their hands on it. Information about the Player's Guide and the Guide itself will be going up tomorrow afternoon (PST). We'll be posting everywhere and sending out a mailing when it becomes available!

Weird that people made an assumption based on explicit claims by Paizo employees.

Overreact much.

One day later then thought isn't so bad, it'll get here when it gets here.

Chris Lambertz wrote:

Re: Player's Guide

The Hell's Rebels Player's Guide will not be up for download today. I know there was an assumption that it would be available on our monthly street dates for products, and folks are really wanting to get their hands on it. Information about the Player's Guide and the Guide itself will be going up tomorrow afternoon (PST). We'll be posting everywhere and sending out a mailing when it becomes available!

Weird that people made an assumption based on explicit claims by Paizo employees.

Everything's still on track for February 24th.

I wouldn't exactly say hopeful = explicit.

Tammy can't avenge Wiggles this weekend anyway.

One day later then thought isn't so bad, it'll get here when it gets here.

Wholeheartedly agree. I'm just impatient because I haven't played Pathfinder since October and I'm really excited for this AP. lol

Re: Player's Guide

The Hell's Rebels Player's Guide will not be up for download today. I know there was an assumption that it would be available on our monthly street dates for products, and folks are really wanting to get their hands on it. Information about the Player's Guide and the Guide itself will be going up tomorrow afternoon (PST). We'll be posting everywhere and sending out a mailing when it becomes available!

By "Hell's Rebels" do you mean the players guide for "Hell's Vengeance" really?

Chris Lambertz wrote:

Re: Player's Guide

The Hell's Rebels Player's Guide will not be up for download today. I know there was an assumption that it would be available on our monthly street dates for products, and folks are really wanting to get their hands on it. Information about the Player's Guide and the Guide itself will be going up tomorrow afternoon (PST). We'll be posting everywhere and sending out a mailing when it becomes available!

By "Hell's Rebels" do you mean the players guide for "Hell's Vengeance" really?

Yes, I did! My bad on the mixup, juggling a lot of hats today.

Is one of them a Top Hat.

Why not all a top hat?

Is one of them a Top Hat.

Awww... that trick never works.

Nothing up my sleeve....

Why not all a top hat?

It's a big office, with many eclectic personalities, seems like there would be a wide range of headgear to juggle.

Marcelus14 wrote:

Why not all a top hat?

It's a big office, with many eclectic personalities, seems like there would be a wide range of headgear to juggle.

Horned helmet, top hat, beanie, lacy bonnet, fedora, and fez at the very least, if my knowledge of that crew is accurate...

Don't forget several crowns, goggles, a mind control cap, latex gimp mask (someone wrote up Nocticula and Calistria and Arshea), and a beret.

Re: Player's Guide

I know there was an assumption that it would be available on our monthly street dates for products...

Assumption?

I don't think this can be considered an assumption.

Everything's still on track for February 24th.

So, would you have rather had them put it up yesterday. when they were live streaming, and kicking off a huge sale of digital downloads that bottlenecked their system, so you wouldn't have been able to download it anyway (and then gotten mad about that).

Or today.

I think we can all agree that (1) yes, it sucks that we were told one thing yet given another (however brief that will last), (2) we are all very excited to dive into this AP, and (3) that we have overall dealt with disappointment before but can accept that as a human enterprise there are bound to be set backs, errors, and mistaken timelines.

That stated, I don't believe the irritation comes from the lack of the player's guide, as much as the phrasing by Chris that implies the less than positive responses on when the Player's guide is going to be delayed until are a product of our own misconceptions, rather than an expectation set by another Paizo employee.

Than again, he did say on track, not dead set.
Edit: MY GRAMMER WAS/IS LACKING

I've been purposely trying not to read it as I plan to play in it, however while thumbing through it to get a gist of what an evil adventure is exactly I happened upon the Court of Spears.

As someone that once had to spend a week digging out by hand due to their proximity to gas lines, 4 trees that were all part of the same clonal root system (which I didn't know when I started) I thank you Wes, well done! I would hug you if I could.

Well, with the download issues.. it won't quite matter if it is even released today. I can't download Blood of Shadows or The Hellfire Compact after buying them yesterday... if the Guide does drop today, many people probably won't be able to download it.

No complaint there, just an observation.

Overreact much.

One day later then thought isn't so bad, it'll get here when it gets here.

I'm not bothered by the delay at all. Just pointing out that there was no assumption made about the release date. Adam said the 24th. No one assumed that would be the release date. It was pretty explicit.

Delays happen. No big deal. That comment bothered me though. *shrug*

I'm not bothered by the delay at all. Just pointing out that there was no assumption made about the release date. Adam said the 24th. No one assumed that would be the release date. It was pretty explicit.

Delays happen. No big deal. That comment bothered me though. *shrug*

But again, it's not. "On track" is the same as "it should", which IS in fact an assumption.

Laruuk wrote:

I'm not bothered by the delay at all. Just pointing out that there was no assumption made about the release date. Adam said the 24th. No one assumed that would be the release date. It was pretty explicit.

Delays happen. No big deal. That comment bothered me though. *shrug*

But again, it's not. "On track" is the same as "it should", which IS in fact an assumption.

This is all pedantic. An assumption was made, yes. The assumption was a reasonable one though, based on the information that was made available.

That said, I see the players' guide isn't out yet so... time to move on and try again later.

D'oh. Folks, I apologize if my post came off negatively or condescending in any way. I'm checking in on the Player Guide's status as well as managing queries about our general downloads issues at the moment. Please excuse our dust as we try to turn this ship the right way up :)

Thanks for the updates! I'm sure everyone's having a grand time managing the massive influx of Humble Bundlers.

D'oh. Folks, I apologize if my post came off negatively or condescending in any way. I'm checking in on the Player Guide's status as well as managing queries about our general downloads issues at the moment. Please excuse our dust as we try to turn this ship the right way up :)

You folks successfully distracted me with a shiny Humble Bundle deal, so don't worry. (Got one for a friend too!)

I totally jumped on the Humble Bundle too; great cause, amazing value! But since it is pretty much just giving me pdfs of the books I have, I'm going to hold off on downloading any of those pdfs until traffic has somewhat normalized.

Regarding the much anticipated Hell's Vengeance player guide, however, I cannot make the same commitment. :)

"still on track" is definitely not a promise of any kind. It's a projection, an estimate for when the guide will be available. It's reprehensible that some people are trying to retcon it into some kind of a promise. Obviously, something went "off track" between the post and now -- there was NO promise that the date was rock solid without any wiggle room for circumstances.

Besides which, downloads won't work for a few days anyhow so it wouldn't make an iota of difference if it was out on the 24th or not. Go do something else for a few days, take a walk in the park, treat your partner to something nice, do that Windows reinstall you've been putting off, organize the attic, everyone has a bunch of things they've been putting off -- go distract yourself for a few days and wait for things to settle down. The paizo site isn't the entire world.

"still on track" is definitely not a promise of any kind. It's a projection, an estimate for when the guide will be available. It's reprehensible that some people are trying to retcon it into some kind of a promise. Obviously, something went "off track" between the post and now -- there was NO promise that the date was rock solid without any wiggle room for circumstances.

Besides which, downloads won't work for a few days anyhow so it wouldn't make an iota of difference if it was out on the 24th or not.

It does leave room for something to change, the problem many are feeling is that we weren't notified until the 24th that there had been a change. Had the informed us noon on the 23rd reactions would have been different. Instead we heard the change on the day of. That's a problem when it was already postponed from earlier in the month.

This was originally supposed to go out around the time the mailing to subscribers happened. It was not ready, and most were fine with this. We were then told multiple times the 24th. And with no word of changes or problems On track is a very leading statement if not really a promise. And again we weren't given word till the last minute.

I get Paizo doesn't want to disappoint, and doesn't want to say something until they're sure there is a delay, but finding out at the last minute isn't good either. You have to manage expectations, especially since some have already been waiting for weeks. I now have the physical copy of the first adventure, but have put of making characters with my players for the book. My campaign, and the interconnected Hell's Rebels game my group is also doing, are now being held up. I get problem happen, and I'm not mad, but it is inconvenient.

And finally "you couldn't download it anyways" is a bull crap excuse. Especially for something already weeks late. We were told the 24th, multiple times, and given no notice of delays until the day of. Weather or not we can download it is irrelevant, and another problem Paizo needs to look at. Again I get unexpected things happen, but when we express our dissatisfaction with how it's handled it's good feed back for them. And making excuses and such isn't.

Besides which, downloads won't work for a few days anyhow so it wouldn't make an iota of difference if it was out on the 24th or not.

Is that the biblical iota to which you refer?

Rather an ironic way of pointing out that clearly lots of things can be changed, despite assurances that "not one iota" of them shall be, right?

You don't think that's a bit of an overreaction? It's free you know, they don't have to release it. And you don't need it to make your character, I already have mine made, see, all she's waiting for, is a campaign trait, that's all, I could play it tonight if I wanted to, they aren't delaying you, you're delaying yourself.

Entitlement for free stuff is the best kind of entitlement.

Samy wrote:

Besides which, downloads won't work for a few days anyhow so it wouldn't make an iota of difference if it was out on the 24th or not.

Is that the biblical iota to which you refer?

Rather an ironic way of pointing out that clearly lots of things can be changed, despite assurances that "not one iota" of them shall be, right?

I have no idea what you're talking about. I haven't read the Bible, I'm just going by the dictionary definition:

2. an extremely small amount.
"nothing she said seemed to make an iota of difference"

I have no idea what you're talking about. I haven't read the Bible, I'm just going by the dictionary definition:

2. an extremely small amount.
"nothing she said seemed to make an iota of difference"

Yes, the etymology for that usage in English comes from Matthew 5:18.

Iota

You're evil, it's a small town, rebellion is in the air.

Work together, and don't kill each other.

That wasn't so hard, and it's all you need to know.

You don't think that's a bit of an overreaction? It's free you know, they don't have to release it. And you don't need it to make your character, I already have mine made, see, all she's waiting for, I'd a campaign trait, that's all, I could play it tonight if I wanted to, they aren't delaying you, you're delaying yourself.

I'm assuming this is directed at me?

Yes it's free, but it's something we were told we would have access too. This is off subject, but I would be willing to pay for the player's guides considering how good they usually are. And the campaign traits, as well as the world information and some of the tips for playing evil characters that is going to be in this one, really help develop characters. This is especially helpful considering most of my group is playing pathfinder (and experiencing the world of Golarion) for the first time. Helping to make them belong as part of a campaign that I haven't built myself is important, and yes I'm choosing to wait for that. But I'm choosing to wait on something I was told I would have access too.

I'm not mad, I want to make that clear. At least not that it got delayed again. I'm mad we weren't informed prior to the day of release. I understand stuff happens, and that this humble bundle thing is causing unexpected problems. And yeah the free thing takes backseat to charity/things that make money. THat's business and makes sense. But communication would have been nice.

Yes, the etymology for that usage in English comes from Matthew 5:18.

That is cool info. Thank you!

I paid for the Legacy of Fire Players Guide, but I suspect they view those as a loss leader these days.

Update: I know it's getting later in the day, but I wanted to drop in to confirm that for an absolute certainty I am getting this guide posted tonight before I leave.

Yay! Here's hopin'!

Thank you very much for the effort

Thanks for the update!

Update: I know it's getting later in the day, but I wanted to drop in to confirm that for an absolute certainty I am getting this guide posted tonight before I leave.

And it's up! I know it's frustrating that downloading is shaky right now. As a heads up, the blog accompanying the Player's Guide will be up soon, and I'm going to grab a couple art pieces for y'all to get sneak peek of :)

Thank you very much!

Thanks so much, can't wait for it to download! Your work is very appreciated!