Garrett Guillotte |
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Cthulhudrew wrote:"Recruit teams of criminals" sounds very cool. I wonder if that will mesh with some of Ultimate Campaigns' Downtime Systems (notably Team and Organization building).It's designed to only work with that system. :)
great, now I have to recruit teams of criminals to get me this book sooner, thanks Owen
Berselius |
Berselius, are you aware of Everyman Gamings Leadership Handbook? Might be worth a look.
Normally it would but the GM that runs our group's adventure paths / modules / campaigns is RENOWNED in our area for not allowing 3rd party material for the rpg games he allows.
I'm really just hoping to high holy heaven that this manual includes SOME KIND OF FEAT that ALLOWS you to gain a COMPANION (aka sort of an upgraded cohort) that you can tailor to your specific needs (aka race, gender, levels [heroic levels allowed], feats, etc etc]).
The Leadership feat to me is quite simply too much of an utter pain to keep track of / manage and not every adventurer wants to have an army at his / hers disposal (especially when your dealing with campaigns that don't involve mass combat situations).
Diekssus |
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The Leadership feat to me is quite simply too much of an utter pain to keep track of / manage and not every adventurer wants to have an army at his / hers disposal (especially when your dealing with campaigns that don't involve mass combat situations).
I'd blame your GM for that, I cannot count the times when I've just used my followers as informant networks or as employees for our groups mansion. The leadership feat doesn't say you have to babysit every aspect, so why would your GM make you do it if you don't want to?
In any event, I'm really looking forward to this, I love playing classes that have interesting interactions with the leadership feat. like the low Templar and the noble scion. I have a new skull and shackles game coming up. And I know the "captain" wants to take the feat. Hopefully he can get some good options out of this.
Irnk, Dead-Eye's Prodigal |
This is a very important question that needs to be asked. Will this finally allow all of the classes to get an animal companion? Namely a bard. Animal Archive gave a few out to a couple of the classes, but others like bard and such were left to be solitary defenders once more.
If you haven't checked it out, Faiths & Philosophies does, in fact, make it possible for a member of any class to pick up an AC. You just have to follow the Green Faith.
kevin_video |
kevin_video wrote:This is a very important question that needs to be asked. Will this finally allow all of the classes to get an animal companion? Namely a bard. Animal Archive gave a few out to a couple of the classes, but others like bard and such were left to be solitary defenders once more.If you haven't checked it out, Faiths & Philosophies does, in fact, make it possible for a member of any class to pick up an AC. You just have to follow the Green Faith.
I'm guessing you're referring to the Animal Ally feat. I need one specific for granting bears.
Liz Courts Community Manager |
Skaeren |
Skaeren wrote:It is fairly cruel to make those of us who want digital copies only wait 1 to 2 weeks to be able to buy digital copies.Paizo's existence is kind of contingent on making sure those print copies get bought.
Only because they base their work on what is becoming an increasingly outdated business model. Besides, they make more money from the likes of their board games, miniature packs and so on than the books, now, anyway.
Besides, Onyx Path has demonstrated that with the primary sale method being pdf, and print on demand being a secondary sale, you can be more than successful. I suspect Paizo's books, when bought online, are print on demand anyway, considering the length of time it takes them to 'leave the warehouse'.
Gorbacz |
Besides, they make more money from the likes of their board games, miniature packs and so on than the books, now, anyway.
You have Paizo's sales data? Wow, that's something people were asking about for ages. Care to share? Give us any numbers?
Only because they base their work on what is becoming an increasingly outdated business model.
It won't be outdated as long as brick and mortar stores exist and function as social hubs for gamers. As long as that is the case, companies who want to be something more than a tiny print-on-demand outlet which has 10 permanent staff (like, erm, Onyx Path) need to mind the whims of LGS owners. And those are easily made angry by direct sales, early PDFs and anything that drives the sale away from their store.
Onyx Path decided to damn the torpedoes and ignore the physical outlets altogether - but their size and ambitions are a whole different ball game from Paizo. Also, they really don't have to mind WotC because they're in different league.
Liz Courts Community Manager |
I suspect Paizo's books, when bought online, are print on demand anyway, considering the length of time it takes them to 'leave the warehouse'.
You would be incorrect.
The release date of the digital version is set to the retail release date for brick and mortar stores. Having our books available at the local gaming store is very, very important, and releasing the digital version before that does not work with our goal of maintaining good relationships with retailers.The PDF is not going anywhere—in fact, it will likely be around longer than the print version, as we typically do not reprint Player Companions. If you want early access to the PDF, it is a subscription benefit to receive it for free when the print copy ships.
Kajehase |
So, when are we getting dragon riders? I realize that could be a book all on its own, so I'm not expecting it here, but it's something I've been wanting since day 1.
Probably once we get a detailed look at Triaxus would be the best time. Unless the RPG line people does something.
Luthorne |
Well, if you're willing to share, since my copy hasn't shipped yet, what I'm most curious about is...
How does using a magical beast as an animal companion work?
How does using a magic item as a cohort work?
What's the construct rider alchemist archetype like?
What are the new campaign-focused rules for recruiting teams of criminals and all the rest like?
shadowkras |
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How does using a magical beast as an animal companion work?
Basically the beast begins using your effective druid level - 3, and ends with effective level - 6 by level 20.
Druid 7 - beast 4
Druid 10 - beast 6
Druid 12 - beast 7 and so on until 20
Druid 20 - beast 12.
You get a new feat that allows using magical beasts as companion, which requires: Handle Animal 7 ranks, a class feature that works like animal companions (so works for rangers, cavaliers and paladins aswell) with an effective druid level of at least 7 (ie: you would have to be a ranger 10 to take it without boon companion).
Plus, you cannot take this feat and leadership, it counts as having leadership. It also explains on which level it gets the animal companion special quirks:
1 - share spells, link
3 - evasion
6 - devotion
If your companion normally isnt allowed one of these abilities, your beast companion also wont get it. And it wont get anything not listed there.
As for a list of suitable monsters:
Hippocampus 5th
Hippogriff 6th
Worg, winter wolf 9th
Girallon 10th
Sphinx, hieracosphinx 11th
Sphinx, criophinx 13th
Sphinx, gynosphinx 14th
In addition to those with no level requeriment:
ahuizotl, aranea, blink dog, dragon horse, dragonne, giant eagle, giant owl, giant vulture, griffon, kirin, leucrotta, manticore, pegasus, sea cat, shedu, sleipnir, worg, or xanthos
Other than that, most of the other creatures are simply given with their required level to be a suitable leadership companion.
You could even get a huecuva or latern archon as cohort.
I did see pseudodragon, but no fairy dragon, so a certain person i know will surely be upset.
brad2411 |
What are all the archetypes, feats and spells
Feats (Teamwork - Basic Harmony, Compelling Harmonies, Counterpoint to Inspiration, Secret Language), Blazing Channel, Channel Surge, Charming Performance, Charnel Soldiers, Grow Plant Creature, Rouse Emotions, Monstrous Companion, Recruits, Solar Spell, Train Plants.
Spells Daywalker, Pant voice, Spore Burst,
brad2411 |
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Well, if you're willing to share, since my copy hasn't shipped yet, what I'm most curious about is...
How does using a magical beast as an animal companion work?
How does using a magic item as a cohort work?
What's the construct rider alchemist archetype like?
What are the new campaign-focused rules for recruiting teams of criminals and all the rest like?
Not going to be able to answer all of these as I have not gotten that deep into it. But
Intelligent items can be made cohorts with the leadership feat and they are close to the legendary items from mythic adventures. For every level after 7th you get to add an item advancement to the item (Called, Empathic, Indestructible, Perfect) each advancement can be taken 5x.
Construct rider is an alchemist that has a construct mount that acts much like an animal companion. He can't use mutagen or any ability like that even if it comes from another class. There is a pretty cool ability that lets you put a bomb in the mounts mouth and then he can use it as a breath weapon.
I have not yet looked into recruiting people part.
Eric Hinkle |
Quote:How does using a magical beast as an animal companion work?Basically the beast begins using your effective druid level - 3, and ends with effective level - 6 by level 20.
** spoiler omitted **
That seems like an odd arrangement with those level numbers (start out at -3 and end up at -6?), but a lot of fans will be delighted with it. Heck, the information on winter wolf and worg cohorts will please me.
Other than that, most of the other creatures are simply given with their required level to be a suitable leadership companion.
You could even get a huecuva or lantern archon as cohort.
Okay, I gotta ask, what the heck would you need a huecuva cohort for? They seem to be one step above zombies to go by the bestiary entry.
Still, someone will love it!
Owen K. C. Stephens Developer |
coyote6 |
The Monstrous Companion feat has confused me. If I am a druid, I can have an animal companion as normal, then take Leadership at 7th level, and get a cohort whose type is up to me and the GM (it can totally be a magical beast), and whose level will be as high as my total level-2.
Monostrous Companion allows me to take a magical beast as companion instead of an animal, and is not compatible with Leadership. In effect, it replaces both the cohort and the animal companion (and the followers!) with one magical beast. Except the maximum effective level of that magical beast starts out at druid level -3, and ends at druid level-8 - so it's got fewer levels than a cohort (character level-6 to -3) and fewer HD than an animal companion (16 HD at level 20), despite somehow being a replacement for both. Worse, it only gets animal companion abilities if its base effective level is low enough to allow it to take levels.
So a 20th level druid that wants a unicorn for an animal companion can have a unicorn with 4 levels of ranger, and only link, share spells, and evasion animal companion abilities. That's 8 whole hit dice of companion, at 20th level. If the same druid took leadership, his unicorn pal could have 6-9 levels of ranger, for 10-13 HD total. His animal companion would have 16 HD.
This seems like a terrible deal - it's not just worse than taking Leadership to get a magical beast cohort, it's in many ways worse than just having a regular animal companion. Combining a feat with animal companion shouldn't give worse results than just the feat or just the animal companion.
Am I missing something? Are the effective cohort levels supposed to be in addition to animal companion stuff?
filgaiasguardian |
The Monstrous Companion feat has confused me. If I am a druid, I can have an animal companion as normal, then take Leadership at 7th level, and get a cohort whose type is up to me and the GM (it can totally be a magical beast), and whose level will be as high as my total level-2.
Monostrous Companion allows me to take a magical beast as companion instead of an animal, and is not compatible with Leadership. In effect, it replaces both the cohort and the animal companion (and the followers!) with one magical beast. Except the maximum effective level of that magical beast starts out at druid level -3, and ends at druid level-8 - so it's got fewer levels than a cohort (character level-6 to -3) and fewer HD than an animal companion (16 HD at level 20), despite somehow being a replacement for both. Worse, it only gets animal companion abilities if its base effective level is low enough to allow it to take levels.
So a 20th level druid that wants a unicorn for an animal companion can have a unicorn with 4 levels of ranger, and only link, share spells, and evasion animal companion abilities. That's 8 whole hit dice of companion, at 20th level. If the same druid took leadership, his unicorn pal could have 6-9 levels of ranger, for 10-13 HD total. His animal companion would have 16 HD.
This seems like a terrible deal - it's not just worse than taking Leadership to get a magical beast cohort, it's in many ways worse than just having a regular animal companion. Combining a feat with animal companion shouldn't give worse results than just the feat or just the animal companion.
Am I missing something? Are the effective cohort levels supposed to be in addition to animal companion stuff?
I too am extremely disappointed with this feat. If it's even allowed in PFS (I doubt it), the only cohorts I've seen that are low enough to have at 12th level or below are blink dogs, worgs, hippocampi, hippogryphs or pegasi. Most of those you can get through Monstrous Mount and are better than the Monstrous Companion version in every way. In fact, the only thing this feat has over Monstrous Mount is the less restrictive requirements to take it. This is really saying something considering how generally terrible the Monstrous Mount chain is.
On a different subject, Summoners got two new eidolon base forms: avian and tauric. The avian one is something I've wanted for a long time, but there's no information on how it fits in with the unchained summoner, so unfortunately these options might not be available to PFS summoners either. ::sigh::
Owen K. C. Stephens Developer |
Nate Z |
Certain Barbarian, Bloodrager, and Warpriest archetypes get Animal Companions.
When I read this post, I thought you meant all in this book and got super-excited. Then looking through my pdf, I realize you never specified where. Ah well. Silly me. ;)
That said, based on my first go through of the pdf (only reading the arcehtypes and a few other bits), I'm loving this book so far. I love the idea of having a sidekick (followers, not so much), so all the options to get one make me smile. :)
Barachiel Shina |
So a 20th level druid that wants a unicorn for an animal companion can have a unicorn with 4 levels of ranger, and only link, share spells, and evasion animal companion abilities. That's 8 whole hit dice of companion, at 20th level. If the same druid took leadership, his unicorn pal could have 6-9 levels of ranger, for 10-13 HD total. His animal companion would have 16 HD.This seems like a terrible deal - it's not just worse than taking Leadership to get a magical beast cohort, it's in many ways worse than just having a regular animal companion. Combining a feat with animal companion shouldn't give worse results than just the feat or just the animal companion.
Am I missing something? Are the effective cohort levels supposed to be in addition to animal companion stuff?
That could be where you are wrong. I don't believe animal companions are allowed to take class levels. Which means neither should Monstrous Companions.
So Monstrous Companion will get you the Unicorn that increases via like an animal companion.
And Leadership gets you a unicorn you can advance via class levels.
Unless I am mistaken, I do not have the details of the book so maybe intelligent magical beasts that are companions are allowed to take class levels...?
Kalindlara Contributor |
brad2411 wrote:I was afraid that the bard would get shafted yet again. >_<xavier c wrote:What are all the archetypes, feats and spells** spoiler omitted **
You're the Bear guy, right?
Have you considered the Druid variant multiclass? It's a slow build, and not available everywhere, but it's an option. ^_^
filgaiasguardian |
That could be where you are wrong. I don't believe animal companions are allowed to take class levels. Which means neither should Monstrous Companions.
So Monstrous Companion will get you the Unicorn that increases via like an animal companion.
And Leadership gets you a unicorn you can advance via class levels.
Unless I am mistaken, I do not have the details of the book so maybe intelligent magical beasts that are companions are allowed to take class levels...?
That is incorrect. When you take Monstrous Companion, you no longer have an animal companion. You have a magical beast cohort with stats straight from the bestiary and progresses via class levels. It does not progress as an animal companion and only gets the share spells, devotion, etc. abilities if they gain enough class levels. They get no bonus strength or dex, natural armor, tricks, nada. Although I'm thinking since it's not an AC and most of these cohorts have high intelligence that you don't need to use handle animal/tricks anyway. So that's a perk.
filgaiasguardian |
I was afraid that the bard would get shafted yet again. >_<
I wouldn't say shafted! They did get some interesting teamwork feats that boost their performances. Unfortunately, in my quick look through I didn't see any ursine-like cohorts available, much less ones that can sing and dance. =(
kevin_video |
kevin_video wrote:brad2411 wrote:I was afraid that the bard would get shafted yet again. >_<xavier c wrote:What are all the archetypes, feats and spells** spoiler omitted **You're the Bear guy, right?
Have you considered the Druid variant multiclass? It's a slow build, and not available everywhere, but it's an option. ^_^
Too high of level in PFS for it to be viable. I would have happily retrained to be an archetype that'd let me keep the bear.
I wouldn't say shafted! They did get some interesting teamwork feats that boost their performances. Unfortunately, in my quick look through I didn't see any ursine-like cohorts available, much less ones that can sing and dance. =(
Not needing it to sing and dance. Just wanting the animal companion so I can make use of the PFS boon.
filgaiasguardian |
1)What is the Bonded Wizard and what does it get?
The bonded wizard must take the item option for arcane bond. The item gains hardness and hit points as the wizard levels. They get the ability to alter the type (weapon, ring, amulet, etc.) and aura of the bonded item. They get a pool of "force points" that they can spend to duplicate the effects of mage armor, shield and spiritual weapon. They also get the ability to repair damage to their bonded item.
What is the Divine Guardian and what does it get?
Divine Guardian does not gain divine spellcasting. They can designate one person per day to be their Divine Troth. Detect evil is replaced by locate creature that tells you where your DT is. The paladin can use lay on hands on himself or the DT as a move action and can take hits for the DT. Finally, they get a few bonus feats from a list.