Alexander Augunas Contributor |
I know we are talking about Arcanist, but since we talking about bloodline, I would like to talk about bloodrager. Sorry.
I found the bloodline for bloodrager are a bit unbalance. Arcane, Aberrant and Destined are the best bloodline for bloodrager. I think if Paizo allow other lesser bloodline to have some of their bloodline power active even when they are not bloodraging, it would really fix it. Like some bloodline are really powerful when bloodraging, but can't do much when not bloodraging. While some bloodline are not that great, but offer a little bit support outside of bloodrage.
I'm surprised that Fey bloodline isn't on this list.
Grab a falchion and make it keen for nearly a 30% chance per swing to confuse your target. Its REALLY good.
Kendrick Buckley |
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I have to wonder about the design reasoning behind making the swashbuckler have a poor Fortitude save when both its parent classes (fighter and gunslinger) have the good Fortitude save progression. It leaves a gaping hole in the defenses they really need in their role on the front line, and I don't see any reason why it would be a balance concern - they're not so ungodly powerful that they need to fall over dead the first time a necromancer looks their direction just to make up for it.
kevin_video |
I have to wonder about the design reasoning behind making the swashbuckler have a poor Fortitude save when both its parent classes (fighter and gunslinger) have the good Fortitude save progression. It leaves a gaping hole in the defenses they really need in their role on the front line, and I don't see any reason why it would be a balance concern - they're not so ungodly powerful that they need to fall over dead the first time a necromancer looks their direction just to make up for it.
Agreed. I thought for sure that they'd have a poor Will save. Just trying to figure how they justify it.
Kendrick Buckley |
Kendrick Buckley wrote:I have to wonder about the design reasoning behind making the swashbuckler have a poor Fortitude save when both its parent classes (fighter and gunslinger) have the good Fortitude save progression. It leaves a gaping hole in the defenses they really need in their role on the front line, and I don't see any reason why it would be a balance concern - they're not so ungodly powerful that they need to fall over dead the first time a necromancer looks their direction just to make up for it.Agreed. I thought for sure that they'd have a poor Will save. Just trying to figure how they justify it.
Well, they do have a poor Will save. The swashbuckler has the rogue's save progression, when the only good save both parent classes have in common is Fortitude. It's so bad that when I decided to build a swashbuckler Society character (this guy I'm posting as right now) I burned a trait on Resilient just to try and make up for it.
KirbyEF |
You know, I never noticed that before but they do not have the starting ages for the various races for each new hybrid class.
A minor oversight, but could be annoying for those who use these rules.
EDIT: None of the classes outside of the Core Rulebook seem to have them, so best to just assign each class to one of the three age categories based on the amount of training baked into the class concept.
My suggestions:
Arcanist: As Bard
Bloodrager: As Barbarian
Brawler: As Fighter
Hunter: As Ranger
Investigator: As Bard
Shaman: As Druid
Skald: As Bard
Slayer: As Ranger
Swashbuckler: As Fighter
Warpriest: As Cleric
Liz what is the official starting ages?
Ashram |
Feros wrote:Liz what is the official starting ages?You know, I never noticed that before but they do not have the starting ages for the various races for each new hybrid class.
A minor oversight, but could be annoying for those who use these rules.
EDIT: None of the classes outside of the Core Rulebook seem to have them, so best to just assign each class to one of the three age categories based on the amount of training baked into the class concept.
My suggestions:
Arcanist: As Bard
Bloodrager: As Barbarian
Brawler: As Fighter
Hunter: As Ranger
Investigator: As Bard
Shaman: As Druid
Skald: As Bard
Slayer: As Ranger
Swashbuckler: As Fighter
Warpriest: As Cleric
I personally think he's right, except for a few. Here's my personal take:
Arcanist: Trained
Bloodrager: Intuitive
Brawler: Self-taught
Hunter: Trained
Investigator: Trained
Shaman: Intuitive
Skald: Self-taught
Slayer: Self-taught
Swashbuckler: Self-taught
Warpriest: Trained
Also Feros, the classes in the APG, Ultimate Magic, and Ultimate Combat do have starting ages. Look in the Advanced Race Guide.
Feros |
What is the page count for Pathfinder Roleplaying Game: Advanced Class Guide (OGL)
256. Take a look at the description above. The page count is right below the ISBN number.
Gorbacz |
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They should consider an "Errata Department" or something. If you plan on being a top TTRPG producer the least you can do is make sure products are of the best quality. And fixes are done ASAP.
Apparently, whatever there was to be considered has been considered and implemented, given that Unchained has pretty much none of the issues ACG had.
Joe M. |
The last I heard (based on something Mark posted) was that it will be available no later than GenCon. 1 year from release to 2nd printing is pretty good for Paizo, especially given the 3 years it took Ultimate Combat to get some :)
I can say with authority and certainty that it will not be a full year from the book's publication.
So there you have it. A window.
Some time between the end of PaizoCon and the beginning of Gen Con.
For sure.
Doesn't get more official than that. GenCon begins July 30th.
Marc Radle |
Has it been officially clarified if the second printing (which would reflect all of the errata/fixes) will happen when the errata document is released?
I don't know if there's ever been 100% clarity on that. For instance, is Erik referring specifically to the long-awaited errata document only -OR- is he talking about both the errata document and the second printing of the book?
Imbicatus |
Barachiel Shina wrote:They should consider an "Errata Department" or something. If you plan on being a top TTRPG producer the least you can do is make sure products are of the best quality. And fixes are done ASAP.Apparently, whatever there was to be considered has been considered and implemented, given that Unchained has pretty much none of the issues ACG had.
Yes, but it's not a Gen Con release, which tend to be rushed. We'll have to see what the quality of Occult Adventures is at release.
Mark Seifter Designer |
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Gorbacz wrote:Yes, but it's not a Gen Con release, which tend to be rushed. We'll have to see what the quality of Occult Adventures is at release.Barachiel Shina wrote:They should consider an "Errata Department" or something. If you plan on being a top TTRPG producer the least you can do is make sure products are of the best quality. And fixes are done ASAP.Apparently, whatever there was to be considered has been considered and implemented, given that Unchained has pretty much none of the issues ACG had.
There is a Gencon rush at Paizo, but it's not for the Pathfinder RPG line book (or at least not this year) since that's finished way before everything else. I know that the idea that Gencon leads to more errors is widespread, but I think that it is measuring a true correlation that is caused by a different reason (like the statistic that increased ice cream sales coincide with increased crime, but it's actually because when it's hotter, both of those go up).
Honestly, having been the one to look at errata for every book but one since I got here, I've found the following:
The fall books (Bestiaries and the like) have the most errors, but understandably so since they're all very finicky math-heavy statblocks. Most people don't mind because they either don't notice or just don't care if a Blarblepus has a Swim that's 1 too high; the most caring occurs when players attempt to use a broken feature (one that either doesn't work, is too weak, or is too strong).
There seems to be no appreciable difference in errors between spring and summer releases, but there are often fewer errors if there's less rules text, which sometimes happens in releases like Gamemastery Guide and Ultimate Campaign. But, for instance, Ultimate Magic was a spring release, and it had around the same number of errors as Ultimate Combat, a summer release. It's just that the books that have the types of errors that matter most tend to be summer releases (except UM and ARG).
That said, ACG did have a lot of errors, and Unchained did have fewer as far as I can tell. And a lot of that is from some really hard work on both the design and editing teams. But definitely check Occult as well and see how we did; not because it's a summer book as much as because it's a book with a lot of player options. I think and hope you'll find we did a great job there too!
Imbicatus |
There is a Gencon rush at Paizo, but it's not for the Pathfinder RPG line book (or at least not this year) since that's finished way before everything else. I know that the idea that Gencon leads to more errors is widespread, but I think that it is measuring a true correlation that is caused by a different reason (like the statistic that increased ice cream sales coincide with increased crime, but it's actually because when it's hotter, both of those go up).
Honestly, having been the one to look at errata for every book but one since I got here, I've found the following:
The fall books (Bestiaries and the like) have the most errors, but understandably so since they're all very finicky math-heavy statblocks. Most people don't mind because they either don't notice or just don't care if a Blarblepus has a Swim that's 1 too high; the most caring occurs when players attempt to use a broken feature (one that either doesn't work, is too weak, or is too strong).
There seems to be no appreciable difference in errors between spring and summer releases, but there are often fewer errors if there's less rules text, which sometimes happens in releases like Gamemastery Guide and Ultimate Campaign. But, for instance, Ultimate Magic was a spring release, and it had around the same number of errors as Ultimate Combat, a summer release. It's just that the books that have the types of errors that matter most tend to be summer releases (except UM and ARG).
That said, ACG did have a lot of errors, and Unchained did have fewer as far as I can tell. And a lot of that is from some really hard work on both the design and editing teams. But definitely check Occult as well and see how we did; not because it's a summer book as much as because it's a book with a lot of player options. I think and hope you'll find we did a great job there too!
Thank you for the kind reply to my somewhat snippy comment. I know there were a lot of errors in both the ACG and Ultimate Combat, but the trend for the past years releases has been less errors in the books. I really appreciate the quality in the Monster Codex and Pathfinder Unchained. I am eagerly awaiting Occult Adventures, and I honestly don't expect as many errors there, partially because of your level of communication throughout the playtest and after.
Hungry Blarblepus |
Mark Seifter wrote:Most people don't mind because they either don't notice or just don't care if a Blarblepus has a Swim that's 1 too highDammit! I knew that thing was under-CR'd. I've lost more characters than I can count to Blarblepuses, and now at last I know why!
No, no, no. Mark Seifter doesn't know what he is talking about. We aren't fast swimmers under the best of conditions, and I happen to have an injured fin right now. You should come in for a swim. The water is really nice tonight.
Gisher |
So we were told that the errata'd second printing would be available sometime in the next week or so. I've never paid much attention to the updates before, but I'm very excited for this one. I'm wondering how this works. Do the pdf's just quietly show up in our downloads, or will there be some sort of announcement on the blog? If there is an announcement would it be posted as the release happens or in advance?
I can't figure out if I'm more excited for this or for Occult Adventures! Getting both within a week is going to be amazing!
Alexander Augunas Contributor |
magnuskn |
Yeah, my train of thought went in the direction of "Vroom vroom, here comes the nerf bus".
Which in the case of Divine Protection is a good thing, mind you.
Although I looked only at a few things (Arcanist and Swashbuckler changes, the Hunter pet using Skirmisher tricks), so my impression may be slanted. The Inspired Blade archetype for the Swashbuckler got a pretty substantial buff (threat range of Rapiers buffed to 14-20).
Kalindlara Contributor |
Marc Radle |
Given how many people have been waiting, I am a bit surprised they did such a stealth release of the errata document. I really thought there would have been a big blog post announcing it. Actually, didn't someone (Erik Mona maybe) say they would do exactly that?
Question for the Paizo folks - I've been waiting to buy the book until all the problems were addressed and fixed, so it looks like it's time to buy the book! :)
The question is, how do I insure that I get a second printing (which has all this errata incorporated, yes?)
Also, now that I think about it ... does this mean the APG section of the PRD has been updated to reflect all this errata?
DM Beckett |
Yeah, my train of thought went in the direction of "Vroom vroom, here comes the nerf bus".
Which in the case of Divine Protection is a good thing, mind you.
Debatable. Divine Protection was actually a pretty good option for just about everyone that could qualify for it, but not terribly broken except for in one case. The Oracle was the only real exception, in which case it basically sky-rocked to stupidly amazing.
The new form is now pretty "meh". Something I'd probably only take with an Oracle now, and feels like it completely misses the point of existing. Wish they would have just made it where Oracles couldn't take it.
graywulfe |
Given how many people have been waiting, I am a bit surprised they did such a stealth release of the errata document. I really thought there would have been a big blog post announcing it. Actually, didn't someone (Erik Mona maybe) say they would do exactly that?
Question for the Paizo folks - I've been waiting to buy the book until all the problems were addressed and fixed, so it looks like it's time to buy the book! :)
The question is, how do I insure that I get a second printing (which has all this errata incorporated, yes?)
Also, now that I think about it ... does this mean the APG section of the PRD has been updated to reflect all this errata?
From what I saw when I checked the PRD is still not updated so maybe that was what they were waiting for the announcement for.
Joe M. |
Marc Radle wrote:From what I saw when I checked the PRD is still not updated so maybe that was what they were waiting for the announcement for.Given how many people have been waiting, I am a bit surprised they did such a stealth release of the errata document. I really thought there would have been a big blog post announcing it. Actually, didn't someone (Erik Mona maybe) say they would do exactly that?
Question for the Paizo folks - I've been waiting to buy the book until all the problems were addressed and fixed, so it looks like it's time to buy the book! :)
The question is, how do I insure that I get a second printing (which has all this errata incorporated, yes?)
Also, now that I think about it ... does this mean the APG section of the PRD has been updated to reflect all this errata?
1) No PRD changes yet (likely after Gen Con).
2) We're still selling the first print run of the book. We'll let you know when that changes, but it hasn't changed yet.
3) We'll likely make a blog post and discuss some of the changes once we're legitimately selling the second printing of the book.
Given the overwhelming desire/demand for errata for this book, I made sure that we posted the errata as soon as possible, not "when the new printing is on sale," as we normally do.
ZanThrax |
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Ashram wrote:No offense, someone desperately needs to do some proofreading on the errata document. Many entries are unbolded or lumped into other entries.The entries are sorted by page, not by mechanic.
Which I don't see the point of. Is it really that important to save pages of a pdf errata document that making it much harder to peruse is worthwhile?
edit: they're actually not all grouped by page. Right at the start, there's two separate p.13 entries for two different mechanics that are changed. Then they go ahead and group multiple changes together into single bullet points by page number after that.
DM Sothal |
If no one else has noticed, the errata document is posted.
where?
Edit: Okay, found it, here's a link to it.
magnuskn |
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slashing grace boosted then subsequently nerfed. oi
Oh, wow, didn't see that one. Hm, that is going to make a few players unhappy in my group, given how many characters with Slashing Grace and Two-Weapon Fighting are running around there. I'll probably have to house-rule it.
magnuskn |
Debatable. Divine Protection was actually a pretty good option for just about everyone that could qualify for it, but not terribly broken except for in one case. The Oracle was the only real exception, in which case it basically sky-rocked to stupidly amazing.The new form is now pretty "meh". Something I'd probably only take with an Oracle now, and feels like it completely misses the point of existing. Wish they would have just made it where Oracles couldn't take it.
I'm sorry, man, but if a feat can easily have the value of three feats (i.e. 14 CHA, Divine Grace vs. Great Fortitude, Lightning Reflexes and Iron Will) and is still easy to push to being even better than that, it is overpowered. I have no idea how it survived the first editing pass and got into print the way it was.
RainyDayNinja RPG Superstar 2014 Top 16, RPG Superstar 2013 Top 16 |
What was with the purge of Opportune Parry and Riposte? Who was asking for that?
Now my Paladin/Kata Master has to make a choice between eating the errata and losing his parrying schtick in favor of a deed he can't even use in his full plate, or switching that monk level to Swashbuckler to get Parry back, but losing those monk saves and Snake Style. Grr...
Alexander Augunas Contributor |
What was with the purge of Opportune Parry and Riposte? Who was asking for that?
Now my Paladin/Kata Master has to make a choice between eating the errata and losing his parrying schtick in favor of a deed he can't even use in his full plate, or switching that monk level to Swashbuckler to get Parry back, but losing those monk saves and Snake Style. Grr...
If I had to guess, original ACG swashbuckler had absolutely no unique mechanics because just about every class had an option to take its class-defining abilities.